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re: 2018 Football Recruiting Latest Commit **3* RB Tyler Badie TN**

Posted on 6/4/17 at 8:52 pm to
Posted by wubilli
Columbia
Member since Apr 2014
5517 posts
Posted on 6/4/17 at 8:52 pm to
GP rarely got 5 of the top 10 instate recruits, which has generally been looked at as the goal for this class. If BO gets good players it wont matter where they are from.
Brown is really the only suprise to me if those 4 that have eliminated Mizzou.
Posted by muinsandiegp
San Diego
Member since Sep 2016
458 posts
Posted on 6/4/17 at 9:30 pm to
WU, BO will be very lucky to get even two. He will not get any based on his charisma or salesmanship but luck would seem to make it possible 2 may fall into his lap based on home state loyalty and family proximity.
Posted by wubilli
Columbia
Member since Apr 2014
5517 posts
Posted on 6/4/17 at 9:44 pm to
He's got to win games. After the STL Rivals camp, the national analyst said the feeling he got from Babb, Perkins, Trout and Thompson was that they wanted to come to Mizzou. But they wouldn't if Mizzou was coming off a year late me the last 2.
Posted by reedus23
St. Louis
Member since Sep 2011
25485 posts
Posted on 6/4/17 at 11:13 pm to
Dropping like flies. BO doing his best KA impression. He better win 8-10 games this year or he's going to start losing even more fans. Hell, the stadium is already 1/2 empty or more. His lackluster recruiting ain't going to fill it up.
Posted by reedus23
St. Louis
Member since Sep 2011
25485 posts
Posted on 6/4/17 at 11:15 pm to
I'd be shocked if he lands more than 2 of the instate kids. Well, 2 of the top 10. He might bring in #20 or something and we can all talk about another diamond in the rough and about how BO knows the state better than anyone else.
Posted by muinsandiegp
San Diego
Member since Sep 2016
458 posts
Posted on 6/4/17 at 11:35 pm to
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He might bring in #20 or something and we can all talk about another diamond in the rough


Posted by Zou brownmajic
Member since Sep 2013
3470 posts
Posted on 6/5/17 at 12:11 am to
Texas surprises me as his choice, but I don't get mad at these kids because they have the right to go wherever they please. Texas surprises me, because they have been bad for awhile.

Bluebloods and former bluebloods can wow these kids with trophies, national championships, rabid fans who fill their huge stadiums and being considered cool schools.These schools also get their fair share of the top recruits in their home states.

I have already predicted that Mizzou will get up to 2-3 players out of the Missouri ten or they might not get any at all. There are still 6 left.
This post was edited on 6/5/17 at 12:14 am
Posted by pauliebleaker
Chesterfield
Member since Jul 2014
1820 posts
Posted on 6/5/17 at 12:14 am to
Reedus- you mentioned before about justifying recruiting losses by claiming a player who commits elsewhere wasn't that good anyway. Well Adeoye is the best so far that we've lost and it sucks. Texas is a legitimate blueblood with hermann rebuilding. I get it but it still sucks.

While in scottsdale az this weekend i saw a big red store for nebraska fans. We really need a bigger footprint.
Posted by navynuke
Member since Jun 2016
4975 posts
Posted on 6/5/17 at 12:17 am to
As WU stated, they win some games with these kids in the stands and everything changes. That is more dependent on what Hill, Haley and Brian Odom do with their position groups than anything the HC is doing. Ford and Cross aren't going to quit recruiting him, either.
This post was edited on 6/5/17 at 12:21 am
Posted by muinsandiegp
San Diego
Member since Sep 2016
458 posts
Posted on 6/5/17 at 1:02 am to
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win some games with these kids in the stands and everything changes. That is more dependent on what Hill, Haley and Brian Odom do with their position groups than anything the HC is doing. Ford and Cross aren't going to quit recruiting him, either.


Navy, I really do not understanding what you are saying past that winning will help. Regarding the rest I am totally confused.

The HC is where it all starts and where the buck stops. BOs ego is why we have the current assts and who by his position is required to LEAD. Because he chose to avoid strong leaders who may have conflicted with his "ego" their shortcomings are his shortcomings, no excuses. This applies not only to on field performance but recruiting as well.
Posted by navynuke
Member since Jun 2016
4975 posts
Posted on 6/5/17 at 7:04 am to


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Because he chose to avoid strong leaders


Which coaches on the staff aren't strong leaders/coaches?

Is it the one that has coached 13 All conference players including 3 First team AAs and two FR AAs and 5 NFL draft picks?

Or is it the one that has coached in 3 National Championship games and developed a Heisman Trophy winner?

Possibly the coach that put 10 of his room's players in the NFL draft in 7 years?

Yeah, I bet those guys need a real heavy hand so they are maximizing the potential of the players in their room.

