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So Perplexed How UGA Keeps Landing Top Talent With 0 Results Shown
Posted on 6/1/21 at 9:32 pm
Posted on 6/1/21 at 9:32 pm
I am obviously no Mullen fan but anyone with a brain can see he utilizes offensive talent at a exponentially higher level than anything Kirby has done at UGA. So my question is — How, how is UGA continuously landing this talent when they are constantly pissing it away? It made sense to me after 2017 because they looked like Bama 2.0 that season and they were the hot new kid on the block that everyone wanted to be a part of. But that was 4 years ago. I figured the blue chips would see Kirby for the fraud he is but they are still grabbing recruits. Gilbert would be a guaranteed top 10 pick here under Mullen and he still went to UGA.
If it’s really as simple as “money” than why tf aren’t we doing it?
If it’s really as simple as “money” than why tf aren’t we doing it?
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Posted on 6/1/21 at 11:07 pm to FireDanMullen
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If it’s really as simple as “money” than why tf aren’t we doing it?
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1990-09-20-sp-1301-story.html
"Florida Escapes NCAA’s ‘Death Penalty’"
Opposing teams never want to hear it, but you'll notice that we were the only championship basketball team not to be investigated. And while we're not paying, Georgia is clearly just paying the most.
Honestly, would you be surprised tomorrow if Georgia was being investigated? I don't think anyone would. It's the same thing with Arik: We wouldn't take him due to grades (this is widely known) and they would, somehow the rules get bent and nO oNe KnOwS wHaT hApPeNed.
It is what it is, they can pay them boys all they want to get themselves stomped in Jax every year roll damn Gator.
Posted on 6/2/21 at 6:42 am to FireDanMullen
Because what is important to us as fans doesn’t mean as much to recruits. The Athletic had a great article about this in the fall. Basically a championship was way down the list for recruits. Getting to the NFL and facilities among others were the highest if I remember correctly. I’ll have to look it up but I’m pretty sure I started a topic about it on the recruiting board.
Posted on 6/2/21 at 7:52 am to FireDanMullen
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Gilbert would be a guaranteed top 10 pick here under Mullen and he still went to UGA.
We all saw what a special talent Kyle Pitts was but I don't think Gilbert has that kind of work ethic. And if Trask was there for two more years I would agree with you but Jones and Richardson are different molds of qbs and most Gator fans think it will be a more run oriented offense now.
Posted on 6/2/21 at 5:28 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
$$ makes strange bedfellows, when a recruit doesnt get his way or finds out XZY got mo $$ the crap will hit the fan and the NCAA will be forced to look the dawgs program. Media attention would be red hot if a recruit starts yelling enough.
Posted on 6/2/21 at 7:46 pm to reel_gator8
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$$ makes strange bedfellows, when a recruit doesnt get his way or finds out XZY got mo $$ the crap will hit the fan and the NCAA will be forced to look the dawgs program. Media attention would be red hot if a recruit starts yelling enough.
You'd think after all these years of teams like Bama, Clemson, UGA, AU, etc. . . cheating that something would actually happen by now
Posted on 6/2/21 at 11:42 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
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You'd think after all these years of teams like Bama, Clemson, UGA, AU, etc. . . cheating that something would actually happen by now
I would expect it to come right before the NCAA actually went forth with paying athletes which is probably a bad idea, but I mean those schools are literally just waiting for one good snitch and that entire house of cards comes tumbling down.
I feel far more comfortable being in our position and getting decent classes and getting results than clearly buying players and just waiting for something to happen.
Posted on 6/3/21 at 12:32 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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I would expect it to come right before the NCAA actually went forth with paying athletes
What makes you say this?
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I feel far more comfortable being in our position and getting decent classes and getting results than clearly buying players and just waiting for something to happen.
Do you feel more comfortable because you feel like UF doesn't pay as often as other schools?
Posted on 6/3/21 at 1:56 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
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I would expect it to come right before the NCAA actually went forth with paying athletes
What makes you say this?
It's just a hypothesis at this time, but my guess would be a combination of:
Making a point. (About cheating for the future.)
If it helps with ratings. (I think Alabama has throttled CFP views.)
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/alabama-football/national-championship-game-delivers-lowest-ratings-in-over-a-decade/
But most of all there has been a lot of smoke of people suggesting, Georgia, specifically, is cheating. Even outside of tRant, if you asked other teams why Georgia consistently gets people despite their results they will tell you: They get paid.
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/georgia-football/fans-all-made-the-same-joke-after-georgia-landed-pair-of-5-star-transfers/
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Do you feel more comfortable because you feel like UF doesn't pay as often as other schools?
Yes.
Proportion matters. I don't know why Georgia fans insist on dying on this hill that they're clearly not cheating more than other schools. I mean, it is literally obvious to any fan who isn't a Georgia fan.
