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re: Florida returns 17 of 22 starters next year
Posted on 1/7/18 at 7:16 pm to gatordmb89
Posted on 1/7/18 at 7:16 pm to gatordmb89
I won't give up on dudes before they've even taken a snap on field, but I will give up on guys who have shown me that they don't know how to operate the QB position intellectually.
That being said, to the others about expectations: I'm sorry, but we have to set some expectations.
We have the vast majority of our starters coming back, their backups are all better than what they had (by default, sincem any didn't have any at all) and our schedule is pillow soft.
We open with Charleston Southern, an FCS.
We then play Kentucky at home. (I mean come on)
Then we get Colorado State at home. (7 - 6 Mike Bobo team is not winning in The Swamp)
Then we go to Tennessee with a new, completely unproven HC coming off of an abysmal season while they still have no quarterback.
Then we go to MSU, which is gonna be a bloodbath.
Then we have LSU at home with no Guice when they couldn't even handle Florida as bad as we were.
Then we go to Vandy, and they're not gonna beat us.
Then we have Georgia, and while we're gaining everyone, they're losing everyone. (Shouldn't be a win, but shouldn't end the way it did this year)
Then we have 3 home games -- Mizzou with no Lock, SC who needed a miracle to win at home against one of our most depleted teams ever and Idaho which will be our second FCS (by accident) of the season.
Then we finish out with Florida State, whose staff looks like straight hot fricking garbage and whose recruiting class looks worse.
I'm sorry guys, but 9 - 10 wins is a must with that schedule. 2 FCS teams, Tennessee and Mississippi State have HCs who have never been HCs, SC and LSU could barely beat us when we were ridiculously depleted, CSU is terrible, Kentucky doesn't have the horses to keep up and Mizzou lost their best player.
Edit: Florida State just had another coach from another school turn them down. Sauce
This is a perfect storm for Mullen to waltz in and be successful immediately.
That being said, to the others about expectations: I'm sorry, but we have to set some expectations.
We have the vast majority of our starters coming back, their backups are all better than what they had (by default, sincem any didn't have any at all) and our schedule is pillow soft.
We open with Charleston Southern, an FCS.
We then play Kentucky at home. (I mean come on)
Then we get Colorado State at home. (7 - 6 Mike Bobo team is not winning in The Swamp)
Then we go to Tennessee with a new, completely unproven HC coming off of an abysmal season while they still have no quarterback.
Then we go to MSU, which is gonna be a bloodbath.
Then we have LSU at home with no Guice when they couldn't even handle Florida as bad as we were.
Then we go to Vandy, and they're not gonna beat us.
Then we have Georgia, and while we're gaining everyone, they're losing everyone. (Shouldn't be a win, but shouldn't end the way it did this year)
Then we have 3 home games -- Mizzou with no Lock, SC who needed a miracle to win at home against one of our most depleted teams ever and Idaho which will be our second FCS (by accident) of the season.
Then we finish out with Florida State, whose staff looks like straight hot fricking garbage and whose recruiting class looks worse.
I'm sorry guys, but 9 - 10 wins is a must with that schedule. 2 FCS teams, Tennessee and Mississippi State have HCs who have never been HCs, SC and LSU could barely beat us when we were ridiculously depleted, CSU is terrible, Kentucky doesn't have the horses to keep up and Mizzou lost their best player.
Edit: Florida State just had another coach from another school turn them down. Sauce
This is a perfect storm for Mullen to waltz in and be successful immediately.
This post was edited on 1/7/18 at 7:24 pm
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Posted on 1/8/18 at 8:39 am to Gatorbait2008
Pump the brakes. We have talent and depth issues everywhere. This years schedule is easier but we're installing a new system. 6-8 wins is my guess. As long as we show signs of improvement im happy. Mullen needs 2 years to fix Mac's mess.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 8:41 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Then we go to MSU, which is gonna be a bloodbath.
