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Posted on 12/2/13 at 7:52 pm to gatordmb89
Posted on 12/2/13 at 7:52 pm to gatordmb89
I was just reading an article on Bleacher Report, and they posted some candidates:
Lane Kiffin- While the oc at usc they won 23 out of 26 games.
Tony Franklin(oc at Cal)- They rank 3rd in the Pac 12 in passing. While at Troy they ranked 2nd in the conference. Also he worked with Muschamp at Auburn.
Seth Littrell(oc at Indiana)- Last year they led the Big10 in passing yards and ranked 17th nationally. This year they're ranked 2nd in total offence in Big10, and they average more than 500 yards per game.
Phillip Montgomery (oc at Baylor)- They lead the country with an average of 634.4 yards per game. Florida has the money to bring him here rather than him be a hc.
Joker Phillips- He is familiar with the SEC and knows the programs ins and outs and what the players are capable of. This is also the safest hire.
Now im not saying these are mine but this is just what the article said.
Lane Kiffin- While the oc at usc they won 23 out of 26 games.
Tony Franklin(oc at Cal)- They rank 3rd in the Pac 12 in passing. While at Troy they ranked 2nd in the conference. Also he worked with Muschamp at Auburn.
Seth Littrell(oc at Indiana)- Last year they led the Big10 in passing yards and ranked 17th nationally. This year they're ranked 2nd in total offence in Big10, and they average more than 500 yards per game.
Phillip Montgomery (oc at Baylor)- They lead the country with an average of 634.4 yards per game. Florida has the money to bring him here rather than him be a hc.
Joker Phillips- He is familiar with the SEC and knows the programs ins and outs and what the players are capable of. This is also the safest hire.
Now im not saying these are mine but this is just what the article said.
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Posted on 12/2/13 at 7:56 pm to Louisiana Gator
Appreciate the list.
Out of those guys, it seems like Kiffin or Phillips would be the most plausible. I just get the feeling Montgomery is up for a HC job and Littrell and Franklin haven't really popped up on any radars (not that it means anything
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Out of those guys, it seems like Kiffin or Phillips would be the most plausible. I just get the feeling Montgomery is up for a HC job and Littrell and Franklin haven't really popped up on any radars (not that it means anything
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Posted on 12/2/13 at 9:37 pm to GatorsGators
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And, either way, we won our '06 championship mainly because of our defense, and that was with the spread. The idea that having a fast-paced offense precludes you from fielding a solid defense is a
What TEAM were you watching in 2006 ???? Chris Leak was the qb not Tebow and one thing Leak wasn't is a spread qb. Meyer TRIED to make Leak a spread qb and that proved to be horrible move in 2005-06. Tebow was true frosh and came in ONLY in short yardage situations.
The pro style offense will work with our personnel IF we can get Driskel to stay upright and we have a tight end available to keep defenses honest up the middle. We recruited two highly sought after TE recruits two years ago and this year they never saw the field...one was Colin Thompson who I think is destined to convert to OL...but maybe not since we like to put as many as 7 OL on field sometimes on short yardage needs. Kent Taylor started his last true frosh game and didn't play this year...both may have had injuries and add to the toll we paid this year.
Another thought is the uptempo semi spread game that a few teams use in addition the core pro set. Boom is going to want a) ball security b) chains moved c) scores made in red zone d)snaps to keep defense somewhat rested. You simply switch up gears when time on clock, score of game, field position all merit a change. The core foundation doesn't change...just added features to keep defenses guessing.
The ONE thing I wanna see is screen passes to rbs/fbs/TEs to keep defenses from blitzing too often. We haven't had that facet even with Meyer.
I know one thing....we switch to a true spread offense and someone will have to deliver the news to Mr Taylor that his son is going to be in a totally different offense than he thought. If you recall, we had a helluva time recruiting a quality rb with the spread because qb IS the main runner and you don't dot an I. Its a finesse offense and I got sick of it with Meyer when our offense's philosophy was to avoid contact.
Posted on 12/2/13 at 9:46 pm to reel_gator8
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.just check some of these fast tempo style offenses and they ALL lack stout defenses.
Baylor ranks 27th in college football in points allowed giving up only 22.2 points per game. They run the fastest hurry up offense in the country.
