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Posted on 3/5/18 at 5:13 pm to boXerrumble
Posted on 3/5/18 at 5:13 pm to boXerrumble
quote:Who wanted to fire him?
Mike White - 3/3 on 20+ win seasons.
Everyone still want to fire the man?
If you're asking if there are still doubts about his ability to run a program long-term, then, yes, they still exist. Next year without Chiozza, and the year after without Kevaughn, will be interesting.
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Posted on 3/5/18 at 7:26 pm to GatorsGators
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Who wanted to fire him?
There's always the crazies on the fringe. I think it's largely the product of following a legend, but then I remember a small group that wanted to part ways with Donovan the few years before 2006.
Posted on 3/5/18 at 9:46 pm to Gatorbait2008
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His lack of coaching has shown many times this year. He is a good coach, but not elite. He has struggled to change his game plan when it isn't working.
How in Gods name did we get so damn many Quad wins early in the season? Luck? Poor coaching? Give it a damn rest dude. Why in hell call him a good coach at all? According to you he doesn't know how to coach.
Posted on 3/5/18 at 11:04 pm to bgator85
quote:Sure but I feel like people who overreact whenever a coach is criticized try to equate any criticism with crazies wanting his head.
There's always the crazies on the fringe. I think it's largely the product of following a legend, but then I remember a small group that wanted to part ways with Donovan the few years before 2006.
I mean I was melting after the two losses to UGA and Vanderbilt and said a few things on the SECR that weren't very nice about White but I never wanted or expected him to be gone after this season. Obviously we're coming off an Elite Eight and have a Top 25 class incoming, so White is going to get a really long leash. But that doesn't mean he's above criticism.
This team honestly should be in the mix for a top two seed. But we've had a bad habit of letting teams back into games after having big leads late and that's not something you should see from such an experienced team. And, contrary to most fan's scapegoat, it hasn't really been about interior defense. Our offense gets complacent with a lead and we settle for bad shots. And on defense, we've been terrible on switches.
But the ultimate barometer of success will always be the tournament, and I'm still optimistic about this team's potential in a tournament scenario. If there's a Donovan team that this team is most like it's probably the Beal/Boynton/Erv team (although we don't have a post nearly as good as Young or any player touching Beal's talent). That team was up-and-down like this one.
Donovan had teams that were up-and-down but he ran a program masterfully always bringing in highly-rated four-year guys with the occasional one-and-done type. Sometimes the pieces click; sometimes they don't. Afterall a college coach is as much a GM as a coach.
So before I'm on the "White will be our coach until he decides not to be" train, I want to see him succeed with a team that's not mostly Donovan recruits. And that'll start next season.
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Posted on 3/6/18 at 9:58 pm to GatorsGators
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Sure but I feel like people who overreact whenever a coach is criticized try to equate any criticism with crazies wanting his head.
No doubt. I don't think anyone is beyond criticism, and there are times valid critiques get lumped in incorrectly with those that go overboard.
I'm looking forward to seeing a team built of White's guys for his system. I'm a fan of this incoming class, definitely needed to get some big time guards.
Posted on 3/8/18 at 9:02 am to GatorsGators
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So before I'm on the "White will be our coach until he decides not to be" train, I want to see him succeed with a team that's not mostly Donovan recruits. And that'll start next season.
Hudson, Egor, Hayes, Stone, Ballard, Okaru, Allen (yes, White had to re-recruit him) are all White recruits.
Chiozza is the main holdover from the Donovan era.
Posted on 3/8/18 at 2:48 pm to GatorsGators
I think the issues with him is the way he ran the team this year. We should have be playing the entire season like we have been playing lately. We are a smaller team that shoots 3s. So we need to push the ball down the court and cause mismatches to of set the other team using their size against us . Improved recruiting would be nice too .
Posted on 3/8/18 at 4:27 pm to tjv305
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I think the issues with him is the way he ran the team this year. We should have be playing the entire season like we have been playing lately. We are a smaller team that shoots 3s. So we need to push the ball down the court and cause mismatches to of set the other team using their size against us . Improved recruiting would be nice too .
We've been able to push pace because the guys have drastically improved on defense. We were really bad in transition most of the year, but they've bought in and playing at a different level on that end of the floor.