I agree on most of your book except this, unless you are saying that we kick their arse. Mullen will not lose this game. I will be there with my orange and blue cow bell ringing the hell out of it every time we score.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 11:50 am to TJGator1215
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Pump the brakes. We have talent and depth issues everywhere. This years schedule is easier but we're installing a new system. 6-8 wins is my guess. As long as we show signs of improvement im happy. Mullen needs 2 years to fix Mac's mess.
I need to know how you see 6 losses next year, man. Outside of being a contrarian.
Tennessee? Georgia? LSU? MSU? FSU? USC?
Tennessee has talent and depth issues everywhere.
FSU can't even put a staff together.
LSU, USC and FSU couldn't beat us handily when we were down 18 - 23 scholarship players.
MSU is changing from head to toe.
I understand you're continuing your trend of being a 'realist', but if you guys are seriously considering anywhere in the ballpark of 5 losses next year you're basically expecting Mullen to be an awful coach.
I could see four (LSU, MSU, UGA and a bowl game) but anything after that would be a failure for me. It's not like we're installing a crazy whackadoodle triple option on offense, and even on defense we've got the personnel and will probably pick up some quality backups before NSD.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 12:09 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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I need to know how you see 6 losses next year, man. Outside of being a contrarian.
Tennessee? Georgia? LSU? MSU? FSU? USC?
Tennessee has talent and depth issues everywhere.
FSU can't even put a staff together.
LSU, USC and FSU couldn't beat us handily when we were down 18 - 23 scholarship players.
MSU is changing from head to toe.
I understand you're continuing your trend of being a 'realist', but if you guys are seriously considering anywhere in the ballpark of 5 losses next year you're basically expecting Mullen to be an awful coach.
I could see four (LSU, MSU, UGA and a bowl game) but anything after that would be a failure for me. It's not like we're installing a crazy whackadoodle triple option on offense, and even on defense we've got the personnel and will probably pick up some quality backups before NSD.
UF is completely changing schemes and terminology on both sides of the ball. There will be a learning curve. UGA, LSU, USC, UT, MSU, FSU, UK, and Mizzou could easily be losses. Even the biggest skeptics did not think UF would go 4-7 this year.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 12:18 pm to BloodSweat&Beers
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UF is completely changing schemes and terminology on both sides of the ball. There will be a learning curve. UGA, LSU, USC, UT, MSU, FSU, UK, and Mizzou could easily be losses. Even the biggest skeptics did not think UF would go 4-7 this year.
UF doesn't go 4 - 7 this year if they have:
Both starting safeties.
Best pass rusher.
Both backup linebackers.
#1, #2, #3 receiver. (A&M and after)
#1, #2 RB. (Pretty much all season)
#1 QB (Del Rio looked much more comfortable).
I mean, we lost 12 players before the season started and only two games by blowout. The rest of the games are winnable if we have even THE SLIGHTEST AMOUNT OF OFFENSIVE CREATIVITY.
Just the SLIGHTEST.
To think he's going to come in with more talent than he's ever had and drop the games simply because he's tweaking the system (not much on offense) is silly.
Hell, we even have 3 trash games to begin the year to see how it works at full speed before we go into true SEC play.
Just say Florida sucks and Dan Mullen is bad if you guys honestly think we're comfortable dropping six games next year with no justification for it. Changing a scheme is not worse than losing every best player on the team like we did last year, and we have plenty of time to implement it.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 12:25 pm to BloodSweat&Beers
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UGA, LSU, USC, UT, MSU, FSU, UK, and Mizzou could easily be losses.
UGA - Probably, but they lose a ton of talent this year. Replacing 9 players on defense is not easy, and replacing the best RB tandem the country has ever known is not easy.
USC - At home? Not on your life, man. They needed a miracle to beat the worst team we've had in a long time missing most of its players by one score.
LSU - See USC.
UT - Changing their entire coaching staff, too, but obviously that only matters when we're talking about UF.
MSU - See UT.
FSU - See MSU and UT.
UK - At home, not on your life, man.
