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KC-STL: Tale of Two Cities
Posted on 5/16/14 at 4:32 pm
Posted on 5/16/14 at 4:32 pm
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The video in the link is very Micheal Sam, skip it.
Click on the images below it, each subject compares something from StL and KC.
The video in the link is very Micheal Sam, skip it.
Click on the images below it, each subject compares something from StL and KC.
This post was edited on 5/16/14 at 7:04 pm
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Posted on 5/16/14 at 6:46 pm to Sleeping Tiger
I live in KC now but I'm from Sedalia. I do not understand the city rivalry in any way. Growing up I went to both for weekend fun. There are pros and cons to both. But it seems like the cities spend so much time fighting eachother or fighting kansas that both end up slipping and losing buisness and conventions to Indianapolis and similar cities.
Posted on 5/16/14 at 6:59 pm to MizzouBred
It's just a fun article that compares some of the key things about each city.
Appropriate because of all the back and forth between kc and STL people on this board.
But yes, the complex and one sided rivalry from kc folks is odd. We're very glad to have them as little brothers.
Appropriate because of all the back and forth between kc and STL people on this board.
But yes, the complex and one sided rivalry from kc folks is odd. We're very glad to have them as little brothers.
Posted on 5/18/14 at 9:34 am to Sleeping Tiger
I find this ongoing "rivalry" boring and tiresome. So boring I'm posting in it. 
Reality is both cities has alot going for it. KC natives doesn't spend their time thinking about St Louie anymore than St Louie thinks about KC. This "penis envy" or "little brother" syndrome KC supposedly has is silly and ridiculous.
Reality is both cities has alot going for it. KC natives doesn't spend their time thinking about St Louie anymore than St Louie thinks about KC. This "penis envy" or "little brother" syndrome KC supposedly has is silly and ridiculous.
Posted on 5/18/14 at 9:43 am to MizzouBred
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I live in KC now but I'm from Sedalia. I do not understand the city rivalry in any way. Growing up I went to both for weekend fun. There are pros and cons to both. But it seems like the cities spend so much time fighting eachother or fighting kansas that both end up slipping and losing buisness and conventions to Indianapolis and similar cities.
When I visted KC, and stopped in STL Airport on my way back I didn't really hear any badmouthing of the 2 cities from either side. Although I did hear lots of trash talking between Kansas and Missori a ton
Posted on 5/19/14 at 12:27 am to Sleeping Tiger
So essentially under the dialect section, one can conclude that the western side of the state speaks more similarly with southern speech patterns and St. Louis talks like a bunch of damn Yankees....just as I thought 
FWIW, I'm a geography/map nerd, and I've always been fascinated how different Missourians talk. I can pick out someone from St. Louis just by talking to them for 30 seconds. Southern Missouri is also identifiable, although Springfield speech patterns are pretty identical to Kansas City.
FWIW, I'm a geography/map nerd, and I've always been fascinated how different Missourians talk. I can pick out someone from St. Louis just by talking to them for 30 seconds. Southern Missouri is also identifiable, although Springfield speech patterns are pretty identical to Kansas City.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 10:00 am to Sleeping Tiger
I grew up in KC, went to Mizzou, then moved to St. Louis and have lived here for over 30yrs.
St. Louis refuses to acknowledge KC, and competes with Chicago. But truth be known, Chicago refuses to acknowledge St. Louis.
So KC has short-man syndrome towards St. Louis, and St. Louis has short-man syndrome to Chicago.
I have likes and hates of both towns.
KC is more progressive, has more "new money", and was smart to grab as much of Jackson and Clay county for the City.
St. Louis is bigger, has more to do and I prefer the location closer east.
The bad thing about KC is stares out to the barren wasteland to the west.
The bad thing about StL is the "old money". That is, StL was the 4th largest city in US, 110yrs ago and falling ever since. "Old money" are people that have made their money and cashed out, living on their portfolios. St. Louis is also mired in these little fiefdom towns that spend most efforts trying to steal another fiefdom's business than working together to bring in out of area business.