I think the recruiting will continue to improve as he continues to establish himself, but it's not as if it has been poor. He has 3 of 4 classes (including transition) in the top 20, that's pretty good in college basketball. I like this current class. The team is imbalanced towards the frontcourt, we needed a nice haul of guards.
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Posted on 3/8/18 at 5:22 pm to boXerrumble
quote:Hayes, Stone, and Allen were all Donovan signings. Yeah, White needed to re-recruit Allen but he's not here without Donovan/Pelphrey.
Hudson, Egor, Hayes, Stone, Ballard, Okaru, Allen (yes, White had to re-recruit him) are all White recruits.
Chiozza is the main holdover from the Donovan era.
And Ballard has barely made an impact. Okauru is a nice young player but he's been in exclusively a complementary role
White has done a good job of getting transfers but bringing in and developing four-year players is still the foundation of any successful program and so far White has a TBD there
Posted on 3/10/18 at 12:40 am to reel_gator8
When will the blind homerism of Gator fans ever win.
He has shown FAR to many examples of not knowing what to do in games to claim he is an elite coach by any means. He is a decent coach, not great, and far from elite.
He has to step up every angle of his game. Defensive coaching, offensive game planning, and recruiting or he will never win anything major at UF. Simple as that. He only shows positives of loses? What about making your players be men and watch the tape to see what they did wrong so they learn from mistakes...because they clearly haven't all year.
He has shown FAR to many examples of not knowing what to do in games to claim he is an elite coach by any means. He is a decent coach, not great, and far from elite.
He has to step up every angle of his game. Defensive coaching, offensive game planning, and recruiting or he will never win anything major at UF. Simple as that. He only shows positives of loses? What about making your players be men and watch the tape to see what they did wrong so they learn from mistakes...because they clearly haven't all year.
Posted on 3/10/18 at 9:56 am to Gatorbait2008
2008 when will your blind kneejerk reactionary shite end? You couldn't wait til we lost a game to come here and blather, but you would have stayed in your hole if we had won...no?
We could argue needlessly...having our best inside guy all year really hurt us..etc etc. but the fact remains you want to see black n white only....chill bro.
We could argue needlessly...having our best inside guy all year really hurt us..etc etc. but the fact remains you want to see black n white only....chill bro.
Posted on 3/10/18 at 10:20 am to Gatorbait2008
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When will the blind homerism of Gator fans ever win.
He has shown FAR to many examples of not knowing what to do in games to claim he is an elite coach by any means. He is a decent coach, not great, and far from elite.
He has to step up every angle of his game. Defensive coaching, offensive game planning, and recruiting or he will never win anything major at UF. Simple as that. He only shows positives of loses? What about making your players be men and watch the tape to see what they did wrong so they learn from mistakes...because they clearly haven't all year.
A couple of things...
White has said all year (and its pretty damn obvious to people who have watched every game) that this team has a leadership problem. No one is vocal. Everyone is quiet. White has a handle on how to manage this team. If this team needs to be coached positively, then so be it.
The defensive improvement throughout this season has been astonishing. Before last night's game, UF was 19th in adjusted defensive efficiency in the entire country... Think about that given this teams OBVIOUS limitations in the post. That is coaching.
He has gotten the guys to play hard every game. UF hasn't always played smart, but they've played hard. That is also a tribute to White.
And anyone who says this team should run up and down the floor for 40 minutes is fricking stupid. You cannot play at that pace for 40 minutes every game. Okaru is not ready for major minutes yet, hence the 3-4 minute scoring droughts that usually happen when Chiozza is out of the game.
And your point about recruiting? White has had top 25 classes, and contrary to popular belief, UF is NOT viewed as a basketball school, even when Billy D was here. He has 3 top 100 players coming in next year, with Bassett, Hayes, Stokes, Stone, and Johnson all coming back, so we should be fine with bigs.
Your nonsensical diatribe about White the last few weeks needs to stop because its pretty clear to me you don't watch a lot of basketball.
Posted on 3/11/18 at 5:54 pm to boXerrumble
Yeah, I really don’t get the defensive complaint. The team has made drastic improvements on defense over the year, not even close to how we started and that shows in all of the metrics.
And in recruiting, next year we will have at least 9 Top 100 players on the roster. We’ve had back to back top 20 recruiting classes and 3 in the last 4. This is pretty similar to what Donovan was doing, building around top 100 level talent that will stick around for 3 or 4 years.
