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re: Much Obliged, Finch
Posted on 4/7/21 at 3:39 pm to bigDgator
Posted on 4/7/21 at 3:39 pm to bigDgator
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Whoa there buddy, that ain't happening. I got us at 8-4 and our O-Line will still suck. I am hoping the defense can improve a skosh.
I mean, anything is possible but 10 - 2 or 9 - 3 will likely be the final regular season ending.
I think having him run his normal offense is going to take a lot of pressure off of him, too, and he will be able to give the defense a lot more attention. Going from a Power Spread to an Air Raid is not easy, and especially when you got a guy like Trask who has never played live, meaningful snaps before until like his fourth season in College.
Hopefully with Emory he gets it right away and we can open the game up a lot more, which will take a ton of pressure off of the offensive line, especially since Emory can actually run the ball.
I do see us dropping two, though, from: Georgia, LSU or Alabama.
It's still a nicely quartered schedule, though:
Tune up: FAU
Tune up: USF
Big Game: Alabama
Tune up: Tennessee.
Tune up: Kentucky
Tune up: Vanderbilt
Big Game: LSU
BYE
Big Game: Georgia
After that it's: SCAR, Samford, Missouri and Florida State. Again: Say what you will about Mullen, but outside of the LSU game he's pretty much mopped up lesser opponents.
I think a lot of people still have PTSD from McElwain and Muschamp where we could literally lose to anyone.
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Posted on 4/9/21 at 12:44 pm to bigDgator
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Whoa there buddy, that ain't happening. I got us at 8-4 and our O-Line will still suck.
We threw the ball nearly 500 times in 12 games, and 25% of the sacks we allowed all season were from the LSU and Bama games. There were times when the o line played well despite the fact the defense knew we were going to threw the ball nearly every fricking play. The UGA game comes to mind, specifically. Despite what the mutts said about their injuries, they weren’t missing a single pass rusher and we stonewalled their front 7 in terms of rushing the passer.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 1:55 pm to FireDanMullen
I think it also needs to be stated that Dan clearly took the Georgia game a lot differently than the rest.
Although people tend to forget that the Offensive Line was actually pretty good if not excellent in pass protection. Trask consistently got to look until his third read and at times even made the entire roll (all 5 potential receivers) and still was able to make the pass.
Although the push for rushing was...pretty much the worst I think I've ever seen at Florida.
Although people tend to forget that the Offensive Line was actually pretty good if not excellent in pass protection. Trask consistently got to look until his third read and at times even made the entire roll (all 5 potential receivers) and still was able to make the pass.
Although the push for rushing was...pretty much the worst I think I've ever seen at Florida.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 2:29 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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I think it also needs to be stated that Dan clearly took the Georgia game a lot differently than the rest.
He’d be on the hot seat rn if he didn’t. We were favored to win the East last year, UGA had half their D out, and their best QB on roster didn’t play a single snap. I throughly enjoyed that arse kicking as much as anyone but it was also a complete must-win scenario for Mullen.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 4:43 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Although the push for rushing was...pretty much the worst I think I've ever seen at Florida.
I don't know how we can praise the OL with this being the case. It's like having LB's who can cover but not tackle.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 5:57 pm to bigDgator
Because all things considered, that was one of the best Florida offenses of all time. Even with no push. Trask had some pretty clean pockets.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 7:55 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Well after 2019 I remember everyone being so excited because we had our season high rushing and YPC avg in the bowl game and said it showed the OL had significantly improved. Now we have a great offense so don't worry that we can't run the ball? That is a crock imo.
If you are ever going to be a complete offense you are going to need to run the ball so teams don't continuously stay in the game with you. Remember when the offense went flat late in games vs Ole Miss, Carolina, A&M just to name a few. Ole Miss and Carolina should have been blowouts but when all you have is high powered passing you cannot keep possession of the ball and kill the clock with your defense resting.
You have to score 50 points a game and hope the other offense can't keep up.
That is no way to play football. Have a bad day and you lose to teams like LSU or A&M. But UGa should have been a worse beatdown if we could have run the ball a little bit.
So now we have a QB that can run the ball, well if no one has taken a look at him, he is not built like Tebow. No way that kid makes it through the season as a running QB behind this line. He takes some tough shots in the few plays he has been running as a backup.