Posted on 6/3/21 at 8:37 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Am I reading that right, you think because the ratings for the CFP are down that it would influence the NCAA to start cracking down on teams? Wouldn't it start with Bama, Clemson, and OSU then since they've been there the most?
I don't doubt that people think UGA is cheating. Before Kirby people said UGA should do better in recruiting when we were finishing 6-10 every year and now that we're finishing in the top 3 it's only because we're cheating?
Who's dying on a hill? I asked a question because you said you felt comfortable with it and I wanted more clarification. To me cheating is cheating. If you're paying $50,000 or $100,000 you're still cheating.
I don't doubt that people think UGA is cheating. Before Kirby people said UGA should do better in recruiting when we were finishing 6-10 every year and now that we're finishing in the top 3 it's only because we're cheating?
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Proportion matters. I don't know why Georgia fans insist on dying on this hill that they're clearly not cheating more than other schools. I mean, it is literally obvious to any fan who isn't a Georgia fan.
Who's dying on a hill? I asked a question because you said you felt comfortable with it and I wanted more clarification. To me cheating is cheating. If you're paying $50,000 or $100,000 you're still cheating.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 12:23 am to Porter Osborne Jr
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Am I reading that right, you think because the ratings for the CFP are down that it would influence the NCAA to start cracking down on teams? Wouldn't it start with Bama, Clemson, and OSU then since they've been there the most?
Absolutely.
If it meant adding more parity and getting more interest, there is no doubt in my mind that the NCAA would take money over anything else, it hasn't reached that point but I digress:
You're really just waiting for the NCAA to bust you, every year, honestly. I'd much rather be in our position and feel very comfortable.
Saying "well it hasn't happened yet" is silly, and honestly if you guys aren't worried about it eventually creeping up, you should be. Especially if you guys somehow manage to go without a Championship this year, it just pretty much proves that you guys can pump millions of dollars into your team and still can't achieve the end goal.
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Who's dying on a hill? I asked a question because you said you felt comfortable with it and I wanted more clarification. To me cheating is cheating. If you're paying $50,000 or $100,000 you're still cheating.
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Proportion Lives Matters
We're not talking about 50,000 - 100,000.
We're talking Georgia spending 3.6 million above the water on recruiting.
Or roughly 1 million more than Alabama.
Three times that of Florida.
Again, this is above water, who knows how much cash you guys are pumping into recruits, favors, jobs, cars etc..
Anyway, I wouldn't doubt that Kirby's tenure will end in a recruiting scandal, which will probably get you guys a coach who can actually do something with the talent that UGA is buying.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 5:26 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
We're fans. Why should we be worried. It's not going to impact my life one way or the other And it's the NCAA which has proven they aren't going to do anything. They could go after UF for doing similar things if they wanted to but they don't. This isn't the NCAA of the 1980's where they try and impose their will. They're more like grandparents who turn a blind eye to most things.
No shite. We were talking about cheating not recruiting budgets.
I'm sure you do but it seems like you're letting your hatred of UGA get to you since I don't see you thinking the same thing about other coaches.
And it's the NCAA which has proven they aren't going to do anything. They could go after UF for doing similar things if they wanted to but they don't. This isn't the NCAA of the 1980's where they try and impose their will. They're more like grandparents who turn a blind eye to most things. quote:
We're not talking about 50,000 - 100,000.
We're talking Georgia spending 3.6 million above the water on recruiting.
Or roughly 1 million more than Alabama.
Three times that of Florida.
No shite. We were talking about cheating not recruiting budgets.
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Anyway, I wouldn't doubt that Kirby's tenure will end in a recruiting scandal,
I'm sure you do but it seems like you're letting your hatred of UGA get to you since I don't see you thinking the same thing about other coaches.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 8:27 am to Porter Osborne Jr
Kirby is cheating and lying his arse off. Deep down Peter knows it or else he would not be doing the "everyone else is doing it".
Your shitty state politicians changed your FOIA laws so Kirby could cheat.
UGA keeps getting 5 star DLs but they end up not getting drafted.
UGA: Doing less with more since 1981.
Your shitty state politicians changed your FOIA laws so Kirby could cheat.
UGA keeps getting 5 star DLs but they end up not getting drafted.
UGA: Doing less with more since 1981.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 8:38 am to BloodSweat&Beers
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Kirby is cheating and lying his arse off. Deep down Peter knows it or else he would not be doing the "everyone else is doing it".
If you thought UF was doing would you act any different than I am? I never once said we aren't cheating
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Your shitty state politicians changed your FOIA laws so Kirby could cheat.
How is changing the FOIA laws helping him cheat?
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UGA keeps getting 5 star DLs but they end up not getting drafted.
Who besides Trent Thompson?
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UGA: Doing less with more since 1981.
I can appreciate you actually saying 1981 instead of the incorrect 1980
Posted on 6/4/21 at 10:05 am to Porter Osborne Jr
I don't accuse other teams of cheating, but that doesn't stop me from hating them.
especially the mutts and the semi-holes.
