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Muschamp should have been fired
Posted on 1/2/14 at 8:32 am
Posted on 1/2/14 at 8:32 am
Reel is passionate about our Gators and is the eternal optimist. I can certainly appreciate that. I am hopeful that Boom can save his job and return the Gators to glory but I have my doubts that will happen in one year with another new offense.
Here are my reasons why I believe our HC should have been fired. The only debate in my mind is when it should have happened. I was in the camp of keeping him but I now believe that it was a mistake.
1- our W/L record against UG - 0-3
2- our W/L record against FSU 1-2
3- our W/L record against UM 0-1
That takes our W/L record against 3 of the most hated teams to a whopping 1 and 6.
The only "rival" he's dominated is UT and that's nothing to crow about right now.
4- losing to UM was unacceptable this year. They've had some bad losses
5- losing to GA Southern is always unacceptable no matter what kind of injuries we have
6- penalties - we remain one of the most penalized teams in the country
7- 3 different coordinators in 4 years now with the same number of new offenses
8- asking Pease to change his offensive lingo to match Charlie Weis's lingo so that it would be an easier transition. You don't do that to an OC
9- While his passion is great and he has toned it down, his outbursts on the field are not that of a leader
10- his reluctance to see that our offensive strategy wasn't working and implement change sooner
11- missing on too many offensive playmakers in recruiting
12- Sugar Bowl performance from last year - pitiful
13- 4-8 record this year
If I tried to list the reasons he should stay I'd not do well at this point.
I'm afraid we've gone the route of UTk and been too slow to make a change. I don't want there to be a 10 year down period. We are in a rather lengthy one now with no SEC championships of late.
The problem I see if that with a new offense and little play making help on the way on offense Roper, even if good, will be too little too late. JD has not been improving and we don't really want to take off the RS from Grier. It's just looking like another throw away season.
With 2014 being the make or break year Boom can set us back another 2-3 years while we change staffs and go through the typical slow recruiting that comes with that. That will make too many years in a row of less than stellar recruiting and the cycle is too tough to break.
Anyway, I'm cheering for Boom and support him but I don't see anything about him right now that makes me believe that we will return to SEC championships with him as our coach. I hope I'm wrong.
Go Gators.
Here are my reasons why I believe our HC should have been fired. The only debate in my mind is when it should have happened. I was in the camp of keeping him but I now believe that it was a mistake.
1- our W/L record against UG - 0-3
2- our W/L record against FSU 1-2
3- our W/L record against UM 0-1
That takes our W/L record against 3 of the most hated teams to a whopping 1 and 6.
The only "rival" he's dominated is UT and that's nothing to crow about right now.
4- losing to UM was unacceptable this year. They've had some bad losses
5- losing to GA Southern is always unacceptable no matter what kind of injuries we have
6- penalties - we remain one of the most penalized teams in the country
7- 3 different coordinators in 4 years now with the same number of new offenses
8- asking Pease to change his offensive lingo to match Charlie Weis's lingo so that it would be an easier transition. You don't do that to an OC
9- While his passion is great and he has toned it down, his outbursts on the field are not that of a leader
10- his reluctance to see that our offensive strategy wasn't working and implement change sooner
11- missing on too many offensive playmakers in recruiting
12- Sugar Bowl performance from last year - pitiful
13- 4-8 record this year
If I tried to list the reasons he should stay I'd not do well at this point.
I'm afraid we've gone the route of UTk and been too slow to make a change. I don't want there to be a 10 year down period. We are in a rather lengthy one now with no SEC championships of late.
The problem I see if that with a new offense and little play making help on the way on offense Roper, even if good, will be too little too late. JD has not been improving and we don't really want to take off the RS from Grier. It's just looking like another throw away season.
With 2014 being the make or break year Boom can set us back another 2-3 years while we change staffs and go through the typical slow recruiting that comes with that. That will make too many years in a row of less than stellar recruiting and the cycle is too tough to break.
Anyway, I'm cheering for Boom and support him but I don't see anything about him right now that makes me believe that we will return to SEC championships with him as our coach. I hope I'm wrong.
Go Gators.
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Posted on 1/2/14 at 8:37 am to roadGator
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5- losing to GA Southern is always unacceptable no matter what kind of injuries we have
Georgia Southern was banged up as well. 19 players were out for the UF game. 3 of their top RBs.
I thought for sure that Muschamp was going to get fired after that game.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 8:52 am to BloodSweat&Beers
One reason i like the Roper hire so much is that one of two things will happen, either the offense will be better and we will win more ball games or the offense will not be better and because he was a suspect hire, Muschamp will be replaced. win / win. I hope the outcome will be the first of the two, Go Gators.