KC is western. Hearing "Howdy" is common. You'd never hear that in StL.
StL is eastern. You'll hear "Soda", instead of "Pop". Plus, apparently we think all Indianians are white trash. Only place you will hear white trash referred to as "Hoosiers".
St. Louis refuses to acknowledge KC, and competes with Chicago. But truth be known, Chicago refuses to acknowledge St. Louis.
So KC has short-man syndrome towards St. Louis, and St. Louis has short-man syndrome to Chicago.
I have likes and hates of both towns.
KC is more progressive, has more "new money", and was smart to grab as much of Jackson and Clay county for the City.
St. Louis is bigger, has more to do and I prefer the location closer east.
The bad thing about KC is stares out to the barren wasteland to the west.
The bad thing about StL is the "old money". That is, StL was the 4th largest city in US, 110yrs ago and falling ever since. "Old money" are people that have made their money and cashed out, living on their portfolios. St. Louis is also mired in these little fiefdom towns that spend most efforts trying to steal another fiefdom's business than working together to bring in out of area business.
KC is western. Hearing "Howdy" is common. You'd never hear that in StL.
StL is eastern. You'll hear "Soda", instead of "Pop". Plus, apparently we think all Indianians are white trash. Only place you will hear white trash referred to as "Hoosiers".
Posted on 5/19/14 at 10:06 am to KCM0Tiger
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FWIW, I'm a geography/map nerd, and I've always been fascinated how different Missourians talk. I can pick out someone from St. Louis just by talking to them for 30 seconds. Southern Missouri is also identifiable, although Springfield speech patterns are pretty identical to Kansas City.
In St. Louis, it's the over pronounciation of "R"s, or adding "R"s.
People warsh their cloths. "Lets go paRdy"
Posted on 5/19/14 at 10:07 am to Stlox
The best thing to come out of stl is toasted ravioli, The Urge, and Aaron Kamm & the One Drops. Besides that I really cant stand stl.
stl is very eastern
KC is very western
I wouldn't agree with the fact that KC has short-man syndrome to stl. They are equal in size and I can't think of anyone in KC who envy's stl in any way.
However stl does have short-man syndrome to Chicago. Watching that dynamic here in CoMO is quite possibly one of the best things ever. If you've never seen a group of Blackhawk fratties and Blues fratties going at it then you're missing out. Pure comedy.
stl is very eastern
KC is very western
I wouldn't agree with the fact that KC has short-man syndrome to stl. They are equal in size and I can't think of anyone in KC who envy's stl in any way.
However stl does have short-man syndrome to Chicago. Watching that dynamic here in CoMO is quite possibly one of the best things ever. If you've never seen a group of Blackhawk fratties and Blues fratties going at it then you're missing out. Pure comedy.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 10:10 am to KCM0Tiger
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So essentially under the dialect section, one can conclude that the western side of the state speaks more similarly with southern speech patterns and St. Louis talks like a bunch of damn Yankees....just as I thought
Only on this board is this a positive unless you're looking to be cast as an evil prick in some movie about civil rights.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 10:16 am to 3rdVega
I grew up in the KC metro and went to Columbia for college. I'm now in SWMO and I have friends and family in STL. I'm not aware of any rivalry (one-sided or otherwise) between KC and STL. STL was never even on my radar when I lived in KC. Except for a few Cards fans who can't forget a certain call at first base, there's no animosity. Both are decent if you like cities.
Interestingly, Springfield is a Cardinals and Chiefs town.
Interestingly, Springfield is a Cardinals and Chiefs town.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 10:29 am to Aux Arc
I live in KC up in the Northland and I don't give a crap about STL either way. I just think it is fun to poke the stick at them from time to time.
I have never once had the urge to go on a non Mizzou related vacation to STL and if I lived in STL I would probably feel the same way about KC.
I grew up in Austin, TX and Denver, CO. So both KC and STL are complete shite IMO by comparison....
I have never once had the urge to go on a non Mizzou related vacation to STL and if I lived in STL I would probably feel the same way about KC.
I grew up in Austin, TX and Denver, CO. So both KC and STL are complete shite IMO by comparison....
