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re: 247 reports “mutual interest” with Odom and Louisville (multiple schools interested)
Posted on 11/25/18 at 3:37 pm to Mizz-SEC
Posted on 11/25/18 at 3:37 pm to Mizz-SEC
Only 2 things will improve attendance. Winning consistently and time. Many of the fans that left because of 2015 may never return. So Mizzou just needs to keep winning to get new fans.
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Posted on 11/25/18 at 3:43 pm to wubilli
Right, I’m not convinced that the coach has all that much to do with our attendance.
Missouri has a weak fan base and really always has. It’s probably worse now than it’s ever been. It is what it is.
We need to worry about winning games. The rest of this stuff is just noise.
Missouri has a weak fan base and really always has. It’s probably worse now than it’s ever been. It is what it is.
We need to worry about winning games. The rest of this stuff is just noise.
Posted on 11/25/18 at 3:45 pm to the808bass
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Salary is about numbers.
We finished 5th out of 7 in the East.
We will finish the year unranked (likely).
Our attendance revenue is probably ranked around 12th in the SEC.
Our recruiting rankings are 40ish in the country and 12th or so in the SEC.
We are likely to take a small step backwards next year.
I could add more numbers, including his all-time record and his all-time conference record and his head coaching experience versus all other P5 head coaches’ experience.
Based on those numbers, he’s not incredibly undercompensated IMO.
I’m fine with giving him a 10-15% increase in his base, upping his buyout and giving him a huge chunk for bowl eligibility. If he’s not planning on winning 6 games going forward, I’m not sure what you do with that.
I’m also fine with increasing the assistant pool.
This is not how to attract recruits, Missouri fans, coaching staffs, and to show Missouri football program is on the rise! That is how to compete for marketing and getting that good Missouri football image out there! This is the way to build the football program! No way we stay near the bottom and/or show others we are not committed to raise the football program to the next level!
This post was edited on 11/25/18 at 3:48 pm
Posted on 11/25/18 at 3:45 pm to JesusQuintana
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I’m not convinced that the coach has all that much to do with our attendance.
Winning does.
If you don’t think the coach affects winning, then you can’t argue he deserves $1M. Let alone $3.5M.
Posted on 11/25/18 at 3:45 pm to JesusQuintana
Lol. Barry isn’t going anywhere unless he’s fired first.
Posted on 11/25/18 at 3:45 pm to TrueLefty
Lol. Troll on, dumdum.
Posted on 11/25/18 at 3:50 pm to the808bass
Does it?
Go back to the Georgia game. We were undefeated, had a Heisman hopeful at QB playing a top 5 team on a picture perfect day and we can’t even get 60k to show up.
And if we win 9 games this year and attendance is no different next year?
The fanbase is weak. It just is. That’s not a personal shot to anyone here, but it’s a fact.
If we can’t pay a coach until we have weekly sellouts then we’ll never pay a coach.
Go back to the Georgia game. We were undefeated, had a Heisman hopeful at QB playing a top 5 team on a picture perfect day and we can’t even get 60k to show up.
And if we win 9 games this year and attendance is no different next year?
The fanbase is weak. It just is. That’s not a personal shot to anyone here, but it’s a fact.
If we can’t pay a coach until we have weekly sellouts then we’ll never pay a coach.
Posted on 11/25/18 at 3:51 pm to the808bass
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Lol. Troll on, dumdum.
Wow! You know more about how to build a good football program and show others why we are committed to doing this way? I guess you want Missouri to fail!
Posted on 11/25/18 at 3:52 pm to JesusQuintana
If we finished last year 8-4, attendance would’ve been better to start the year.
Posted on 11/25/18 at 3:55 pm to the808bass
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If we finished last year 8-4, attendance would’ve been better to start the year.
You see! You know nothing about how money does make coaches stay and be committed to continue to improve and be well known. Not the other way around!
Posted on 11/25/18 at 3:56 pm to the808bass
We’ll see
Posted on 11/25/18 at 4:06 pm to the808bass
I wouldn't be shocked to see Sterk give Odom a $500K raise. They win 8 games next year, give him another $500K. If they win more than that, pay him accordingly.
As is being discussed on a separate thread, Hill needs to go. At that point you can hire a QB coach or simply promote McGee if the fit is right. Special teams needs some love but having solid recruiter and QB coach is going to be a must if Dooley is going to be the OC long term. You also need to be able to pay Haley, Davis, and Finley. The bump in the assistant pool is probably more important than getting Odom a raise.
As is being discussed on a separate thread, Hill needs to go. At that point you can hire a QB coach or simply promote McGee if the fit is right. Special teams needs some love but having solid recruiter and QB coach is going to be a must if Dooley is going to be the OC long term. You also need to be able to pay Haley, Davis, and Finley. The bump in the assistant pool is probably more important than getting Odom a raise.