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ETA: I am not asking for a HUNH offense. I do like spread offenses however.
This post was edited on 12/2/13 at 9:55 pm
Posted on 12/2/13 at 9:49 pm to reel_gator8
Sure, Urban adapted to Leak (good coaches adapt to their personnel), but even that offense was far from the pro-style Muschamp has run. It wasn't the true spread we ran with Tebow, but it wasn't exactly based on a power-run game and ball control, which is what Muschamp seems to want.
And we had a great defense.
Driskel isn't a pro-style QB. He has no pocket instincts. None. It's time to adapt to our personnel. Not asking for a HUNH, but some variation of the spread is pretty much a necessity.
I'm sure KT would fit in well to any system. Look at what Tre Mason is doing at Auburn. He's done pretty well even with Nick Marshall carrying a lot of the load running the ball.
And we had a great defense.
Driskel isn't a pro-style QB. He has no pocket instincts. None. It's time to adapt to our personnel. Not asking for a HUNH, but some variation of the spread is pretty much a necessity.
I'm sure KT would fit in well to any system. Look at what Tre Mason is doing at Auburn. He's done pretty well even with Nick Marshall carrying a lot of the load running the ball.
This post was edited on 12/2/13 at 9:50 pm
Posted on 12/2/13 at 9:57 pm to GatorsGators
Florida, for whatever reason, doesn't produce a ton of larger pro-style backs. However, there are large quantities of spread style backs to go around. I'm fine with the spread. Just put some points on the board. I would have loved to see the pro set work here but three years of failure is enough. Try something new. Mix it up.
Gator bait is reporting that Norvell from ASU is being brought up. That seems interesting but not sure about him recruiting in the SEC.
Gator bait is reporting that Norvell from ASU is being brought up. That seems interesting but not sure about him recruiting in the SEC.
Posted on 12/2/13 at 10:04 pm to reel_gator8
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I know one thing....we switch to a true spread offense and someone will have to deliver the news to Mr Taylor that his son is going to be in a totally different offense than he thought.
Someone better tell Mr. Driskel that his son is going to be in a totally different offense then he thought.
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If you recall, we had a helluva time recruiting a quality rb with the spread
Gilleslie was a damn fine RB and he was recruited for the spread.
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offense's philosophy was to avoid contact.
Might have less injuries with that philosophy.
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avoid contact
Jesus Christ man Tim Tebow was the centerpiece of the offense and was asked repeatedly to run up the middle for a first down knowing he was gonna get a helluva lot of contact.
Posted on 12/3/13 at 6:45 am to olemc999
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Someone better tell Mr. Driskel that his son is going to be in a totally different offense then he thought.
If you recall...Driskel was recruited as Muschamp was hired and knew that things were changing...but point taken. The spread has its core on being finesse and "spreading the field" as you use speed and deception (all teams use some deception of course)
Gillespie was not a large pro style rb when recruited at all
We all want the Gators to be successful. Any stats involving Big 12 or Pac 12 are bogus to me in terms of defense....and even to a degree the offense because of rushing stats...if one of the tejas schools is ranked top 15 in passing..what makes that OC qualified? Boom is going to want rushing yds to compliment his stout defense.
Im afraid too many young posters want style without substance and there are video games for that
Disagree regarding Driskels ability to operate pro offense. You must not have watched Driskels performance in the Elite 11 competition at end of his senior high school season. He won the camp and by the way...so did Winston a few yrs later.
He was basically a r/s frosh in 2012 with tight competition all through spring, summer and fall camps...hardly enough reps to give edge, he delivered big wins for us. He helped us beat A&M on the freaking road in their first SEC game, girls school on the road, etc etc. I feel sure he played from mid season on last year with hurt ankle(s) and if you ever had to play qb with sprained ankles...it aint fun to plant feet. He was also instructed to be very careful with the ball...with our great defense (Elam, Floyd etc etc) you only need offense to not get in the way and hurt it. Result? He played too careful imo.
I cant wait for 2014 and watch the Gators surprise some folks....if we don't...I will hold door open for Boom to leave. Speaking of injuries, we let the OC & OL coaches go...what about all our injuries? WHO should be responsible if at all? Training staff? S&C?