Peter
especially the mutts and the semi-holes.
Peter
This post was edited on 6/4/21 at 10:06 am
Posted on 6/4/21 at 10:36 am to UFMatt
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I don't accuse other teams of cheating, but that doesn't stop me from hating them.
I assume every P5 program is cheating and pretty much most other G5 and D1AA schools since I've seen it at all of those levels.
Honestly, I don't hate any programs. Some fans may be more annoying at times, especially on the Rant.
UFMutt
Posted on 6/4/21 at 3:23 pm to BloodSweat&Beers
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Kirby is cheating and lying his arse off. Deep down Peter knows it or else he would not be doing the "everyone else is doing it"
That's the Georgia Cope.
No, not everyone has the most 5-stars in the country despite never having won a National Championship and consistently underperforming since the second year (which he did with Richt's players).
"It's weird, this guy Kirby, he has 16 5-stars vs. 12 for Alabama, even though Alabama wins National Championships."
Porter: Everyone's...everyone's doing the same thing, right? Haha, I mean, yeah, Kirby's just a really convincing guy, right?
Nah, fam, Kirby is cheating a lot, and it will eventually come home to roost.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 5:09 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Your problem is that you are placing too much emphasis on winning championships. That’s no where near the top for recruits. UGA checks off a lot of the boxes for them.
You’ve said the same shite for 5 years now about a house of cards or coming to roost. It probably ain’t gonna happen but you keep hoping it’s going to happen. And you have quite possibly the dumbest, dirtiest coach on your own staff in Grantham but you keep on crying about mUh hOuSe oF cArDs.
You’ve said the same shite for 5 years now about a house of cards or coming to roost. It probably ain’t gonna happen but you keep hoping it’s going to happen. And you have quite possibly the dumbest, dirtiest coach on your own staff in Grantham but you keep on crying about mUh hOuSe oF cArDs.
This post was edited on 6/4/21 at 5:10 pm
Posted on 6/4/21 at 6:01 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
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You’ve said the same shite for 5 years now about a house of cards or coming to roost. It probably ain’t gonna happen but you keep hoping it’s going to happen. And you have quite possibly the dumbest, dirtiest coach on your own staff in Grantham but you keep on crying about mUh hOuSe oF cArDs.
Also said that we were catching up with you guys and you saw how it turned out last year.
Anyway, just realize that you guys are 100% on borrowed time, so hopefully you guys can win a championship that'll just be vacated in a few years anyway.
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winning championships. That’s no where near the top for recruits. UGA checks off a lot of the boxes for them.
Well, it's the same as their fans at least. Not expecting championships.
I just don't understand spending all of that money if you don't want championships, and for them:
So Arik Gilbert is happy with TE production for Georgia?
That dual-threat QB you guys just picked up liked what he's seen from Dwan Mathis?
Sure, they must check a lot of boxes, or just have a bunch of checks.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 8:33 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Also said that we were catching up with you guys and you saw how it turned out last year.
To quote your fearless leader, "even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while".
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Anyway, just realize that you guys are 100% on borrowed time, so hopefully you guys can win a championship that'll just be vacated in a few years anyway.
Same applies to UF.
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Sure, they must check a lot of boxes, or just have a bunch of checks.
Here are some quotes from D1 college coaches from every league.
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the majority of what they care about is the totality of the program, the long-term record, the facilities, the people and the track record of people in the NFL.
This quote is on the biggest misconceptions.
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“Probably that the history of a school and tradition and anything they have done previously in their history outside of the past five years matters to recruits.”
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“That winning influences recruiting greatly. Winning does help, but it’s not like you win a big game and all the kids wanna just commit. Kids are smarter than the general public gives them credit for. They want a relationship. They want to know they’re getting a degree. They want their parents to be able to visit. And all these kids believe in themselves that they’re going to create a winning environment.”
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“People with the ability to connect, you know, with the average person. Everybody thinks the X’s and O’s are what people come for. No, people go to big-time programs because they connect with the real people at those programs.
“I think it’s your ability to connect with other people that makes you really, really good. If you can’t connect, you’re not gonna land kids in 2020, in this time and age, it’s all the little things, too. Ryan Day wears Air Max 95’s and now the whole staff rocks those on the sideline, and guess what, the kids like those, too? That’s making a connection and being a real person.”
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“The ability to relate, wherever that may be. I’ll have them talk to me about their girlfriends. I’m no expert, but I’ll hear them out. That way they know I care about them as a human being. It’s about the ability to create a relationship and be able to relate to people who are very different than you.”
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You also have to build relationships with the kids and do your due diligence with the coaches and the families.
Great article but it costs money.
All from this article with 15 anonymous recruiters. Not a one mentioned championships being important but you can keep on burying your head in the sand thinking that winning a national championship or even a conference championship means anything to them.
On a separate note, if you aren't a subscriber to the Athletic then you're missing out. It's the last great sports journalism left.
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