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Printz vs Vandy
Posted on 10/19/14 at 9:15 pm
Posted on 10/19/14 at 9:15 pm
As shitty as we have played for the most part, the season is not lost yet. We are a UGA loss from controlling our own destiny in the East. We don't play a great team the rest of the year. We can run the table with competent QB play.
I can only hope that someone gets in Pinkel's ear and reminds him of all of that and can convince him to give Printz a chance when Mauk continues to suck.
We'll beat Vandy with Mauk playing like a 7 year old girl, but we won't run the table. I'll be very disappointed in Pinkel if he runs the season into the ground over this and I'm afraid he will.
I can only hope that someone gets in Pinkel's ear and reminds him of all of that and can convince him to give Printz a chance when Mauk continues to suck.
We'll beat Vandy with Mauk playing like a 7 year old girl, but we won't run the table. I'll be very disappointed in Pinkel if he runs the season into the ground over this and I'm afraid he will.
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Posted on 10/19/14 at 9:16 pm to JesusQuintana
Your fears are legit
Posted on 10/19/14 at 9:31 pm to JesusQuintana
Mauk has been stinking it up but to pretend that our receivers are creating time and space, well, its a problem just as much as Mauk and terrible OL pass blocking.
Im not sure why folks think Printz is ready to be more than what Mauk is/can be right now.
Reminds me an awful lot of the Berkstresser over Franklin calls from our fanbase in 2012.
I want to be clear, I dont think Mauk has played well but the bigger problems lie in other areas of our offense.
Im not sure why folks think Printz is ready to be more than what Mauk is/can be right now.
Reminds me an awful lot of the Berkstresser over Franklin calls from our fanbase in 2012.
I want to be clear, I dont think Mauk has played well but the bigger problems lie in other areas of our offense.
Posted on 10/19/14 at 10:05 pm to kilo
As Henson said himself, Mauk is not staying in the pocket to deliver throws to open receivers. Most completions are made to receivers who are not "wide" open. The QB steps up and delivers in small windows. As far as the OL, you're seeing teams load the box just to fluster Mauk. They have figured out it doesn't take much to get him to leave the pocket.
Mauk's background is an empty backfield, throw 4 downs and pile up the stats. Asking him to step up in the pocket is asking a lot. So what's the harm in letting Printz prove he can throw from the pocket? If for no other reason, to get the defense to back off and maybe that opens up the running game again.
Coaches make changes, you see it in several programs. Is there a legit reason why Mizzou can't make a change to try to get better?
Mauk's background is an empty backfield, throw 4 downs and pile up the stats. Asking him to step up in the pocket is asking a lot. So what's the harm in letting Printz prove he can throw from the pocket? If for no other reason, to get the defense to back off and maybe that opens up the running game again.
Coaches make changes, you see it in several programs. Is there a legit reason why Mizzou can't make a change to try to get better?
Posted on 10/19/14 at 10:15 pm to surgicalvenom
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As Henson said himself, Mauk is not staying in the pocket to deliver throws to open receivers. Most completions are made to receivers who are not "wide" open. The QB steps up and delivers in small windows. As far as the OL, you're seeing teams load the box just to fluster Mauk. They have figured out it doesn't take much to get him to leave the pocket.
No, the OL has been bad. Mauk didnt have these problems last year. He stood in and stepped up in the pocket to make throws last season.
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Mauk's background is an empty backfield, throw 4 downs and pile up the stats. Asking him to step up in the pocket is asking a lot. So what's the harm in letting Printz prove he can throw from the pocket? If for no other reason, to get the defense to back off and maybe that opens up the running game again.
I dont have a problem with anything quite honestly. I just think playing musical chairs with the QB1 position isnt the answer to deeper issues on this offense.
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Coaches make changes, you see it in several programs. Is there a legit reason why Mizzou can't make a change to try to get better?
Huh? When did I say the staff should/shouldnt make changes?
To completely gloss over the OL issues and the inability for our receivers to create any separation (has been going on all season) and focus on Mauk only seems short sighted. You are asking a less experienced, younger and less mobile QB to try and make plays in this offense.
Mauk hasnt played well. Mauk played much better against better competition last year. The biggest difference between the two versions of Mauk is his OL and playmakers in our receiving corps.
