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Is This The Way We Wanted It? Mauk v. Lock

Posted on 9/21/15 at 10:53 am
Posted by pauliebleaker
Chesterfield
Member since Jul 2014
1847 posts
Posted on 9/21/15 at 10:53 am
Since most of us are rooting for the Lock era to start early, is this what we were hoping for? We have the luxury of wins while we have a changing of the guard.

Mauk is not performing well but we're still getting the wins. The argument for Lock can be reasonably made even though we are winning. It could happen again this week since kentucky doesn't have a strong offense. Our D shuts them down, Mauk throws for 15 yards in the first half and Lock starts the second half and is our new starter.
Posted by semotruman
Member since Nov 2011
23188 posts
Posted on 9/21/15 at 10:56 am to
How long have you watched Pinkel-ball? I just don't see a change at starter until and unless Mauk's play loses us at least 2 games. The man is predictably stubborn in these situations. I seem to remember this exact same discussion over James Franklin a couple of years ago.
Posted by 5thTiger
Member since Nov 2014
7996 posts
Posted on 9/21/15 at 10:57 am to
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The man is predictably stubborn in these situations. I seem to remember this exact same discussion over James Franklin a couple of years ago


Ah...the Missouri conundrum....never satisfied.
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
68531 posts
Posted on 9/21/15 at 10:58 am to
Here's my issue: without MM we don't win the East back to back or either year.....everyone can say what they want but this is a fact we KNOW he can win when the going gets tough.

I want the best QB to play PERIOD and right now it may be Lock. I was certainly pissed when MM went back in after Lock drove us down and Andrew left a mark on the right upright because the TEAM responded to Lock.
Posted by everytrueson
West Hollywood, California
Member since Mar 2012
7771 posts
Posted on 9/21/15 at 11:15 am to
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I want the best QB to play PERIOD and right now it may be Lock. I was certainly pissed when MM went back in after Lock drove us down and Andrew left a mark on the right upright because the TEAM responded to Lock.



I could not agree more with this.
Posted by surgicalvenom
Omaha
Member since Jan 2014
6697 posts
Posted on 9/21/15 at 11:26 am to
I don't see it as a Mauk vs. Lock thing. The staff recruited Lock and as luck has it, Lock actually had all the skills as advertised. It doesn't happen a lot, as a lot of these kids are hype. But when a team is lucky enough to get one of these kids, it would be asinine to not look to play him. Just ask LSU or Texas about missing on so called 5 star QB recruits, it's rare these kids actually come in ready to play. For Mauks part, he has to raise his game. Not for the fans, but for the team. The team should never be "satisfied," they should always be trying to get better. If Mauk can increase his skills and keep Lock on the bench, the team benefits, if not and Lock surpasses him, the team benefits. Isn't that the way competition is supposed to be?
Posted by wubilli
Columbia
Member since Apr 2014
5517 posts
Posted on 9/21/15 at 11:33 am to
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How long have you watched Pinkel-ball? I just don't see a change at starter until and unless Mauk's play loses u


Pinkel is giving Lock chances to show he is a better option. So far he hasn't definitively shown that the offens is better with him. Maybe slightly, but not enough to overtake Mauk.
Posted by KCMIZSEC
Member since Sep 2013
2199 posts
Posted on 9/21/15 at 12:10 pm to
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Pinkel is giving Lock chances to show he is a better option.


I think Pinkel needs to start giving Lock a little more time. One or two series a game isn't really enough to tell whether he is better or not, in my opinion. I'd like to see him have two or possibly three series in a row. I know that isn't likely to happen any time soon.
Posted by JesusQuintana
St Louis
Member since Oct 2013
33369 posts
Posted on 9/21/15 at 12:18 pm to
It's not what I wanted. I wanted Mauk to play so well that this wouldn't even be a discussion, because I knew that for Pinkel to actually make a change it would have t be brought on by massive failure. If we do see a change, the season will have been sunk long before.
Posted by TigerCruise
Virginia Beach, VA
Member since Oct 2013
11898 posts
Posted on 9/21/15 at 12:19 pm to
I think Mauk should start. If he struggles in the first quarter and Lock drives down the field to open the 2nd, I think you have to play the hot hand and stick with Lock.
Posted by Mizzou Mule
St. Charles County, Missou-rah
Member since Sep 2014
3131 posts
Posted on 9/21/15 at 12:22 pm to
Best one I've heard in a long while.

A youngster hears his dad, a 60-year Mizzou fan say this after Mauk completes a pass to the defense. "Mauk is just getting the best players on the field."

Pure black and gold.
Posted by reedus23
St. Louis
Member since Sep 2011
25492 posts
Posted on 9/21/15 at 1:24 pm to
I'm all for Lock.