Anyway 8-4 and Richardson finishes out the season because our OL sucks.
If you are ever going to be a complete offense you are going to need to run the ball so teams don't continuously stay in the game with you. Remember when the offense went flat late in games vs Ole Miss, Carolina, A&M just to name a few. Ole Miss and Carolina should have been blowouts but when all you have is high powered passing you cannot keep possession of the ball and kill the clock with your defense resting.
You have to score 50 points a game and hope the other offense can't keep up.
That is no way to play football. Have a bad day and you lose to teams like LSU or A&M. But UGa should have been a worse beatdown if we could have run the ball a little bit.
So now we have a QB that can run the ball, well if no one has taken a look at him, he is not built like Tebow. No way that kid makes it through the season as a running QB behind this line. He takes some tough shots in the few plays he has been running as a backup.
Anyway 8-4 and Richardson finishes out the season because our OL sucks.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 7:56 pm to bigDgator
Hope I am wrong as hell
Posted on 4/13/21 at 10:37 am to bigDgator
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If you are ever going to be a complete offense you are going to need to run the ball so teams don't continuously stay in the game with you
I mean, I agree 100% and we won’t sniff a championship until we have a complete offense (as well as a couple other things) but I was still pretty impressed with how our o line did in pass protection. Obviously the run game is a different story and it’s one of the reasons why we went 8-4 last year despite having an offense that put up record passing numbers.
Posted on 4/13/21 at 12:35 pm to FireDanMullen
I personally don't think the run game would have actually helped -- I mean, it doesn't hurt, but unless you actually have a defense that can stop another team, you're only exchanging scores anyway.
We can't blame the offensive run game, passing, anything else outside of the defense for 8 - 4. Our offense shouldn't be asked to be record breaking for our defense to play a little less than average to win games.
It reminds me of when people used to bash our defenses during Muschamp/McElwain years for not being able to hold every team under 14 points so we could win the game.
Offense was fine, it did exactly what it needed to do: score points.
Defense was the worst I've ever seen at Florida, statistically the worst in 60 years. So our ire should be directed first at Mullen (captain of the ship) then Grantham.
We can't blame the offensive run game, passing, anything else outside of the defense for 8 - 4. Our offense shouldn't be asked to be record breaking for our defense to play a little less than average to win games.
It reminds me of when people used to bash our defenses during Muschamp/McElwain years for not being able to hold every team under 14 points so we could win the game.
Offense was fine, it did exactly what it needed to do: score points.
Defense was the worst I've ever seen at Florida, statistically the worst in 60 years. So our ire should be directed first at Mullen (captain of the ship) then Grantham.
Posted on 4/13/21 at 2:30 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
I agree completely that it’s the defense to blame for going 8-4.
However, I’d challenge you to name me a national champion in the last 20 years who didn’t average at least 160 yards rushing/game.
We averaged 125 — A third of our rushing output FOR THE YEAR came against Oklahoma and Arkansas in garbage time. So really we probably averaged closer to 110-115 yards a game.
However, I’d challenge you to name me a national champion in the last 20 years who didn’t average at least 160 yards rushing/game.
We averaged 125 — A third of our rushing output FOR THE YEAR came against Oklahoma and Arkansas in garbage time. So really we probably averaged closer to 110-115 yards a game.
Posted on 4/13/21 at 3:38 pm to FireDanMullen
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However, I’d challenge you to name me a national champion in the last 20 years who didn’t average at least 160 yards rushing/game.
Name a defense that gave up 31 points a game and won a National Championship.
The thing is: We didn't have a running game, but we did have passes that simulate the run to open it up a little bit. Our offense was ranked 13th, our defense was 74th (points wise).
To illustrate my point: 2012 Florida Gators rushed, on average, 188 yards a game to the tune of 226 first downs.
2020 Florida Gators, passing first downs, were at 202 alone. Add on another 87 rushing first downs. We had no problem getting first downs, no problem moving the ball, no problem scoring.
The offensive line, rushing, while they weren't great, were microscopic in comparison to how bad the defense was.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 9:40 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Times have changed. Our defense was middling last year compared to the rest of the conference. I agree that the defense needs to improve but if you take out the OU game, we were 6th in total defense in 2020. Bama and their national championship defense was 3rd. The main difference between us and Bama was their running game.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 9:43 am to bigDgator
I will also add that LSU in 2019 was all about Burrow and the passing game, but don’t forget how important their running game was as a compliment with Clyde Edwards-Hellaire. He rushed for over 1,400 yards and 16 TD’s.
