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re: Printz vs Vandy

Posted on 10/20/14 at 8:26 am to
Posted by Remote Controlled
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Posted on 10/20/14 at 8:26 am to
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I am much more for starting MM and giving Printz a series in at least each quarter.


This should be happening even if Mauk is the second coming. We've seen how injuries can disrupt things.
Posted by semotruman
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Posted on 10/20/14 at 8:27 am to
As reedus said, I think Printz should at least get some reps and build experience. Pinkel used to have the backup play 1-2 series each game for this reason, like wih Daniel and Gabbert. Not sure what's changed.

And large scale problems are rarely the fault of one person. The receivers aren't able to get good separation, so Mauk is slowed down, and the OL can't give him all day. It's a cumulative effect, Mauk has a good share of the blame but isn't the only issue here. I wonder what Henson thinks about this?
Posted by JesusQuintana
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Posted on 10/20/14 at 8:48 am to
He only did that, I think, when he knew he was losing his starter the following year.
Posted by reedus23
St. Louis
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Posted on 10/20/14 at 8:49 am to
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And large scale problems are rarely the fault of one person. The receivers aren't able to get good separation, so Mauk is slowed down, and the OL can't give him all day. It's a cumulative effect, Mauk has a good share of the blame but isn't the only issue here. I wonder what Henson thinks about this?


The way I (a non-techie guy) explained to my brother (an IT manager) is that the problems with the OL and WR group are like the damn viruses one gets from watching porn that can be removed by simply running McAfee or whatever. Pain in the arse, screws things up for a bit, but easy enough to get back on track. MM is more like the damn virus one gets that fries the whole motherboard and you have to scrap the whole thing for a new one.

Not that I've actually had those problems myself. Just an analogy.
Posted by reedus23
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Posted on 10/20/14 at 8:52 am to
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He only did that, I think, when he knew he was losing his starter the following year.


It's probably saying the same thing, but I think he's only done that when he has an heir apparent, unless forced by injury. Chase was the heir apparent and played. Blaine was the heir apparent and played. Franklin was the heir apparent and played. Mauk was the heir apparent and played. I think his next heir apparent isn't Printz, but is Lock.
Posted by Mizzourah2006
Fayetteville, AR
Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 10/20/14 at 9:12 am to
Henson has been a huge contributing factor IMO. He needs to change WR routes. He seems to have 2 routes. Screens and flys. Florida corners were playing right on Mizzou receivers because there were no cuts. When they play like that you need to add in slants and outs. If you don't and have a struggling Mauk that may have confidence issues you get a QB that doesn't see any open receivers so he tucks it and runs.
Posted by Stlweir
St Louis
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Posted on 10/20/14 at 9:42 am to
When done in the past the starter was a senior so it made sense to give the heir apparent some PT. Mauk was not handed the job, he earned it. He is so messed up right now he had at least 2 delay of game penalties one of which cost him a TD pass. The offense is shooting itself in the foot with several procedure penalties per game as well. Mauk misses DGB.
Posted by reedus23
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Posted on 10/20/14 at 9:48 am to
Mauk was given the job before the spring. One can say that he earned it because of the playing time he got last year, but there was no competition for the #1 spot. It was announced, maybe even before camp if I remember correctly, that Mauk was the #1 QB.
Posted by semotruman
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 10/20/14 at 10:06 am to
This is puzzling. We heard so many good things about Printz, and now nothing. Has he regresses? Or are they just absolutely not changing anything unless forced to by injury? I know Pinkel is stubborn, but you would think he would at least give himself options...

And yes, Mauk had a chemistry with DGB that he doesn't with any other receiver. And that's on him.
Posted by Mizzou23
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Posted on 10/20/14 at 12:33 pm to
Ok I did not read all of this. But I want to voice my opinion on one thing. I do not know that Printz or Berk would 100% be better than Mauk. I just think it is time to find out. What I know of Printz is he is a natural thrower. He is not a football player like Mauk. He is a QB. He is a true QB. You can watch tape of him and see his mechanics and touch are superior to MM, Berk, and even Franklin. Would that show on the field? Can he read a defense? Is he ready? I don't know. But Mauk has played poorly enough to warrant finding out if there is someone else on the roster who is better.
Posted by hoff6383
St. Louis
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 10/20/14 at 1:43 pm to
Franklin struggles last year people are calling for MM to replace.

MM struggles and people are calling for Printz. At beginning of season people on this board were discussing MM as dark horse Heisman candidate.

