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re: Is TJGator a long troll Nole fan?
Posted on 1/19/18 at 7:06 pm to slayerxing
Posted on 1/19/18 at 7:06 pm to slayerxing
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I hate these threads. Diaf.
It's really about one person ever, when you think about it -- a person who seems physically pained to say something good about Florida and quick to run to the board when something bad happens.
Who, allegedly, may have said he would throw a fiesta if someone had cut off my head -- while I understand his sentiment because there are probably many more on this site that hold it, he brings little to this board specifically.
If he made his claims off the Gators board, maybe in tRant or the Recruiting area, anywhere other than here no one would really care.
But when you have a thread about just how bad FSU's staff is (it's bad) and he comes wailing about the opposite, or how UGA is the next Alabama, really, anything that isn't in favor of Florida he seems to be in favor for -- it starts to tax on you.
Even in the recruiting thread, all it is is him saying ''lulz'' even when you agree with him in principle, he's just an egregiously bad poster and that's an opinion held by those who were lockstep with him about McElwain.
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Posted on 1/19/18 at 7:20 pm to Gatorbait2008
Just because I'm not enamored with Mullen doesn't mean I like fsu. Chip Kelly to UF. You post like Mullen was the only reason Meyer won NCs. He beat up cupcakes at MSU, has an atrocious record vs the top 25, poor passing offense, inconsistent W/L record, 1 SEC winning record and a losing record to all but a few sec schools. Thats great he turned them around. I don't think he's going to be able to compete against the best. His coaching career has shown me all I need to know. He's going to need a great staff to fix his coaching and recruit short comings. I think he'll make the offense better but I don't think he's winning the SEC or making the CFP. I think he'll be a lesser recruiting version of ZOOK. There is no reason why he should've lost to South Alabama. As for our rivals Taggart had Oregon with a top 5 class and was rolling til he lost His top 2 QBs. UGA was never this good. Never. If Mullen doesn't recruit top 5 classes we're done. If FSU or UGA hired Mullen we'd laugh at them calling it an average hire at best. Just like you and straws laugh at Taggart and straws and Matt think Kirby is WM.
This post was edited on 1/19/18 at 7:29 pm
Posted on 1/19/18 at 7:29 pm to TJGator1215
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There is no reason why he should've lost to South Alabama.
There's no reason Meyer should have lost to Ole Miss with possibly the best Florida team in modern history, but he did.
MSU was a 3 win team for the better part of a decade before Mullen came. He was also in the toughest division of college football to date, because I mean, how many divisions can claim three different teams winning the National Championship in the last decade?
LSU, Auburn, Alabama -- then the rival school in state gets busted for cheating. It was always stacked against him.
MSU beat the brakes off of LSU and they by and large outrecruited him over the past, okay, forever. He made MSU go from a dirt program to at least having the infrastructure for success.
It's hilarious how you talk up Taggart like he's the next big shite but struggle to find good points about Mullen, you're so unbelievably salty and stupid.
Posted on 1/19/18 at 7:34 pm to TJGator1215
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If FSU or UGA hired Mullen we'd laugh at them calling it an average hire at best. Just like you and straws laugh at Taggart and straws and Matt think Kirby is WM.
1. We'd be terrified of Mullen at FSU or Georgia. He already fields teams with top ten defenses made up of mostly patchwork 3*s with a few 4*s.
2. Everyone is laughing at Taggart, except for like -- you and FSU fans, some FSU fans, because most think he's a joke.
3. No one is saying Kirby is WM, but there are a lot of similarities from recruiting, to defenses that are ''top ten'' but seem to give up 500 yard games all over the place. It's to be decided at a future date, not anything conclusive right now.
Stupid mook.
Posted on 1/19/18 at 7:56 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Not sure tj is a troll but just feels uf could have spent 6 mil a little better
I am not the biggest fan of Mullen either but he is our coach and can only hope the offense is better because I do not think it cold get much worse the only hire by Mullen I have repeatedly been against is Grantham can not stand the guy and hope he falls on his face and Mullen fires him after this season better yet fire him tonight
I am not the biggest fan of Mullen either but he is our coach and can only hope the offense is better because I do not think it cold get much worse the only hire by Mullen I have repeatedly been against is Grantham can not stand the guy and hope he falls on his face and Mullen fires him after this season better yet fire him tonight
Posted on 1/19/18 at 8:24 pm to AlbinoGator
Agreed. That and the buyout
Posted on 1/19/18 at 8:25 pm to AlbinoGator
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Mullen I have repeatedly been against is Grantham can not stand the guy and hope he falls on his face and Mullen fires him after this season better yet fire him tonight
You are hoping that the Gators fail so that a coach you don't like gets fired? It's fine to not like the guy, but that's a little extreme right?
This post was edited on 1/19/18 at 9:05 pm
Posted on 1/19/18 at 8:28 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
WM never recruited like Kirby. Lulz you have no frickING clue again what you're talking about.