Mizzou - I don't know if you've been paying attention, but Drew Lock isn't coming back and they hired Dooley as their OC.
You guys are giving way too much leeway, there is no reason to drop more than three of those games (UGA, LSU, MSU).
This post was edited on 1/8/18 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 1/8/18 at 3:41 pm to TJGator1215
You do know half of our schedule is rebuilding or not good right?
LSU is a question. FSU is broken as well and our staff is way better than what they put together. South Carolina is still South Carolina and Muschamp is still Muschamp. Tenn is broken. Kentucky is UK. Vandy is Vandy. Missouri loses their best player who won most of their games.
Yes..we can win a lot of games. LSU, Miss State, and South Carolina will be very tough games. Georgia is pretty much a loss. We can win 1-2 of those games, we are right there at ten wins. FSU to me regresses a ton. I think they just don't have a scary staff. They will recruit well, but outside of their DC hire it's been laughable.
LSU is a question. FSU is broken as well and our staff is way better than what they put together. South Carolina is still South Carolina and Muschamp is still Muschamp. Tenn is broken. Kentucky is UK. Vandy is Vandy. Missouri loses their best player who won most of their games.
Yes..we can win a lot of games. LSU, Miss State, and South Carolina will be very tough games. Georgia is pretty much a loss. We can win 1-2 of those games, we are right there at ten wins. FSU to me regresses a ton. I think they just don't have a scary staff. They will recruit well, but outside of their DC hire it's been laughable.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 4:14 pm to Gatorbait2008
It's beyond laughable, they can't even get their staff in place and have been turned down by just about everyone. Their fans are in full-blown panic mode.
Posted on 1/9/18 at 7:53 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
This team has stunk on offense for a long time. It's hard for me to think that is fixed in one year, and the argument that everyone else might stink more doesn't pass the smell test for me.
They are also soft. The defense can't tackle. The speed in the front 7 is no where near what it used to be. UF hasn't had an elite pass rusher in years. The offensive line can't block for shite, so even though UF has pretty good RBs, they aren't going to accomplish much behind this shite OL.
Special teams is a fricking disaster. Just a total shite show. Part of that is injuries, lack of depth, and shite conditioning, so maybe they can fix that in one year. Maybe.
And it goes without saying - this team has no QB and no leadership.
I swear, I just don't understand how anyone can look at this collection of leaderless, beaten-down players and think they are going to win double digit games next year, unless you think the SEC is just going to be the worst conference in football next year.
They are also soft. The defense can't tackle. The speed in the front 7 is no where near what it used to be. UF hasn't had an elite pass rusher in years. The offensive line can't block for shite, so even though UF has pretty good RBs, they aren't going to accomplish much behind this shite OL.
Special teams is a fricking disaster. Just a total shite show. Part of that is injuries, lack of depth, and shite conditioning, so maybe they can fix that in one year. Maybe.
And it goes without saying - this team has no QB and no leadership.
I swear, I just don't understand how anyone can look at this collection of leaderless, beaten-down players and think they are going to win double digit games next year, unless you think the SEC is just going to be the worst conference in football next year.
Posted on 1/9/18 at 7:58 am to slayerxing
Agreed.
Posted on 1/9/18 at 10:41 am to slayerxing
The East will be bad next year just like this year.
I look at it simply. With a substantially worse staff, this team still was good in SEC play till the implosion after the death threat incident. Aggies and LSU game if not missing players we win those games. Team before injuries won 8-9 games last year despite poor coaching. The train wreck occurred after those games.
Good coaching, tons of experience, and better S&C should improve the team. Add in the players out are mostly back.
As for no QB. Just saw two freshman in the national title game. So who's to say Jones can't play pretty well? Brian Johnson and Mullen are pretty good QB coaches comparable to anyone in the NCAA. So it's not a reach to assume they can't have an early enroll four star QB ready to do at least decently in the SEC in year one.