This post was edited on 11/25/18 at 4:08 pm
Posted on 11/25/18 at 4:09 pm to navynuke
$500k is ok, really (not that my opinion means much). And bumping him with another solid performance next year would be rational.
Posted on 11/25/18 at 4:19 pm to navynuke
quote:yeah
I wouldn't be shocked to see Sterk give Odom a $500K raise. They win 8 games next year, give him another $500K. If they win more than that, pay him accordingly.
quote:and all of that
As is being discussed on a separate thread, Hill needs to go. At that point you can hire a QB coach or simply promote McGee if the fit is right. Special teams needs some love but having solid recruiter and QB coach is going to be a must if Dooley is going to be the OC long term. You also need to be able to pay Haley, Davis, and Finley. The bump in the assistant pool is probably more important than getting Odom a raise.
weird how this comes up at contract time. Just strange
This post was edited on 11/25/18 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 11/25/18 at 4:20 pm to the808bass
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Salary is about numbers.
We finished 5th out of 7 in the East.
We will finish the year unranked (likely).
Our attendance revenue is probably ranked around 12th in the SEC.
Our recruiting rankings are 40ish in the country and 12th or so in the SEC.
We are likely to take a small step backwards next year.
I could add more numbers, including his all-time record and his all-time conference record and his head coaching experience versus all other P5 head coaches’ experience.
Based on those numbers, he’s not incredibly undercompensated IMO.
I’m fine with giving him a 10-15% increase in his base, upping his buyout and giving him a huge chunk for bowl eligibility. If he’s not planning on winning 6 games going forward, I’m not sure what you do with that.
I’m also fine with increasing the assistant pool.
I'm with you in anticipating a step backward next year due to breaking in a new QB and definitely would hate to see Mizzou in the type of gauranteed salary hell other schools are in. So I'm not sure what a fair number is vs. what he's actually produced. Maybe a comparable salary with a low-end buyout.
What's made me more pro-Odom lately is his team's resiliency and even keel mindsets.
Look no further than Odom Year One vs. Year One Jeremy Pruitt and Year One Chad Morris. Tennessee and Arkansas flat out mailed it in on the new HCs down the stretch this year while Odom's kept competing and ultimately winning. And it's been a trait of all three of his teams thus far.
The Louisville stroy is an obvious plant. That said, I want to lose or prematurely hit the eject button on a coach who's players are finishers who won't lay down.
Posted on 11/25/18 at 4:23 pm to TrueLefty
What would really show our commitment is if we payed him $50 million a year. It would pretty much guarantee 14 wins next year.
Posted on 11/25/18 at 4:23 pm to TrueLefty
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Missouri fans got to step up and go to the game
Lefty, then I assume you attended the game in Columbia??
Posted on 11/25/18 at 4:24 pm to navynuke
That’s not enough. He’ll get more than that.
3.5M or so plus incentives is a legitimate, respectable amount to pay a P5 HC.
Morris makes that. Pruitt makes more than that. frick, Matt Luke makes 3M per.
Odom is the lowest paid coach in the league.
3.5M or so plus incentives is a legitimate, respectable amount to pay a P5 HC.
Morris makes that. Pruitt makes more than that. frick, Matt Luke makes 3M per.
Odom is the lowest paid coach in the league.
Posted on 11/25/18 at 4:28 pm to JesusQuintana
Going 4-4 in conference play isn't going to garner a $1.15 million dollar raise and an assistant pool increase. He would have been lucky to get that with a 10 win season.
This post was edited on 11/25/18 at 4:29 pm
Posted on 11/25/18 at 4:34 pm to navynuke
The amount of the raise is inconsequential when his compensation was so (relatively speaking) low in the first place.
Morris got that to go 0-8. Pruitt got more to go 2-6
This is the price of poker at this point. Do I think Louisville would have interest in BO? Yeah, I sure do. His teams have improved every year. They are physical and they play with great effort. He owns his locker room which is something not all coaches can say. As was mentioned above look how many teams roll over on their coaches. We could have done that several times but never did.
Do I think BO has interest in them? No, I don’t really but I also think he has to have his job security in mind no matter how much he loves Mizzou.
Just pay the man market value. It’s not hard.
Morris got that to go 0-8. Pruitt got more to go 2-6
This is the price of poker at this point. Do I think Louisville would have interest in BO? Yeah, I sure do. His teams have improved every year. They are physical and they play with great effort. He owns his locker room which is something not all coaches can say. As was mentioned above look how many teams roll over on their coaches. We could have done that several times but never did.
Do I think BO has interest in them? No, I don’t really but I also think he has to have his job security in mind no matter how much he loves Mizzou.
Just pay the man market value. It’s not hard.
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