They've given 500 yards twice under Kirby and over 400 yards 4 times.
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No one is saying Kirby is WM, but there are a lot of similarities from recruiting, to defenses that are ''top ten'' but seem to give up 500 yard games all over the place.
They've given 500 yards twice under Kirby and over 400 yards 4 times.
Posted on 1/19/18 at 8:36 pm to TJGator1215
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WM never recruited like Kirby. Lulz you have no frickING clue again what you're talking about.
Dude, the difference between scoring top 3 class and the top class really isn't that large. Muschamp recruited very well on one side of the ball, outrageously well. Possibly the best defensively the country has ever seen. The difference is negligible.
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They've given 500 yards twice under Kirby
2017 saw his defense get outrageously overwhelmed 3 times.
Oklahoma put up 531, Auburn put up 488 (might as well say 500), and Alabama had 325 yards in one half -- all while having 8 seniors starting on defense. It's a little Muschamp like because he, too, had unbelievably stacked defenses that got torn to shreds several times in his tenure.
Can you please stop misrepresenting my arguments, for once? You're like a pigeon shitting all over the board and saying you've won without actually ever understanding your oposition.
Posted on 1/19/18 at 8:36 pm to TJGator1215
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As for our rivals Taggart had Oregon with a top 5 class and was rolling til he lost His top 2 QBs. UGA was never this good. Never. If Mullen doesn't recruit top 5 classes we're done. If FSU or UGA hired Mullen we'd laugh at them calling it an average hire at best. Just like you and straws laugh at Taggart and straws and Matt think Kirby is WM.
You do seem to think highly of Taggart. There are certinly some things to like about him and I wouldn't have minded him here, but do you recognize his shortcomings in the same way you go after Mullen?
Taggart's offense was atrocious at USF the first two years and he was on the hot seat entering 2015. He was forced to change it up and fire assistants. He did get it turned around, but there was a time at USF when there were serious questions about his future. Not to mention, his recruiting was nothing special and similar to Skip Holtz. He did have a nice class at Oregon, but then you get into the question of if it was more him or Cristobal/Leavitt.
IMO, another issue with Taggart was his lack of experience at major programs. He played at Western Kentucky, and outside of very short stints at Stanford and Oregon, had never been a coach at a P5 program. Jobs like UF and FSU are a big step up. I think that is one of Mullen's real strengths, he has significant SEC experience as a HC and as a coordinator for 2 NC teams. He knows exactly what needs to be done to compete at the highest level. No learning curve.
Not everyone is going to like every hire, not a big deal to me if you aren't enamored with Mullen. I remember arguments about how bad Meyer was going to do here. At the end of the day, you never really know how a coach is going to turn out. No guarantees.
This post was edited on 1/19/18 at 9:40 pm
Posted on 1/19/18 at 9:32 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Oklahoma put up 531
The number 1 offense in the country led by the Heisman winning quarterback in a double overtime game. Also under their season average.
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Auburn put up 488
Gained 408 yards against the eventual national champion and led by the greatest coach in the history of college football.
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Alabama had 325 yards in one half
Against a quarterback that was different than what was practiced against all week and playing a soft defense to try to shorten the half. Also an overtime game.
No trolling. Just context.
This post was edited on 1/19/18 at 9:51 pm
Posted on 1/19/18 at 10:14 pm to HinesvilleThrill
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The number 1 offense in the country led by the Heisman winning quarterback in a double overtime game. Also under their season average.
I know football hasn't been fun to you since this last year, but pull up a chair and let me tell you about Oklahoma in 2008.
Led by Sam Bradford (you may have heard of him), Oklahoma was averaging 548 yards a game (compared to 580), they were scoring 51 points a game (compared to 45). The lowest they had scored all year was 35 points (compared to 29) and they were going to ''punch the Gators in the mouth''.
In came Urban Meyer, who said: ''nah, frick that'' and ended up holding Oklahoma to a season low 14 points combined with a season low yardage gained (363) by almost a hundred yards lower than their average.
Want to know why?
Because we actually had a top ten defense. Defenses like that don't get completely walked all over the field like a dog. I watched Oklahoma slice and dice up Georgia's senior laden defense -- and then of course I remembered when we faced an equally record breaking Oklahoma and held them to two touchdowns (compared to nearly 7).
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Against a quarterback that was different than what was practiced against all week and playing a soft defense to try to shorten the half. Also an overtime game.
No trolling. Just context.
Tua is not that different in style from Jalen -- outside that he's accurate. That's not a ''aw shucks, we just didn't have any tape on a fricking freshman coming out of the locker room'', that's a ''wow we really have no idea what to do when we face real offenses''.
Don't take it the hard way, we thought Muschamp was a big time defensive guru and he had the exact same problem. Look forward to Kirby fielding an actual top ten offense one of these days.