The depth is lacking in certain areas obviously. This team certainly isn't a team that is going to win any sort of title. But to claim they have no chance of winning a decent amount with a lack luster schedule is rather short cited to me.
The offense has been dreadful, but you can directly place that on have terrible development at WR, TE, Oline, and I would argue the worst OC in CFB the last four years.
Now add in a far more proven staff. Healthy roster. We can win a good amount of games.
I look at it simply. With a substantially worse staff, this team still was good in SEC play till the implosion after the death threat incident. Aggies and LSU game if not missing players we win those games. Team before injuries won 8-9 games last year despite poor coaching. The train wreck occurred after those games.
Good coaching, tons of experience, and better S&C should improve the team. Add in the players out are mostly back.
As for no QB. Just saw two freshman in the national title game. So who's to say Jones can't play pretty well? Brian Johnson and Mullen are pretty good QB coaches comparable to anyone in the NCAA. So it's not a reach to assume they can't have an early enroll four star QB ready to do at least decently in the SEC in year one.
The depth is lacking in certain areas obviously. This team certainly isn't a team that is going to win any sort of title. But to claim they have no chance of winning a decent amount with a lack luster schedule is rather short cited to me.
The offense has been dreadful, but you can directly place that on have terrible development at WR, TE, Oline, and I would argue the worst OC in CFB the last four years.
Now add in a far more proven staff. Healthy roster. We can win a good amount of games.
This post was edited on 1/9/18 at 10:43 am
Posted on 1/9/18 at 12:18 pm to Gatorbait2008
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I look at it simply. With a substantially worse staff, this team still was good in SEC play till the implosion after the death threat incident. Aggies and LSU game if not missing players we win those games. Team before injuries won 8-9 games last year despite poor coaching. The train wreck occurred after those games.
LOL.
It took a miracle TD pass to beat a UT team that went winless in the SEC, and UF was damn lucky they didn't lose to Kentucky. They also got in a shoot out with a crappy vanderbilt team. Color me not impressed.
A lot can change with a new coach, but to say this team was playing well before injuries is garbage. They couldn't run the ball consistently, they had issues tackling, special teams was bad, QB was bad, TE was bad, WR play was mediocre outside of 1 guy, and about the only bright spots on the ENTIRE TEAM were Bryan, Wilson at corner, Toney & Cleveland at WR, and Davis at RB.
Bryan is in the NFL, Wilson regressed as the season went along, Davis is out with an extended injury, and Toney and Cleveland couldn't keep themselves on the field because of injuries.
So... yeah. Not super confident, but a lot can change during the off season.
Posted on 1/9/18 at 12:23 pm to Gatorbait2008
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This team has stunk on offense for a long time. It's hard for me to think that is fixed in one year, and the argument that everyone else might stink more doesn't pass the smell test for me.
Weird, because I saw Alabama's offense fixed in one night just by a simple quarterback change. Obviously not saying we're Alabama, or Mullen is Saban, however...
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With a substantially worse staff, this team still was good in SEC play till the implosion after the death threat incident. Aggies and LSU game if not missing players we win those games. Team before injuries won 8-9 games last year despite poor coaching. The train wreck occurred after those games.
This.
We have a much, much better staff in place at all positions outside of RB which we retained.
Our defense held Texas A&M to their lowest points all year except for one defense...
Mississippi fricking State.
Really, we were only out of two games and if we had anyone (and I mean anyone) other than Franks we would have won those games and had a 9 - 2 season with losses to Georgia and Mizzou. Our defense did what it could, and only broke when our offense showed itself to be weak -- a lot of the ''softness'' came in the second half due to our offense just not producing.
Posted on 1/9/18 at 1:03 pm to slayerxing
What did LSU finish?
Took a missed extra point. But you'll dismiss that? Kentucky was a good team went to a bowl. Tenn was okay starting the season vs Tech till they got figured out. Georgia beat down ended their season just like ours.
This team played well enough. Not well by our standards. Missing how many players? Want to tell me 27 players out for LSU had no impact on the game we lost by one point by a missed extra point? Really?
