re: 2014 Mississippi State Recruiting thread.

Well, you are right, we did hold onto Jones and I'm glad we have made changes since 2011 BUT Jones should have never been a contest yet it was. Just like on their side Tony Conner should not have been a contest and it was NOT. And we did outrecruit OM in MS this year no doubt but I figure that is mostly because OM didn't heavily focus on MS given they were having such success with national recruits from all over the Southeast and Midwest. I mean why worry about guys like Thomas and Flowers when you can pick off 2 nationally ranked top 10 OTs in Tunsil and Golson. I would like to think they are drawing some unwanted attention from the NCAA but I will only believe it when I see it. SEC teams pretty much get away with murder under Slive anyway so I doubt OM will be any different.

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BUT Jones should have never been a contest yet it was.

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How could we avoid it? If you have any(real) insight into his recruitment, you know what(or more precisely who) "happened" to cause him to take the trips. I won't go into detail because it reflects badly on Jones when in fact it shouldn't. Ultimately, he is a Dawg.

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Just like on their side Tony Conner should not have been a contest and it was NOT.

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Again, insight is needed. Conner was very much a contest right until the bitter end. Just wasn't us in that game. OM burned long-term bridges with Lance Pogue over how Conner's recruitment went down(not that Pogue has the actual pull to change the OM machine in Batesville).

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SEC teams pretty much get away with murder under Slive anyway so I doubt OM will be any different.

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OM does not fall under the "protection" of the SEC any more than MSU does. At some point, Slive has to give a sacrificial lamb to the NCAA in order to keep the SEC affiliated with that organization. When has there EVER been a better sacrificial lamb than the current OM team given the nature of that recruiting class(and the rumors that they are already being looked at on multiple fronts)? If he protects them now, the SEC might as well break away and basically start their own organization, because NCAA rules no longer apply on any level whatsoever.

OM turned us in over a jacket and handshakes with Will Redmond. When Slive laughed at them about it, their "mouthpiece" De'Vinner went public and forced everyone's hand. Nevermind that we've got Bracky working double time to fry us. Do you really think that is going to work with the blatant cheating they're doing? Our booster network laid down and took it in 2001. That IS NOT happening this time. Just get ready for the sparks to fly -- because it's not just us that are after them this time.

UM will hear from the NCAA. They might not find anything, they might find something small, but they will be in touch.

Interesting on a couple of points, I think I understand sort of how OM got in the game with Jones but that will always be the case with them. They will always "weasel" into a situation in ways that we won't attempt because I think their boosters (the ones that count) have a much more "win at all cost" type attitude than ours.

Also, would certainly be interested in how OM ruffled Pogue's feathers on Conner, hadn't heard that one.

And on Redmond, the story being put out is that we turned ourselves in and then Devinner went public, hadn't really heard specifically that OM ratted on us on that one. Would be surprised for anyone living in a glass house like OM does that they would be turning anyone in. And so far, under Slive, NO SEC TEAM has faced any real harmful sanctions from the NCAA over recruiting violations. Yes, SC and TN and now maybe us may get some very minor slap on the wrist but I am talking about sanctions that would really damage the program. None of that has happened since Kramer's days.

Well it sounds like we are probably gonna get Toby Johnson.

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Well it sounds like we are probably gonna get Toby Johnson.

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That's a relief. At best he'll be some depth behind Quay and Nick, at worst he'll shore up a spot if Quay/Nick/PJ don't get their crap together. Although that does remind me I need to update the OP with how many slots we have this year . . .

Is Paul Jones reporting that?

Other posters have also said that his mom is sounding pretty positive for us.

fAll righty, time to do a scholly count. Not sure who does/doesn't have scholarships, but I'm gonna list everyone I think offhand does have one, then let y'all look at it, and once we're sure on it I'll edit it into the OP.

* = Senior

QB(3): Russell*, Dak, Williams
RB(5): Perkins*, Griffin, Josh, Milton, Shump
WR(10): Chappelle, RoJo, Jameon, Joe, Holloway, Brown, Ross, Wilson, Christy, Hammond
TE(5): MoJo, Rufus, Hill, Walley, Samuel
OL(13):Gabe*, Holley*, Siddoway*, Blaine, Malone, Damien, Senior, Carter, Muniz, Desper, Thomas, Flowers, Clayborn
DE(9): Autry*, Preston, Brown, Harrison-Gay, Harris, Dale, Jefferson, Jones, Simpson
DT(7): Quay, Eulls, Nick, PJ, Virges, Adams, Washington
LB(8): Skinner*, BMac, Wells, R. Brown, B. Brown, Brohan, Jackson, Dez Harris
CB(8):Cox, Love, Calhoun, Jiles, Redmond, Sills, Cleveland, Myles
S(8):Nickoe*, Arrington, Hughes, Market, Quad, Evans, Coman, Wells
SpTeams(2):Swede*, Bell
FB(1): Holmes

Total slots: 3+5+10+5+13+9+7+8+8+8+2+1= 79
Seniors:9
Available slots next year: 85 - (79-9) = 15


T = Total Commits
E = Early Enrollees
N = Normal Commits

T = E + N
T =<16
E =<8

EDIT: Redid the count and the math on 3/26/2013. Realized I had forgotten the EE's(-4 slots) and to my knowledge Sam Williams and Daniel Knox are no longer on the team(+2 slots). For a total of -2 slots.


EDIT(4/23/2013): Eric Lawson was not on the spring game roster, so I'm assuming he's gone. +1 slot. Also, did math for Basketball Signing Classes.

EDIT(7/23/2013):Removed basketball notes, Donald Gray, Cord Sandberg, and BJ Hammond from our roster as none of them have enrolled(+3 slots), and put Trent Simpson at DE(-1) for a total change of +2 slots.

EDIT(8/3/2013: Took out notes of 'incoming freshman' as they're all there now. I've seen BJ Hammond at the open practices, so I've added him back to the roster, making us lose a spot.

Holy shite. Thanks for putting in the time to do that.