This post was edited on 10/19/14 at 10:17 pm
Posted on 10/19/14 at 10:41 pm to kilo
I disagree, Mauk's completion rate was only around 50% completion rate last year. It was assumed it would get better this year, but it's slightly worse. Interceptions are up but completion rate has always been bad.
Because of the success of the team last year, Mauk's bad numbers get glossed over. While the OL has been bad, they are getting better, but qb play has been getting worse. If any other position player regressed this badly, no one would question trying a replacement. Why is Mauks poor play and obvious regression so acceptable?
Because of the success of the team last year, Mauk's bad numbers get glossed over. While the OL has been bad, they are getting better, but qb play has been getting worse. If any other position player regressed this badly, no one would question trying a replacement. Why is Mauks poor play and obvious regression so acceptable?
Posted on 10/19/14 at 10:51 pm to surgicalvenom
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I disagree, Mauk's completion rate was only around 50% completion rate last year. It was assumed it would get better this year, but it's slightly worse. Interceptions are up but completion rate has always been bad.
You think the offensive wows are solely on Mauk? You think our receivers and OL are equal to and last season and or adequate?
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Why is Mauks poor play and obvious regression so acceptable?
Because it didnt happen in a bubble. If folks are just going to gloss over the other obvious issues at play then there is really no reason to have the conversation in the end.
And just to add, no, the OL pass protection hasnt gotten "better". Not at all.
Im not making excuses for Mauk. He plays a role but he is just a part of the larger problems in this offense. If folks think throwing a young inexperienced pocket passer like Printz with the receivers this team has and the OL this team has and things will do a 180 for this offense...thats their right. I just completely disagree and I dont think it gives this team a better chance to win.
Posted on 10/19/14 at 11:27 pm to kilo
No, they don't. The biggest problem is at QB. There are other issues, sure but when your QB is awful and ours has been, you can't do much of anything.
There is no issue on this offense that even comes close to QB play.
I don't know Printz is better. He may suck just as bad, but you have to find out. That's my point.
There is no issue on this offense that even comes close to QB play.
I don't know Printz is better. He may suck just as bad, but you have to find out. That's my point.
Posted on 10/19/14 at 11:36 pm to JesusQuintana
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No, they don't. The biggest problem is at QB. There are other issues, sure but when your QB is awful and ours has been, you can't do much of anything.
There is no issue on this offense that even comes close to QB play.
Well. Ok.
Its not worth trying to have the discussion if people really dont think the OL and the "skill" at receiver isnt a pretty big issue.
No one wants to address the point I made between examining Mauk last year and Mauk this year.
Like I said, Im not making excuses for Mauk at all. He has gotten happy feet in the last few weeks and a loss composure, that is on him.
To just think that receivers and OL are not a big problem for this team and got to the knee jerk "blame it all on the QB" is just, I dont know.
Im out. The mob seems to want to lay it all at Mauks feet.
Posted on 10/19/14 at 11:38 pm to kilo
You are most certainly making excuses for him. You want to blame the OL when the QB creates pressure that isn't there the majority of the time. He either holds the ball to long, or bails to the sideline when his first read isn't open. He makes poor reads constantly and locks onto receivers.
He had a lot of these issues last year. Accuracy, pocket presence, locking onto WR. He had SEVERAL gimme interceptions dropped last year. Most people thought he could improve those things going forward, but the exact opposite has happened. He's regressed to the point where he is the worst QB in the league, and maybe in all the power 5 conferences. He's been absolutely dreadful in SEC play.
It's not one bad game. It's at least 3, and all in a row. Miraculously, it hasn't yet buried us but it will. The only shot we have to salvage this season is to get vast improvement from that position. Being something close to average would be a vast improvement. Now, I guess it's possible that Mauk somehow turns it around but I sure as hell don't think it's very likely.
He had a lot of these issues last year. Accuracy, pocket presence, locking onto WR. He had SEVERAL gimme interceptions dropped last year. Most people thought he could improve those things going forward, but the exact opposite has happened. He's regressed to the point where he is the worst QB in the league, and maybe in all the power 5 conferences. He's been absolutely dreadful in SEC play.
It's not one bad game. It's at least 3, and all in a row. Miraculously, it hasn't yet buried us but it will. The only shot we have to salvage this season is to get vast improvement from that position. Being something close to average would be a vast improvement. Now, I guess it's possible that Mauk somehow turns it around but I sure as hell don't think it's very likely.