This post was edited on 12/3/13 at 7:06 am
Posted on 12/3/13 at 9:43 am to reel_gator8
You can still run with power in the spread. Tebow? Moore? Moody?
You just spread out the defense to force LBs to cover WRs instead of blocking them.
You just spread out the defense to force LBs to cover WRs instead of blocking them.
Posted on 12/3/13 at 10:33 am to BasedGator
Looks like Kiffen is off the list according to 247
Posted on 12/3/13 at 3:32 pm to reel_gator8
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Any stats involving Big 12 or Pac 12 are bogus to me in terms of defense
Auburn is ranked 31st in points allowed giving up 22.5 points per game.
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Boom is going to want rushing yds to compliment his stout defense.
Auburn 318.3 rushing yards per game. #5
Oregon 278.3 rushing yards per game. #9
Baylor 269.2 rushing yards per game. #11
Spread teams run the ball more then they pass.
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Numbers never lie Reel numbers never lie.
Posted on 12/3/13 at 3:47 pm to BasedGator
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You just spread out the defense to force LBs to cover WRs instead of blocking them.
My favorite element of the spread. When the linebackers go out to cover the receivers you keep hitting the inside zone run for 3 to 5 yards a pop, until 1 of 2 things happen. The safeties are forced to come up to stop the run which leaves the offense primed to do a play action to go over the top. Or the line backers come back towards the line of scrimmage, which leaves your receivers open for screens, quick slants and 10 yard out routes. In this day and age of SEC defenses and the state of Florida producing the fastest and best spread players in the country, I have no clue why we are not running this offense. If anybody noticed the only time we really moved the ball at all this year is when we ran a spread type of play. I aint asking for a HUNH but a spread would be nice. If the University of Florida ever decided to run a HUNH though, I guarantee you, defensive coordinators would be shitting their paints around the SEC.
Posted on 12/3/13 at 4:50 pm to olemc999
There are some building rumblings on twitter that Muschamp has decided to go with a Spread offense.
Can anyone in here in the know confirm this?
Can anyone in here in the know confirm this?
Posted on 12/3/13 at 4:51 pm to boXerrumble
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There are some building rumblings on twitter that Muschamp has decided to go with a Spread offense.
Posted on 12/3/13 at 6:02 pm to olemc999
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Numbers never lie Reel numbers never lie.
I understand that a lot of spread teams rush the ball successfully...but gimme the all important stat of time of possession? Envelope please.
AUs stats are skewed because of schedule played giving up 22.5 points...their defense is average. And don't post Oregon and Baylors rushing totals without telling me how many yards they GAVE UP?
Posted on 12/3/13 at 7:14 pm to reel_gator8
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but gimme the all important stat of time of possession? Envelope please.
We are 9th in the country at time of possession and are currently 4-8. Time of possession means nothing if you cant put points on the board. I would gladly trade time for touchdowns.
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Time of possession is an overrated stat. Will Muschamp has even said so.
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“Time of possession doesn’t really correlate to winning or losing football games,” Muschamp said. “I mean, good from the standpoint that their offense isn’t on the field, but there’s no direct relation of winning football games on ball possession.”
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AUs stats are skewed because of schedule played
They play in the SEC just like us.
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And don't post Oregon and Baylors rushing totals without telling me how many yards they GAVE UP?
Wow just wow. So yards given up is more important then points given up. When points are what wins the game and not yards.
But since you wanna go there I will go there.
Florida has given up 3771 yards on 712 plays.
Baylor has given up 3911 yards on 842 plays.
They only gave up 140 more yards then Florida has this year while playing 130 more snaps.
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Posted on 12/3/13 at 10:47 pm to boXerrumble
I can confirm that. Yes.
Posted on 12/4/13 at 1:40 am to reel_gator8
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but gimme the all important stat of time of possession? Envelope please.
Wait, I thought you were joking at first, but do you really think TOP is important? Because it isn't. Our HC has even said as much.
Posted on 12/4/13 at 6:17 am to The Nino
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Dave Christensen. My concern with him is Gary Pinkle mentored him for 16 years. Pinkle probably knows Christensen's tendencies inside-out.
Well, then we would know Pinkle's tendencies, so it is a wash.
Posted on 12/4/13 at 7:07 am to austingator
Derek F'n Dooley
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