Having said that one game at a time and Mauk should start against UK. I have a feeling (hope) that he's gonna come out on fire after last week. If not and its more of the same and Lock continues to move the ball like he has and maybe even contributes to giving us a lead then real consideration has to be given
Posted by Mizz-SEC
Inbred Huntin' In The SEC
Member since Jun 2013
22773 posts
Posted on 9/21/15 at 4:47 pm to
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It's not what I wanted. I wanted Mauk to play so well that this wouldn't even be a discussion, because I knew that for Pinkel to actually make a change it would have t be brought on by massive failure. If we do see a change, the season will have been sunk long before.


That's what I wanted too. Mauk winning, getting better and leading the team to a three-peat with Lock getting a series a half for the next two years and then playing two more beyond that - all great seasons as Mizzou plants it's flag in the SEC.

I slightly disagree about Pinkel only making a change if the season is sunk - and maybe I'm being naive. I think Pinkel turning to Lock so deep in the 4th quarter with the game on the line was a look into his thinking process. If Mauk continues to suck arse this hard, a change will be made much sooner than later. It's not what he wants to do, but it's what he'll have to do.

You could make a strong case Mizzou is in this OLine / RB hole because of the 2012 failure in our first SEC season. I heard Gabe DeArmond on the radio this morning rattle off some of the losses and flips that occurred off that 5-7 season. (The losses were dismissals of WRs over the past three seasons, while the flips were primarily in 2012 along the OL and why 2016's OL is going to have next to no experience).

Anyway, I don't think Pinkel is going to sit by and watch a season go the way of 5-7 again when he's got options.

You simply can't afford to in this league when the repercussions are so enormous.
Posted by IlliniBuck
Member since Apr 2015
358 posts
Posted on 9/21/15 at 8:43 pm to
Last year we had situations like at South Carolina when the offense went to sleep for 3 quarters. To his credit Maty woke up in the 4th quarter and moved the offense down the field for a couple of game winning scores. Not to his credit is the previous 3 quarters.

This year if the offense stalls like that maybe the coaches will try to see if a change of qb can get the offense moving. That would not be a slam on MM. I miss James Franklin but I remember the offense going to sleep when he was starting to.

Other programs with a poor offense like Mizzou's would be having massive benchings and shaking up the depth chart to see what works. Not us. We do what we do and that has worked well. Let's hope it works again.
Posted by Aux Arc
SW Missouri
Member since Oct 2011
2184 posts
Posted on 9/21/15 at 11:25 pm to
I know I'm in the minority, but I like the idea of having two Qbs sharing time. If one is having a bad game it is not a display of lack of confidence when you send the other in. It's just what we do from game to game. I understand the problem with a loss of rhythm,but the benefits out weigh the negative.

Im wondering, has there ever been a team that has had real success with this type of system at QB?
Posted by semotruman
Member since Nov 2011
23188 posts
Posted on 9/22/15 at 7:53 am to
I think it's a grand idea in theory, but the psychology of it keeps it from being an effective strategy, especially in the long term. The players just don't get in rhythm, the constant competition gets in their heads, and the team never gels around either.
Posted by surgicalvenom
Omaha
Member since Jan 2014
6697 posts
Posted on 9/22/15 at 8:29 am to
Florida won a national championship with Tebow and another qb (his name escapes me). People often think Tebow led UF to a NC but he was actually used for runs and short yardage, the other guy was the starter.
Posted by 5thTiger
Member since Nov 2014
7996 posts
Posted on 9/22/15 at 8:56 am to
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Florida won a national championship with Tebow and another qb (his name escapes me). People often think Tebow led UF to a NC but he was actually used for runs and short yardage, the other guy was the starter.


Chris Leak.
Posted by Kcprogguitar
Kansas City
Member since Oct 2014
937 posts
Posted on 9/22/15 at 9:56 am to
Last time I checked, football is a TEAM sport.

If the linemen aren't blocking, the receivers aren't running their routes and the backs are falling to the ground because they don't like the coaches choice at quarterback, then there's a much bigger problem and it's the coaches job to "straighten" these young men out about what's expected. The inmates do not run the prison.

I didn't see a whole lot of difference from Lock on his second drive, all I saw saw was a guy trying for a home run every play and failing. Why?

Because the receivers can't get open. Good God, Steve Largent was the slowest white boy to ever take the field but was always open because he ran precise routes. He's said so himself. 13 and a half yards, then cut. Not almost 13 or just a little over 14. Every time.

Rant over. My apologies.
Posted by Kamikaze25
Columbia
Member since Jul 2015
1199 posts
Posted on 9/22/15 at 10:20 am to
I'm not sure there have been a few teams with success in the 2-QB tactic. Ohio State is doing it as well, so time will tell how their season goes.
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