Posted on 10/19/14 at 11:46 pm to JesusQuintana
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You are most certainly making excuses for him. You want to blame the OL when the QB creates pressure that isn't there the majority of the time.
Oh bullshite. Watch the games. You honestly think the pressure is not real? Oh lord man.
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He had a lot of these issues last year. Accuracy, pocket presence, locking onto WR. He had SEVERAL gimme interceptions dropped last year. Most people thought he could improve those things going forward, but the exact opposite has happened. He's regressed to the point where he is the worst QB in the league, and maybe in all the power 5 conferences. He's been absolutely dreadful in SEC play.
It's not one bad game. It's at least 3, and all in a row. Miraculously, it hasn't yet buried us but it will. The only shot we have to salvage this season is to get vast improvement from that position. Being something close to average would be a vast improvement. Now, I guess it's possible that Mauk somehow turns it around but I sure as hell don't think it's very likely.
Like I said. Blame it all on him. Do what you want. The OL and the recivers we have ARE a HUGE part of the problems in this offense. If you think that statement is "making excuses" I dont know what to tell you.
Every single Mizzou fan were saying we were going to have problems on the OL and with the skill level of our receivers going into the season. Now all of a sudden its not an issue as you develop tunnel vision and focus on Mauk.
I will say this again so its not lost. Mauk is contributing to the offensive woes.
This post was edited on 10/20/14 at 12:00 am
Posted on 10/20/14 at 12:01 am to kilo
You should watch the games. Many times he has a pocket to step into, but doesn't. Many times he has a window to throw early, but doesn't. Many times his second or third read gets open but he never gets there.
You think that blaming the QB is "knee jerk" so you won't do it. I agree it happens too much, but it's spot on in this case. If we had Franklin we'd probably be undefeated and have the East all but locked up.
If you are watching these games and can't/won't see that QB is 90% of our problem then I don't know what to tell you.
You think that blaming the QB is "knee jerk" so you won't do it. I agree it happens too much, but it's spot on in this case. If we had Franklin we'd probably be undefeated and have the East all but locked up.
If you are watching these games and can't/won't see that QB is 90% of our problem then I don't know what to tell you.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 12:07 am to JesusQuintana
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90% of our problem
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If we had Franklin we'd probably be undefeated
Ok man.
Im not going to do this with you.
You think there is no OL problem. You think there is no "skill" issue at wideout. Its "90% a QB problem"
We have no where else to go with this discussion.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 12:17 am to kilo
I think there's little doubt that there is more than one problem with the offense. My biggest problem isn't that they haven't made a wholesale change at QB, but they've had opportunities to and haven't given Printz any reps. The only reason to not give him reps is for fear of creating a QB controversy if Printz does well. To me, assuming you have good leadership, a QB controversy really just means good competition for the position. Might even push Mauk to be better.
Looking ahead, I think we must have some true competition at QB for next year. It was handed to Mauk before the spring this past year and that did no one any favors. The good news for next year is we return 9 out of 10 OLinemen in the current 2 deep. Only lose Morris, granted it's at LT. For more bad news, the WR spot isn't going to get much better than I can see. We'll have Senior Leftwich, Sophomores Moore, Brown and Lee and only adding Freshmen Blair, DiLosa and Richards. Not much production at all returning and if we apply the same logic to the freshmen that we are to Mauk/Printz, we can only assume that Blair, DiLosa and Richards are worse than Lee and Brown and will give less production.
Looking ahead, I think we must have some true competition at QB for next year. It was handed to Mauk before the spring this past year and that did no one any favors. The good news for next year is we return 9 out of 10 OLinemen in the current 2 deep. Only lose Morris, granted it's at LT. For more bad news, the WR spot isn't going to get much better than I can see. We'll have Senior Leftwich, Sophomores Moore, Brown and Lee and only adding Freshmen Blair, DiLosa and Richards. Not much production at all returning and if we apply the same logic to the freshmen that we are to Mauk/Printz, we can only assume that Blair, DiLosa and Richards are worse than Lee and Brown and will give less production.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 7:40 am to JesusQuintana
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I can only hope that someone gets in Pinkel's ear and reminds him of all of that and can convince him to give Printz a chance when Mauk continues to suck.
