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re: Emory or Trask
Posted on 2/15/20 at 1:21 pm to olemc999
Posted on 2/15/20 at 1:21 pm to olemc999
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And IF Franks wouldn’t of got injured he would of thrown about 10-15 interceptions
Based on what considering their comp%s minus UTM and Towson games are pretty identical?
Trask is a former 3-star recruit, according to 247Sports. He redshirted his first year on his campus and underwent multiple operations last year. He required knee surgery in the spring of 2017 to repair a torn meniscus and later went under the knife for a foot injury suffered days before the 2017 season opener, missing the entire campaign as a result.
Also missed his chance to start in 18 due to injuring himself in practice the week he was named the starter.
Guy has had multiple surgeries over the years so lets stop acting like He never gets hurt. He’s just as susceptible to injury as anyone else.
This post was edited on 2/15/20 at 1:31 pm
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Posted on 2/15/20 at 2:03 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Kentucky and Miami, and before people start talking about their pass defenses -- they weren't that great, either of them.
Miami’s pass defense held Perkins of UVA to 252 yards / zero tds on 42 attempts
Better than
UF - 323 yards 4 tds
Clemson - 266 2 tds
VT - 311 1 td
ND - 334 2 tds
KY held Fromm to 35 yards on 12 passes
This post was edited on 2/15/20 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 2/15/20 at 3:11 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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People also talk about Trask's fumbles, mostly against Tennessee and Auburn but forget that Franks was still fumbling routine hand offs.
First 3 opponents Franks has 2 fumbles. 1 v Miami and 1 v Ky
Trask had a fumble vs Towson, a fumble vs Tenn and 3 vs Auburn
Damn dude. Kids gone, let it go.
Posted on 2/15/20 at 4:45 pm to dbuchanon
UVA's offense isn't that prolific -- we could have stopped them and did the moment we played press man. That's why Kaiir picked off their Quarterback.
Fromm's not a good Quarterback and I've said it for years. The rain exposed his tiny lil' hands and he couldn't get anything done.
Kentucky also had a controlling offense with Bowden, who ate up a lot of time so the defense wasn't on the field that much -- but you can see that most teams could run against Kentucky at will when they were permitted to.
They averaged 4.6 defensively on the ground (for reference, Florida gave up 3.3) which is actually a huge jump in production on the ground.
I digress:
They were not stalwart defensive teams and Franks struggled with both of them and was a turnover machine, having 5 turnovers in two games.
In Trask's final 7 games he had 5 turnovers, and those were considerably more difficult teams. (LSU, Georgia, Virginia)
Also, Albino brought him up, goofy, so I politely showed him why Franks wouldn't outperform or even come close to performing near Trask as the year went on.
Trask with experience and the entire attention of the coaching staff is going to light it up.
Just a shame you guys are going to be languishing over it.
Fromm's not a good Quarterback and I've said it for years. The rain exposed his tiny lil' hands and he couldn't get anything done.
Kentucky also had a controlling offense with Bowden, who ate up a lot of time so the defense wasn't on the field that much -- but you can see that most teams could run against Kentucky at will when they were permitted to.
They averaged 4.6 defensively on the ground (for reference, Florida gave up 3.3) which is actually a huge jump in production on the ground.
I digress:
They were not stalwart defensive teams and Franks struggled with both of them and was a turnover machine, having 5 turnovers in two games.
In Trask's final 7 games he had 5 turnovers, and those were considerably more difficult teams. (LSU, Georgia, Virginia)
Also, Albino brought him up, goofy, so I politely showed him why Franks wouldn't outperform or even come close to performing near Trask as the year went on.
Trask with experience and the entire attention of the coaching staff is going to light it up.
Just a shame you guys are going to be languishing over it.
Posted on 2/15/20 at 5:04 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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n Trask's final 7 games he had 5 turnovers, and those were considerably more difficult teams.
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Virginia
Lmao. UVA is like 48 teams behind Miami in pass Defense rankings both KY and Miami give up less than 200 ypg on avg passing.
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Just a shame you guys are going to be languishing over it.
No, i already said if he wins the job I support him like I did this season. Find one game thread where I trashed him. Ill wait.
Only you hope our players fail for your own “vindication”
The rest of us want the team to win
Posted on 2/15/20 at 6:58 pm to dbuchanon
If you want the team to win I'm not sure why you wouldn't support the guy who won the job and won our games.
Emory has shown nothing that suggests he should even be considered for starter over Trask with the personnel that we have.