Posted by wubilli
Columbia
Member since Apr 2014
5517 posts
Posted on 6/5/17 at 8:10 am to
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you mentioned before about justifying recruiting losses by claiming a player who commits elsewhere wasn't that good anyway. Well Adeoye is the best so far that we've lost and it sucks.


I have always been amused by this. There was always a difference between the players that GP offered and missed on, compared to those that GP didn't really recruit. Players that GP missed on all pretty much went in to at least be good college players, with many of them going on to the NFL. The latest examples are Johnson and Elliot.
Posted by Tiger97
Member since Feb 2015
438 posts
Posted on 6/5/17 at 8:38 am to
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As WU stated, they win some games with these kids in the stands and everything changes. That is more dependent on what Hill, Haley and Brian Odom do with their position groups than anything the HC is doing. Ford and Cross aren't going to quit recruiting him, either.


Yes to this. Nothing is done until signing day. The Steers put up another season like the last few seasons and his commitment probably won't be so solid.

San Diego guy - Please get off this board.

I don't know what your deal is, but your negative view of Odom appears to be personal. Did he dump your daughter in college or something?

"The HC is where it all starts and where the buck stops. BOs ego is why we have the current assts and who by his position is required to LEAD. Because he chose to avoid strong leaders who may have conflicted with his "ego" their shortcomings are his shortcomings, no excuses. This applies not only to on field performance but recruiting as well."

What are you talking about? He has hired guys that have proven themselves at other successful P5 schools. He did not go hire a bunch of unproven D3 coaches. His OL coach choice is looking genius so far. His OC coach choice was a big step in the right direction after the monstrosity we saw in Pinkel's final year. He kept Ford and Hill for recruiting purposes.

Like many of your arguments on this board, this one makes no sense.
Posted by mitchs3
Member since May 2012
138 posts
Posted on 6/5/17 at 2:28 pm to
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BOs ego is why we have the current assts and who by his position is required to LEAD. Because he chose to avoid strong leaders who may have conflicted with his "ego" their shortcomings are his shortcomings, no excuses. This applies not only to on field performance but recruiting as well.


I guess this could explain a lot of SD's issues with HCBO - when I read this it screams "you didn't hire Coach Kul as your DC!" We'll never know how that would have worked out, but it did not appear that they would've necessarily worked well together.

In addition to being a true son, BO was in fact an in demand DC. It's not like if KState hires Snyder's son. If we make this hire a year later and someone like Les Miles is sitting there available maybe they go for the big name rather than promoting from within, but that's not what occurred. Big candidates weren't lining up to coach here and fight off all the baggage MU has acquired the last few years on the recruiting trail.

BO's the coach, and now he needs to win. If they can win 8+ games this year he has a chance to get some of the remaining MO kids or even flip some of those that have verballed elsewhere. They've not signed elsewhere yet. Winning is the key.

As for Adoye (sp), something I read said the DC at Texas (Orlando?) had previously successfully recruited his brother, so there was a familial connection.
Posted by Tiger97
Member since Feb 2015
438 posts
Posted on 6/5/17 at 2:40 pm to
Thanks mitchs3. The Kul angle does make sense.

Cross is the 1 hire that has backfired a bit on Odom. The CB coach did not last long, but was not a big negative. He just moved on.

Cross looked like a solid hire when it was made for many, many reasons. Things did not go so well last year on the field. Maybe things will improve this year, and we'll see how his recruits pan out.

And thanks for the Adoye explanation. Makes a bit more sense now.
Posted by wubilli
Columbia
Member since Apr 2014
5517 posts
Posted on 6/5/17 at 3:05 pm to
DL is the real hire that back fired. Wilson only last a month. Ship wasn't liked by his position group, then got into an altercation the morning of the Tennessee game with a player.

Cross wasn't good last year, he was also trying to install a defense that none of the defensive coaches had extensive background in. Cross has been key in several of the Texas recruits committing.
Posted by Tiger97
Member since Feb 2015
438 posts
Posted on 6/5/17 at 3:13 pm to
Correct wubilli.
I am hopeful Odom corrected the Shipp mistake with Haley. We have landed a lot of bodies for the DL since Haley arrived! We'll see what he can do with them.
Posted by outlawjoseywales
Memphis, TN
Member since Sep 2012
1836 posts
Posted on 6/6/17 at 2:54 pm to
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Nation’s No. 5 ILB AyodeleAdeoye commits to Texas


I thought Lovie had him all signed sealed and delivered to the Illini ?? I guess there will be no raping and pillaging of St. Louis by the orange and blue.
Posted by pauliebleaker
Chesterfield
Member since Jul 2014
1820 posts
Posted on 6/7/17 at 3:33 pm to
Ronnie perkins saying family first on twitter. Love this- LINK
Posted by Zou brownmajic
Member since Sep 2013
3470 posts
Posted on 6/9/17 at 6:08 pm to
CBC's wr Cameron Brown who committed to Nebraska. I wonder if he will honor his commit to Nebraska.

LINK
This post was edited on 6/9/17 at 9:34 pm
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