"I don't want to"
- deus pinkel hath spoken
Posted on 10/20/14 at 7:57 am to Jagd Tiger
I tend to side with Kilo here.
Mauk is a mess, but he's not 100% at fault.
It seems to start at the line, carry into the WRs, and end with Mauk. What you see out of Mauk is the end result of all the other stuff happening in front of him.
That's not to say he isn't mind fricked, and hasn't sucked. He is/has. Mauk is a 1 read QB. He's never had to go through progessions and read defenses, it's the biggest difference from HS to college football.
I'm not sure what's going on presnap, but there is utter confusion out there. When you come out of a time out and get a delay of game something is seriously wrong. I'm assuming it's Mauk trying to do too much on his presnap reads. There were times I thought he was trying to do too much presnap. He seems like a get the play, run the play QB at this point.
Finally, Henson isn't doing him any favors. The run plays towards the sidelines need to stop. If they could establish a downhill run game, then a play action would give MM a cushion and some time to throw. He needs to do a better job of calling plays to the strength of this offensive group.
I would be shocked if changing QBs will fix anything. We know what we have with Berkstresser, and Printz is just as young as Mauk and would most likely have some of the same problems as far as reading the D and going through progressions. The problems are much more systematic and complicated than just saying, "Mauk sucks."
That being said, if we have the same problems with Vandy, GP will need to make a change, he might lose the team if he gets too stubborn.
Mauk is a mess, but he's not 100% at fault.
It seems to start at the line, carry into the WRs, and end with Mauk. What you see out of Mauk is the end result of all the other stuff happening in front of him.
That's not to say he isn't mind fricked, and hasn't sucked. He is/has. Mauk is a 1 read QB. He's never had to go through progessions and read defenses, it's the biggest difference from HS to college football.
I'm not sure what's going on presnap, but there is utter confusion out there. When you come out of a time out and get a delay of game something is seriously wrong. I'm assuming it's Mauk trying to do too much on his presnap reads. There were times I thought he was trying to do too much presnap. He seems like a get the play, run the play QB at this point.
Finally, Henson isn't doing him any favors. The run plays towards the sidelines need to stop. If they could establish a downhill run game, then a play action would give MM a cushion and some time to throw. He needs to do a better job of calling plays to the strength of this offensive group.
I would be shocked if changing QBs will fix anything. We know what we have with Berkstresser, and Printz is just as young as Mauk and would most likely have some of the same problems as far as reading the D and going through progressions. The problems are much more systematic and complicated than just saying, "Mauk sucks."
That being said, if we have the same problems with Vandy, GP will need to make a change, he might lose the team if he gets too stubborn.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 8:13 am to Remote Controlled
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Finally, Henson isn't doing him any favors. The run plays towards the sidelines need to stop. If they could establish a downhill run game, then a play action would give MM a cushion and some time to throw. He needs to do a better job of calling plays to the strength of this offensive group.
I keep seeing this. What strengths are we talking about here? The QB can't get the ball to the WR. He's even terribly inaccurate on screen passes. Give the ball to Murphy 50 times a game?
Posted on 10/20/14 at 8:16 am to Remote Controlled
Who would have thought I'd be longing for the days of James Franklin standing in the pocket straight legged and flat footed.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 8:17 am to JesusQuintana
I couldn't necessarily tell you what the "strengths" are.
Aside from RH and Murphy, everyone else seems pretty average.
I did give you an idea of what could be done.
I'm all for Printz getting a shot, I'm just not sure that will fix everything.
Aside from RH and Murphy, everyone else seems pretty average.
I did give you an idea of what could be done.
I'm all for Printz getting a shot, I'm just not sure that will fix everything.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 8:21 am to Remote Controlled
I don't think you make a whole sale change. Where GP fricked up is in making MM you're QB 100% of the time. If he would have started from game 1 with a couple of series for Printz and then maybe 4 series in game 2 and 5 series in game 3 we would have a better idea of what we have in Printz. He could also sneak in more and more series for Printz if MM is shitting the bed and it wouldn't have been viewed as such a drastic change. Now to go to Printz is to go to a complete unknown and I don't know you can do that.
I am much more for starting MM and giving Printz a series in at least each quarter.
I am much more for starting MM and giving Printz a series in at least each quarter.
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