LSU was 9th in the conference in total defense in 2019.
LSU was 9th in the conference in total defense in 2019.
This post was edited on 4/15/21 at 9:45 am
Posted on 4/15/21 at 3:05 pm to bigDgator
Framing it to exclusively be in-conference is kind of a bad faith argument.
Name a single defense that won a championship in the last 20 years giving up 31 points a game.
Even 2008 Oklahoma only gave up ~24 a game, an entire touchdown last than Florida's team last year.
Again: We had an explosive offense that had no trouble scoring, getting first downs and maintaining possession of the ball. It is literally a non-point. Running any better would not have fundamentally changed anything about last season because the defense was literally giving up a touchdown just about every drive. We would have just shortened games and kept the score differential for the most part, and probably lose to Georgia. Scoring fast is the only reason we came back in that game.
Name a single defense that won a championship in the last 20 years giving up 31 points a game.
Even 2008 Oklahoma only gave up ~24 a game, an entire touchdown last than Florida's team last year.
Again: We had an explosive offense that had no trouble scoring, getting first downs and maintaining possession of the ball. It is literally a non-point. Running any better would not have fundamentally changed anything about last season because the defense was literally giving up a touchdown just about every drive. We would have just shortened games and kept the score differential for the most part, and probably lose to Georgia. Scoring fast is the only reason we came back in that game.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 4:20 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
I am not disagreeing with you that we need a better defense, but if you can't run the ball you are never going to win a natty coming out of the SEC. You will be exposed. Our running game is as bad as our defense. Watch and see. Everyone thinks now that we have a running QB it will magically change us to a good running team.
We run the ball so badly that people are going to get hurt.
And we didn't even show up for the OU game, so I don't even count that pathetic performance.
Our offense had nothing but dead stop or pedal on the floor. You want to take some air out of the ball eventually when you get a lead and we couldn't do it. Name a team that couldn't run the ball well that has won a natty in the last 20 years.
Again, I am not arguing that the defense doesn't suck, it does. But we lost a 4 year starter at MLB and 2 stud DE's from last year and I knew that would hurt. We didn't lose anything much off the OL and they regressed.
We run the ball so badly that people are going to get hurt.
And we didn't even show up for the OU game, so I don't even count that pathetic performance.
Our offense had nothing but dead stop or pedal on the floor. You want to take some air out of the ball eventually when you get a lead and we couldn't do it. Name a team that couldn't run the ball well that has won a natty in the last 20 years.
Again, I am not arguing that the defense doesn't suck, it does. But we lost a 4 year starter at MLB and 2 stud DE's from last year and I knew that would hurt. We didn't lose anything much off the OL and they regressed.
This post was edited on 4/15/21 at 4:27 pm
Posted on 4/16/21 at 2:52 am to bigDgator
Yeah, maybe the rushing offense will suck last year.
It was not a problem this year, since this has been the highest scoring offense we've had in a good decade and some change. 2008 we had 43 points a game, 2020 we had 40.
That was a championship offense. In fact, we would have beaten Alabama if we held onto the interception.
So if we're arguing for posterity's sake, say, 2021 season, great.
But if this is a shot at the 2020 team I just don't cosign. The rushing offense was moot because we could move the ball so efficiently in the air, literally in the range of a championship offenses.
That could change a lot next year when we have to see Emory full time, but even he managed to rip off almost 7 yards a rush. Going to be very interesting seeing him get 1st team snaps and in an offense that Mullen is accustomed to running.
It was not a problem this year, since this has been the highest scoring offense we've had in a good decade and some change. 2008 we had 43 points a game, 2020 we had 40.
That was a championship offense. In fact, we would have beaten Alabama if we held onto the interception.
So if we're arguing for posterity's sake, say, 2021 season, great.
But if this is a shot at the 2020 team I just don't cosign. The rushing offense was moot because we could move the ball so efficiently in the air, literally in the range of a championship offenses.
That could change a lot next year when we have to see Emory full time, but even he managed to rip off almost 7 yards a rush. Going to be very interesting seeing him get 1st team snaps and in an offense that Mullen is accustomed to running.
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