Back to the OP, i agree. Last year was not acceptable but now that the decision has been made we have to live with it for at least one year.
Back to the OP, i agree. Last year was not acceptable but now that the decision has been made we have to live with it for at least one year.
This post was edited on 1/2/14 at 8:53 am
Posted on 1/2/14 at 11:03 am to UFMatt
7 and 11 run hand in hand.
Pease was an idiot. Don't know where you get your info, but nobody on the UF staff outside of Choate liked Pease. Pease had outbursts with all offensive assistants during his time at UF. Assistants didn't see him as an approachable person. This isn't mentioning his inability to teach, coach QB's, or call plays.
With all that being said, WM needs to win 9 and the o has to show significant improvement for him to keep his job.
Pease was an idiot. Don't know where you get your info, but nobody on the UF staff outside of Choate liked Pease. Pease had outbursts with all offensive assistants during his time at UF. Assistants didn't see him as an approachable person. This isn't mentioning his inability to teach, coach QB's, or call plays.
With all that being said, WM needs to win 9 and the o has to show significant improvement for him to keep his job.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 11:09 am to gatordmb89
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With all that being said, WM needs to win 9 and the o has to show significant improvement for him to keep his job.
I'd argue 8-4 or even 7-5 next year, a year after going 4-8, especially with next year's schedule could save his job.
UF easily has the toughest schedule in the country next season.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 12:19 pm to boXerrumble
I understand your reasoning. I am referring to you the expectation that is known amongst the administration. 9 wins and much improvement on O. He MAY be able save it with 8 and a very explosive and entertaining O.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 12:30 pm to gatordmb89
Are you still using 247? It's becoming unbearable. I may leave there and go back to scout unless there's another one that's good. Do you know of any good recruiting sites left?
Posted on 1/2/14 at 1:49 pm to roadGator
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8- asking Pease to change his offensive lingo to match Charlie Weis's lingo so that it would be an easier transition.
I remember when you told me about this after the Miami loss and it still blows my frickin mind.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 1:49 pm to roadGator
Haven't posted on 247 in a while. Horrible message board now. Went to complete shite because of the moderators. I took down all the links to the prospects profiles and everything. Not going to promote their business anymore.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 1:55 pm to gatordmb89
Where do you go for recruiting news now?
Posted on 1/2/14 at 1:56 pm to roadGator
Well, I don't really have a site I use. I get a lot of my info from someone I trust.
YGM btw.
YGM btw.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:30 pm to roadGator
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Reel is passionate about our Gators and is the eternal optimist.
Well Road...I could list a hundred things to counter each and every argument you make with real plain facts...but why?
Yes...I am an optimist...but I felt strongly that Muschamp deserved another year. You conveniently left out a few "details" Road...like going 11-1 just the year before and going to a BCS bowl and being VERY close to playing for all the marbles, but again...Im not going to make endless counter points. I think we have been snakebit and its over for a while.
The proof will be there to see in 2014 and I think 9-3 is at the bottom of expectations I HAVE.
I think 10-2 or 11-1 is reasonable...the schedule isn't that tough actually...Bama, LSU & UGA all have new qbs...Mizzou, LSU & USC come to the Swamp.
If we don't do well in 2014 I will hold the door open for Boom to exit.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:51 pm to reel_gator8
I didn't make any arguements reel. I just listed the reasons why I believe that Boom should have been fired in my opinion.
None of the items I listed were opinions. They were facts used to form an opinion. There's lots of reasons/excuses that led to those facts for sure.
None of the items I listed were opinions. They were facts used to form an opinion. There's lots of reasons/excuses that led to those facts for sure.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 8:20 pm to gatordmb89
Posted on 1/2/14 at 9:50 pm to cornhat
If he is an negative Nellie...leave his butt out 
we need balance around here.
we need balance around here.Posted on 1/2/14 at 9:55 pm to reel_gator8
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I think 10-2 or 11-1 is reasonable...the schedule isn't that tough actually...Bama, LSU & UGA all have new qbs...Mizzou, LSU & USC come to the Swamp.
Not that tough? UF easily has the toughest schedule in the country next year...
FSU is gonna be loaded again too...
Posted on 1/2/14 at 11:27 pm to roadGator
I'd argue he should never have been hired. I think he might ultimately work out, but there is just no reason for us to take that risk. Should have just gotten Strong, but Foley over thought it.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 11:31 pm to roadGator
Bottom line is this...
Muschamp is losing too many battles on and off the field.
Also, since I'm ranting...
There is no legitimate excuse, not ever in a million mother frickin years, to go 4-8 at Florida and lose to Georgia Southern AT HOME without them even completing a forward fricking pass.