Posted on 5/19/14 at 10:30 am to Aux Arc
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I'm not aware of any rivalry (one-sided or otherwise) between KC and STL.
The only place there's a rivalry is TB. The fact we all here pretty much migrated from there is the only real reason it exists, such as it does, on here.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 10:40 am to 3rdVega
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The best thing to come out of stl is toasted ravioli, The Urge, and Aaron Kamm & the One Drops
Don't forget about Ted Drewes.
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They are equal in size and I can't think of anyone in KC who envy's stl in any way.
There are a million more people in St. Louis metro than KC metro.
The cities, excluding the metro, are equal in size only because in 1948, the City of St. Louis made a bonehead decision to never expand it's boundries past River Des Peres.
KC geographically is more than twice the size of St. Louis. But the metro area has much more people in St. Louis.
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Posted on 5/19/14 at 10:48 am to the808bass
I grew up in St. Louis, went to Mizzou, and have lived in KC for 27 years. There is no real rivalry that I've ever been able to discern. KC has a huge number of ex-St. Louisans living here, so many that one high school (Kirkwood) even has an alumni group in KC.
There are lots of differences between the two cities which I like a lot. They each have their strengths, which make visiting each, fun.
Metro area sizes are getting close. Overall, KC is growing ever so slightly faster than St. Louis, but St. Louis is still larger. Metro areas: KC is 2.2 million, St. Louis is 2.8 million.
No matter which city I lived in I would visit the other for what they have that is unique.
There are lots of differences between the two cities which I like a lot. They each have their strengths, which make visiting each, fun.
Metro area sizes are getting close. Overall, KC is growing ever so slightly faster than St. Louis, but St. Louis is still larger. Metro areas: KC is 2.2 million, St. Louis is 2.8 million.
No matter which city I lived in I would visit the other for what they have that is unique.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 10:58 am to MizzouJim
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Metro area sizes are getting close. Overall, KC is growing ever so slightly faster than St. Louis, but St. Louis is still larger. Metro areas: KC is 2.2 million, St. Louis is 2.8 million.
I was surprised by your numbers. You're a little off. StL is 2.8 and KC is 2.0.
But I would agree, the growth rate is higher in KC. This is my beef with "old money" vs. "new money". "New money" adds growth and "old money" doesn't. Things remain the same, KC will pass StL.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 11:07 am to Stlox
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St. Louis refuses to acknowledge KC, and competes with Chicago. But truth be known, Chicago refuses to acknowledge St. Louis.
Um, what?
Posted on 5/19/14 at 11:09 am to Stlox
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That is, StL was the 4th largest city in US, 110yrs ago and falling ever since. "Old money" are people that have made their money and cashed out, living on their portfolios. St
Did you just explain what 'old money' means?
This post was edited on 5/19/14 at 11:10 am
Posted on 5/19/14 at 11:42 am to Stlox
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I was surprised by your numbers. You're a little off. StL is 2.8 and KC is 2.0.
Are we really going to argue this? You completely missed my point if you are. The KC area includes the county which has St. Joseph as part of the metro area (it is near the airport, and part of the metroplex) That gets us to the 2.2 million I cited.
However, Kansas City's actual CSA is even higher (St. Louis' CSA slightly more). St. Louis CSA is 2.9 million, and KC's is 2.4 million.
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Regarding the debate about new vs old money I think may be deceptive. Even if KC is growing slightly faster, both cities are entreprenurial and growing new businesses which by definition become new money. What is indisputable is that St. Louis is a much older city and therefore has more household "name" companies than its younger counterpart.
I want both cities to thrive and that means attracting young people and innovative companies.
Both cities have much to recommend them, and people I talk to from either coast are often surprised by the culture and diversity that both cities present.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 11:51 am to MizzouBred
I don't really think there is much of a "rivalry" of any sorts between the two cities. We may poke each other, but I believe it's all in good fun. Both are awesome cities, and if anything their differences are just an example of the great diversity you will find in Missouri. I really feel like we do have the most diverse state in the country.
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