And in recruiting, next year we will have at least 9 Top 100 players on the roster. We’ve had back to back top 20 recruiting classes and 3 in the last 4. This is pretty similar to what Donovan was doing, building around top 100 level talent that will stick around for 3 or 4 years.
Posted on 3/11/18 at 8:18 pm to bgator85
Yea was an emotional response to the loss his defensive coaching was good this year.
However; he was bought in for his AAU ties. Hasn't panned out, at all. Even Vandy is pulling elite players in, he has to step it up. His recruiting is more Mac than Meyer, and while I know we aren't a traditional power, he can still pull better than he has so far.
As for coaching. In game he does not adjust well if the 3 isn't falling. We can all agree there, correct?
He hasn't used tempo well. We struggle in slow games, and it shows with the impressive wins when playing quickly. Up tempo just works for this team. So claiming we can't do it is absurd. We can do it. Not a full 40 minutes, but when the three isn't falling or a cold streak hits, then you need to force pace to create easy looks. We do the exact opposite. We go stagnant. That's on White. Force the issue when it's not falling easily.
He also can't figure out how to beat a zone. Any time we get zoned, we are in trouble. UCLA ran a few zones this year if I remember correctly, and I am betting they switch to it. They have a lot of guard talent like us, so they can run a small zone on us and force us to play from the top of the key. Which our bigs struggle to do so it would all be on Chiz driving and creating which is a lot to ask.
Simply put. How many games have we said..damn..great coaching..and how many games have we been perplexed by decisions made? Now he is young. He can improve. I'm not even remotely saying fire him right now.
I'm simply saying..he has a lot of work to do to get to the expected level Donovan created. He doesn't have to be Billy. But he can't be our Tubby either.
However; he was bought in for his AAU ties. Hasn't panned out, at all. Even Vandy is pulling elite players in, he has to step it up. His recruiting is more Mac than Meyer, and while I know we aren't a traditional power, he can still pull better than he has so far.
As for coaching. In game he does not adjust well if the 3 isn't falling. We can all agree there, correct?
He hasn't used tempo well. We struggle in slow games, and it shows with the impressive wins when playing quickly. Up tempo just works for this team. So claiming we can't do it is absurd. We can do it. Not a full 40 minutes, but when the three isn't falling or a cold streak hits, then you need to force pace to create easy looks. We do the exact opposite. We go stagnant. That's on White. Force the issue when it's not falling easily.
He also can't figure out how to beat a zone. Any time we get zoned, we are in trouble. UCLA ran a few zones this year if I remember correctly, and I am betting they switch to it. They have a lot of guard talent like us, so they can run a small zone on us and force us to play from the top of the key. Which our bigs struggle to do so it would all be on Chiz driving and creating which is a lot to ask.
Simply put. How many games have we said..damn..great coaching..and how many games have we been perplexed by decisions made? Now he is young. He can improve. I'm not even remotely saying fire him right now.
I'm simply saying..he has a lot of work to do to get to the expected level Donovan created. He doesn't have to be Billy. But he can't be our Tubby either.
Posted on 3/11/18 at 8:26 pm to Gatorbait2008
The good news though.
Is if we get St Bonnie...we go to the Sweet 16. Texas Tech is a great draw as the three..and could lose their first round. UCLA will be a toss up if we play them. They did really well late in the year to get into the tourney.
Is if we get St Bonnie...we go to the Sweet 16. Texas Tech is a great draw as the three..and could lose their first round. UCLA will be a toss up if we play them. They did really well late in the year to get into the tourney.
Posted on 3/11/18 at 9:00 pm to Gatorbait2008
I like our draw, not the best we could have hoped for, but think we have a good chance of making it out of the first weekend which would be a pretty big success.
Posted on 3/11/18 at 9:15 pm to bgator85
Anybody with insights on good seats in Dallas? I'm heading their Thursday morning to watch the boys. I'm wondering if I might get good deals on a couple early team fans leaving after they lose???
Posted on 3/12/18 at 2:55 am to GatorNation4Lyfe
Chances would be greater if we played & favorite teams lose early. But not much action before our game in Dally.
Posted on 3/12/18 at 11:14 am to reel_gator8
This. Tech will have a large group of fans there if they advance. If they get upset, their tickets will be on the market for really, really cheap
Posted on 3/13/18 at 11:12 am to Gatorbait2008
Well let's go SFA...
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