This staff was truly awful. I preached that shite over and over with TJ and got scorned for it. Now I'm saying the opposite. I've never been exceptionally optimistic. I try to see what reality is for our football team.
Reality is this team till losing over 1/4 of the roster was an okay team. Certainly bowl worthy. That is with the worst coaching staff in the SEC besides maybe Tenn. As for WR play we just added a proven transfer in Jefferson who's got pretty decent stats in a loaded receiving core. A five star player who sat out for personal reasons and is highly heralded. Add in a coach substantially better at development than Dixon who can actually coach them. Swain and Hammond suck sure. But the new guys will make a fairly quick impact. Both should get clearance to play next year.
Wilson was voted All SEC. If that's regression, I'll take it. Players lost heart. Stopped believing. That happens when everything breaks down around you. This team isn't that bad. Just needed a change at the top. It isn't a 6 win team. I would avatar bet for a year we win at least 8. If everything goes well, 10. We aren't going 6-6 I can damn sure say that. Not with that schedule, and the fact our staff is very good and very proven.
Took a missed extra point. But you'll dismiss that? Kentucky was a good team went to a bowl. Tenn was okay starting the season vs Tech till they got figured out. Georgia beat down ended their season just like ours.
This team played well enough. Not well by our standards. Missing how many players? Want to tell me 27 players out for LSU had no impact on the game we lost by one point by a missed extra point? Really?
This staff was truly awful. I preached that shite over and over with TJ and got scorned for it. Now I'm saying the opposite. I've never been exceptionally optimistic. I try to see what reality is for our football team.
Reality is this team till losing over 1/4 of the roster was an okay team. Certainly bowl worthy. That is with the worst coaching staff in the SEC besides maybe Tenn. As for WR play we just added a proven transfer in Jefferson who's got pretty decent stats in a loaded receiving core. A five star player who sat out for personal reasons and is highly heralded. Add in a coach substantially better at development than Dixon who can actually coach them. Swain and Hammond suck sure. But the new guys will make a fairly quick impact. Both should get clearance to play next year.
Wilson was voted All SEC. If that's regression, I'll take it. Players lost heart. Stopped believing. That happens when everything breaks down around you. This team isn't that bad. Just needed a change at the top. It isn't a 6 win team. I would avatar bet for a year we win at least 8. If everything goes well, 10. We aren't going 6-6 I can damn sure say that. Not with that schedule, and the fact our staff is very good and very proven.
Posted on 1/9/18 at 2:22 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
9-3
win one of
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lsu
fsu
msu
being pessimistic.
we will run every other team out of the stadium.
win one of
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lsu
fsu
msu
being pessimistic.
we will run every other team out of the stadium.
Posted on 1/9/18 at 2:46 pm to Gatorbait2008
Reality:
No QB.
Poor OL play for years now.
Poor tackling.
Poor S&C.
Poor Special teams for a while now.
Undisciplined for a while now.
Locker room issues all year before.
Entirely new offensive and defensive systems.
If this was any team other than Florida you would be laughing at how bad they would be the next season.
I mean, Dan Mullen should be a good hire, and I like his staff based on their experience in the SEC, but the problems at Florida are systemic right now and will take at least a full year to fix, IMO.
No QB.
Poor OL play for years now.
Poor tackling.
Poor S&C.
Poor Special teams for a while now.
Undisciplined for a while now.
Locker room issues all year before.
Entirely new offensive and defensive systems.
If this was any team other than Florida you would be laughing at how bad they would be the next season.
I mean, Dan Mullen should be a good hire, and I like his staff based on their experience in the SEC, but the problems at Florida are systemic right now and will take at least a full year to fix, IMO.
Posted on 1/9/18 at 5:08 pm to slayerxing
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Reality:
Slayer's reality.
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No QB.
You don't know that.
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Poor OL play for years now.
Not nearly as bad as they've been the last few years, Franks just has a forte of getting sacked and having no vision.