Patience.

If anyone is going to replace MM it will be Lock in 1-2 years.

That being said, I'm okay with getting Printz a few reps as you want our backup prepared. I don't think it is prudent to call for Printz to replace MM when MM was clearly the better performer in the spring. Best case, you bring in Printz, he performs admirably and you have a QB until Lock is ready. The chance of 'best case' happening is slim when he was clearly not as good as MM in practices, Printz has no game experience and you would be throwing Printz in a starting role in the middle of your SEC schedule (granted, we do have Vandy next).

Worst case, you have a Florida situation where you destroy the confidence of your starter, your freshman QB is not ready to play and all of a sudden you are playing magic chairs with your qb's in the middle of conference play.

I'm as frustrated as anyone. If we had a 3rd of 4th year version of Franklin, Gabbert, or Daniel this team would have a top 10 ranking with the way the defense is playing. Unfortunately, we have a 2nd year version of MM. We are stuck with MM until Lock is ready, MM is hurt or MM shits the bed for another few games.

If I had a list of problems with this coaching staff the ranking of players on the depth chart would be near the bottom. Number one problem is probably recruiting, but, on the flip side, their biggest strength is player development. Let them have more time to develop MM before we call for his head.
Posted by reedus23
St. Louis
Member since Sep 2011
25485 posts
Posted on 10/20/14 at 2:34 pm to
This is not just 3 tough weeks.

Matter Blog from fall camp
Posted by reedus23
St. Louis
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 10/20/14 at 2:36 pm to
Mauk: 4-of-11, 28 yards

Corbin Berkstresser: 7-of-12, 51 yards

Eddie Printz: 9-of-12, 115 yards

Marvin Zanders: 2-of-3, 17 yards

Will look for the other numbers, but these were the numbers from the last scrimmage. The other thing to remember is that, if I read it right, Mauk was playing down (meaning his #1 offense going against #2 defense) most of the time while the others were playing up or even at worst. Yet every other QB put up better numbers than Mauk.
Posted by reedus23
St. Louis
Member since Sep 2011
25485 posts
Posted on 10/20/14 at 2:38 pm to
Mauk: 28 of 55, 322 yards, TD, INT … 50.1 completion percentage, 5.9 yards per attempt, 102.5 rating

Berkstresser: 32 of 57, 279 yards, 2 TDs, INT … 56.1 percent, 4.9 yards per attempt, 105.3 grating

Printz: 34 of 56, 304 yards, TD, INT … 60.7 percent, 5.4 yards per attempt, 108.6 rating

Looks like the numbers for all of the fall scrimmages. Again, Mauk, while playing down most of the time, was worse than the other two, who were playing up most of the time.
Posted by hoff6383
St. Louis
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 10/20/14 at 3:02 pm to
That is interesting seeing all the stats together. Shows we have a bunch of mediocre qb's.

I thought I read multiple media outlets stating that MM looked the best throughout spring (although numbers from scrimmages don't have anyone standing out). Maybe it was just all the hype about his upside and dark horse Heisman potential that I remember.
This post was edited on 10/20/14 at 3:11 pm
Posted by JesusQuintana
St Louis
Member since Oct 2013
33366 posts
Posted on 10/20/14 at 3:15 pm to
If we have Mauk starting for another 1-2 years after this one we are in big trouble.
Posted by Mizzourah2006
Fayetteville, AR
Member since Nov 2013
289 posts
Posted on 10/20/14 at 3:22 pm to
Hopefully Lock signs and is as good as advertised. Then we might only have to put up with Mauk for 1 more season (assuming a redshirt).
Posted by Mizz-SEC
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Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 10/20/14 at 4:33 pm to
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That is interesting seeing all the stats together. Shows we have a bunch of mediocre qb's.


Not necessarily. They were all working with reserve WRs being pressed into starting duty.

That Printz connected at a 60% rate looks impressive by comparison.
Posted by TigerBornTigerBred
Member since Mar 2014
1339 posts
Posted on 10/20/14 at 4:54 pm to
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If we have Mauk starting for another 1-2 years after this one we are in big trouble.


It's a shame we have no choice but to sit back and watch this stubborn man destroy our program. It's not right.
Posted by hoff6383
St. Louis
Member since Jan 2014
26 posts
Posted on 10/20/14 at 5:07 pm to
Last year Pinkel was great. This year he is destroying our program. Look at where this program was before Pinkel got here and look where it is at now. Then, slap yourself in the face.
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