And the offensive recruiting and coaching has been basically shite, lets not sugar coat it.
The worst thing that can happen now is that Muschamp goes 8-4 or something and keeps his job. His seat will still be burning up, and top recruits (see Cook) will NOT want to come here.
The best thing for UF will be for Muschamp to tank, 7-5 or worse, or for him to right the ship and win 10 or more games.
But face it people. UF WILL NOT win 10+ games with Muschamp as head coach with his current crop of players. No fricking way. I'd be shocked if we got 9 next year.
Thank god the off season is almost here.
Muschamp is losing too many battles on and off the field.
Also, since I'm ranting...
There is no legitimate excuse, not ever in a million mother frickin years, to go 4-8 at Florida and lose to Georgia Southern AT HOME without them even completing a forward fricking pass.
And the offensive recruiting and coaching has been basically shite, lets not sugar coat it.
The worst thing that can happen now is that Muschamp goes 8-4 or something and keeps his job. His seat will still be burning up, and top recruits (see Cook) will NOT want to come here.
The best thing for UF will be for Muschamp to tank, 7-5 or worse, or for him to right the ship and win 10 or more games.
But face it people. UF WILL NOT win 10+ games with Muschamp as head coach with his current crop of players. No fricking way. I'd be shocked if we got 9 next year.
Thank god the off season is almost here.
Posted on 1/3/14 at 9:21 am to reel_gator8
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If he is an negative Nellie...leave his butt out we need balance around here.
Bro, you are positive enough for a few more nega-gators.
Posted on 1/3/14 at 9:33 am to BloodSweat&Beers
I should preface this by saying: We need to look at this objectively. Muschamp brought us to an 11 - 1 regular season, this is absolutely true and something we ought to be thankful for.
The problem with that premise is: He showed that he cannot coach the most meaningful games. He can't get his players ready, and they sort of run their own program at some point. He literally had to win two games last season.
1. The World's Largest Outdoor Cocktail Party
We looked sloppy, unprepared and dare I say....unmotivated. To play our second toughest rival (second to Florida State), and to secure the SEC CG berth. It was the most important game of the season last year and we looked like a high school team.
2. The Sugar Bowl
We looked sloppy, unprepared and once again, unmotivated. What makes this more egregious is that Louisville was not as good as Georgia, and they were a far easier gameplan since their running game was shot.
This year...there are no more excuses. I never bought into the 'Meyer left the cupboard bare' business because let's face it: he left us with the #2, #11 and #3 recruiting classes with TONS of talent on the edges.
Muschamp's one problem, one MAJOR problem is that he's stubborn. Which makes for a good defensive coach, but a very bad head coach. He took a program chalk full of spread-guys (Demps and Rainey) and forced them to play between the tackles which ended in disaster one year, the next we lucked out and the third it was completely destroyed.
In all honesty, the guy should have been fired, 100%. No coach makes it through that but I will conclude this by saying one last article:
If he can change, and shows that he is malleable then there is hope yet. Even coaches like Saban aren't and we saw what happened last night. We need him to be calm, collected and rational. We have the talent, now we just need to get the discipline.
Cheers, guys. Hope you all had good holidays.
The problem with that premise is: He showed that he cannot coach the most meaningful games. He can't get his players ready, and they sort of run their own program at some point. He literally had to win two games last season.
1. The World's Largest Outdoor Cocktail Party
We looked sloppy, unprepared and dare I say....unmotivated. To play our second toughest rival (second to Florida State), and to secure the SEC CG berth. It was the most important game of the season last year and we looked like a high school team.
2. The Sugar Bowl
We looked sloppy, unprepared and once again, unmotivated. What makes this more egregious is that Louisville was not as good as Georgia, and they were a far easier gameplan since their running game was shot.
This year...there are no more excuses. I never bought into the 'Meyer left the cupboard bare' business because let's face it: he left us with the #2, #11 and #3 recruiting classes with TONS of talent on the edges.
Muschamp's one problem, one MAJOR problem is that he's stubborn. Which makes for a good defensive coach, but a very bad head coach. He took a program chalk full of spread-guys (Demps and Rainey) and forced them to play between the tackles which ended in disaster one year, the next we lucked out and the third it was completely destroyed.
In all honesty, the guy should have been fired, 100%. No coach makes it through that but I will conclude this by saying one last article:
If he can change, and shows that he is malleable then there is hope yet. Even coaches like Saban aren't and we saw what happened last night. We need him to be calm, collected and rational. We have the talent, now we just need to get the discipline.
Cheers, guys. Hope you all had good holidays.
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