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Poor tackling.
Losing 7 defensive players before the season starts kinda sucks. Losing both starting safeties is even worse. Garnder looked much better against UAB and FSU, and will now move back to his natural position.
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Poor S&C.
That can easily change in one Summer.
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Entirely new offensive
That's very modular and easily learned. He doesn't have a very difficult offensive scheme to learn -- I think it would have been more difficult with Frost/Norvel. Our RBs are going to carry the team and it'll be easy.
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defensive systems.
Going from 4 - 3 to 3 - 4 isn't rocket science, either. Very little is going to change, and we will rely a lot on our CBs and Safeties (which is where we will probably have more trouble).
But, if they can hold A&M, LSU, FSU, Kentucky and Tennessee this year, I can't see any reason they won't next year? Unless you think we'll magically fall to the sixties in defense simply because we're not running a 4 - 3 with no blitzing.
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I mean, Dan Mullen should be a good hire, and I like his staff based on their experience in the SEC, but the problems at Florida are systemic right now and will take at least a full year to fix, IMO.
Maybe, but I mean Mullen has never worked with actual talent. His recruiting classes were averaging outside of 20 at MSU and both his offense and defense were decent to good.
His bare bones coaching staff just won a game, and most of them are coming to Florida with some other great hires. I like where we're at, and I don't think it's a stretch to think he can improve on what McElwain left.
The talent and team is pretty much the exact same moving forward, the only difference is that we actually have playmakers (Grimes, Van Jefferson, Copeland, Cleveland, Toney, Davis, Pierce, Lemmons etc. etc.) and a QB who is going to develop under Dan motherfrickin' Mullen, bro. GET EXCITED.
Posted on 1/9/18 at 5:16 pm to slayerxing
Reality.
Freshman QB's were just in the title game. Jones is highly rated. Put two and two together.
Oline actually improved greatly. Franks was the fault most of the times. Our line is actually pretty good. So no.
Tackling is coaching. Coaching changed. Should improve.
New ST coach can change it. Just got an amazing kicker and have a good punter in Town's bother. We just need basics. Returning and defending punts. Really not a hard concept for a basic coach to install.
Yes. Don't think an entire staff can change that? You do know coaches are responsible for this...right?
We def need these. Reese came on at the end of the year. I think him, CeCe, and Ivey need to step up as the leaders.
I'm not claiming it's all fixed over night. I'm claiming the basics are fixed. With our schedule, that alone is six wins. Now add in experience. Another win or two. Add in better coaching...ding ding.
Like I said. Avatar bet for over 8 wins. Deal?
Freshman QB's were just in the title game. Jones is highly rated. Put two and two together.
Oline actually improved greatly. Franks was the fault most of the times. Our line is actually pretty good. So no.
Tackling is coaching. Coaching changed. Should improve.
New ST coach can change it. Just got an amazing kicker and have a good punter in Town's bother. We just need basics. Returning and defending punts. Really not a hard concept for a basic coach to install.
Yes. Don't think an entire staff can change that? You do know coaches are responsible for this...right?
We def need these. Reese came on at the end of the year. I think him, CeCe, and Ivey need to step up as the leaders.
I'm not claiming it's all fixed over night. I'm claiming the basics are fixed. With our schedule, that alone is six wins. Now add in experience. Another win or two. Add in better coaching...ding ding.
Like I said. Avatar bet for over 8 wins. Deal?
Posted on 1/10/18 at 8:17 am to Gatorbait2008
I haven't changed my avatar in forever, seems like a good time for a change, Lol. You better give me something epic if UF wins more than 8 games in the regular season.
So yeah, if UF wins MORE than 8 games in the regular season, you can change my avatar to a giant turd for all I care. Ill just be happy UF doesn't suck anymore.
So yeah, if UF wins MORE than 8 games in the regular season, you can change my avatar to a giant turd for all I care. Ill just be happy UF doesn't suck anymore.
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