Posted on 1/19/18 at 10:17 pm to bgator85
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ou do seem to think highly of Taggart. There are certinly some things to like about him and I wouldn't have minded him here, but do you recognize his shortcomings in the same way you go after Mullen?
Taggart would have been a lot scarier if he had actually brought his staff with him. People put a lot on the HC but it's really about the orchestra behind him. Hiring good assistants is extremely important, and nothing Taggart has shown me (outside of being denied by plenty of people) suggests he knows how to put a P5 staff together.
Posted on 1/19/18 at 10:22 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
This argument is funny.
Of the two people, straw vs tj, who was the most right about how this past year would go?
Right. tj.
So listen straw, you might not like his disposition, but in so far as calling it how it is, his track record isn’t so bad. In fact, relative to mcelwain specifically it’s better than yours. Maybe he’s wrong about Mullen. Idk.
Let the man say his peace without organizing a lunch mob.
Of the two people, straw vs tj, who was the most right about how this past year would go?
Right. tj.
So listen straw, you might not like his disposition, but in so far as calling it how it is, his track record isn’t so bad. In fact, relative to mcelwain specifically it’s better than yours. Maybe he’s wrong about Mullen. Idk.
Let the man say his peace without organizing a lunch mob.
Posted on 1/19/18 at 10:23 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
I would agree that Mullen has put together a much better staff than Taggart and that will show on the field. Just imo.
Posted on 1/19/18 at 11:16 pm to slayerxing
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Let the man say his peace without organizing a lunch mob
TJ finna eat.
Posted on 1/19/18 at 11:18 pm to slayerxing
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Of the two people, straw vs tj, who was the most right about how this past year would go?
About who, McElwain and Florida? That's by fortune alone. No one could have accurately predicted 12 players out before the year even started -- he didn't predict that. Death threats? Didn't predict that, which is ultimately what got McElwain fired.
That you made the argument about that alone just makes your own argument a lot weaker because he was soundly wrong at every other corner.
Remember that one time he talked up Harbaugh? Look how great Harbaugh had Michigan! They're a top ten team! Wow, amazing! Blown out, beaten down and eventually lost to South Carolina.
USC has injuries and look how great they're doing! They lose to Washington State the next game and get skulldrug by Notre Dame.
What about that time he was hyped about Taggart, and then Taggart barely had a .500 year (AGAIN) and then started to defend his hires at FSU which are about unanimously understood to be a debacle?
TJ was right about McElwain, but it was by pure, blind luck and 25 something injuries/suspensions.
Every other thing he predicts is wrong, every other coach he talks up seems to trip and fall face first into a big pile of shite. I understand where you're coming from when you confine his argument to one part, but if you look at the overall season it's pretty clear he has no idea what he's talking about.
Posted on 1/20/18 at 3:16 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Youre comparing a team that went 9-4 finished 2nd in the West and won the cotton bowl to a team that finished 6-7, 8th in the sunbelt, and lost to Idaho and GA southern and ull?
Posted on 1/20/18 at 3:25 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
I may not have predicted that Mac would lie but I predicted;
The offense/defense would suck
Macs recruiting was awful
We wouldn't win anything of note
We weren't going to win more than 6-7 games
You would cop pleas talking about injuries and us being young.
I seriously think you'd defend pol pot or a guy like charles Manson if they were hired as UFs HC.
You want to see how well Mac screwed the program up watch the next 3 NFL drafts and the lack of top picks we have.
The offense/defense would suck
Macs recruiting was awful
We wouldn't win anything of note
We weren't going to win more than 6-7 games
You would cop pleas talking about injuries and us being young.
I seriously think you'd defend pol pot or a guy like charles Manson if they were hired as UFs HC.
You want to see how well Mac screwed the program up watch the next 3 NFL drafts and the lack of top picks we have.
This post was edited on 1/20/18 at 3:32 am
Posted on 1/20/18 at 3:34 am to TJGator1215
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The offense/defense would suck
You predict that every year, TJ.
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We wouldn't win anything of note
You predict that every year, TJ.
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We weren't going to win more than 6-7 games
I'm thinking suspensions and injuries played a lot more into that than you'd like to admit. Scarlett and Callaway alone would have vastly improved our chances -- outside of every QB getting hurt during the season. You also don't like to admit that the offense looked decidedly better with Del Rio under center, but you can't admit you responded the wrong poster in the FSU thread so I don't know why I'd expect it now.
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You would cop pleas talking about injuries and us being young.
You literally made that same excuse for Muschamp losing to an FCS. In fact, you made that excuse for fricking Taggart about his quarterback, too.
Face it, TJ, you've got one claim to fame and even that's a little shaky because it relied on basically every single WR, RB, QB, our star DE, both starting safeties being out of the game for your prediction to work.
You'll break your back making excuses for any other team that's not named ''the Gators'' and then hold onto the one thing you got right like your life depended on it.
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