If you wanted the team to win I'm not sure why you cape so hard for Franks even after he's left. Sure, he's gone, but he was bad.
My problem is that it wasn't like my claims were unfounded or without evidence, I gave plenty of evidence and you took it to mean I wanted Franks to fail, I simply told you why he was failing and why Trask would succeed. That happened.
Now stop being so butthurt about being wrong and support your QB1.
Emory has shown nothing that suggests he should even be considered for starter over Trask with the personnel that we have.
If you wanted the team to win I'm not sure why you cape so hard for Franks even after he's left.
Sure, he's gone, but he was bad. My problem is that it wasn't like my claims were unfounded or without evidence, I gave plenty of evidence and you took it to mean I wanted Franks to fail, I simply told you why he was failing and why Trask would succeed. That happened.
Now stop being so butthurt about being wrong and support your QB1.
Posted on 2/15/20 at 7:21 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Now stop being so butthurt about being wrong
And what am I wrong about, exactly??
Did I ever say Franks was great? No
Did I ever say he’s taking us to ATL? No
I said he won the job with the coaches so he must be doing or showing them something that Trask isnt. Franks also won the job with the prior staff. So, thats 2 offensive coaches who started him over Kyle
Just like I never said GIVE Emory the job, I said Id like to see him win it because he’d bring another dimension to the offense
This post was edited on 2/15/20 at 8:46 pm
Posted on 2/15/20 at 7:29 pm to dbuchanon
Posted by dbuchanon online on 2/10/20 at 5:33 pm to slayerxing
Players dont get benched in the offseason. They get beat out
Open comp. Best man wins.
^^^^^
My post on page 2 of this thread
Players dont get benched in the offseason. They get beat out
Open comp. Best man wins.
^^^^^
My post on page 2 of this thread
Posted on 2/15/20 at 8:46 pm to dbuchanon
Why do you think there needs to be a competition? Why would it need to be open?
Has Trask given you something to doubt about his ability? (Here's where your ingratiating attempt to appeal to simplicity will fall.)
How good of a position do you think we're in if Trask doesn't play here next year? Scale of 1 - 10, 1 being the worst position, 10 being the best?
Has Trask given you something to doubt about his ability? (Here's where your ingratiating attempt to appeal to simplicity will fall.)
How good of a position do you think we're in if Trask doesn't play here next year? Scale of 1 - 10, 1 being the worst position, 10 being the best?
Posted on 2/15/20 at 9:15 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Why do you think there needs to be a competition? Why would it need to be open?
Funny.
About the OL DT and Safety
“No job is safe, the best should play.”
About the QB
“He said Gators are his family so he deserves to play”
Jones came here over other TOP programs to play for Mullen so yeah if he performs better than Trask this camp he should absolutely be able to win the job. Especially when he can run the entire playbook
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Has Trask given you something to doubt about his ability?
0.1 yards per carry. Like I said, he cant run the playbook. All coaches have tendencies, plays they run in certain parts of the field and down to go scenerios ect. - everyone was quick to complain about playcalls ect when Dan cant call the plays he likes that have been proven to work for him over his career- We brought Mullen in to run his offense, right? So yeah, I want the man who has the physical ability to run it to its best potential to win the job as this offense has been at its best historically with a dual threat. (Urban and Mullen teams)
Look at Leak as the starter, pass heavy.
Tebow the next year, Offense avgd more points per game.
Look at Trask this year, pass heavy.
As bad as you say Franks was-Im not saying he was great- but the team had a higher ppg last year with a dual threat.
Thats the way this offense has always been.
If you cant understand that, then I got nothing else for ya
This post was edited on 2/15/20 at 11:45 pm
Posted on 2/16/20 at 12:28 am to dbuchanon
I think the best Quarterback should play, Emory has shown nothing to me that he's better than Trask or gives us more of a chance to win.
You have to give evidence for your argument, I shouldn't have to just fill in the blanks.
Franks ran the entire playbook and had significantly worse results. Jones played a ton last year, too. He will this year as well. I think it's better to have Trask and Emory over just Emory.
Yeah, Ohio State's running back outcarried our entire backfield by himself. Going to go ahead and chalk this up to a shitty offensive line.
He literally ran the playbook, this is white noise nonsense idiocy. He broke multiple records and had just as many rushing touchdowns as Emory lol.
There you go again giving Franks credit for a team effort. Hmmm, let's see:
2019: 5,600 yards.
2018: 5,549.
2019: 3,910 yards. (Passing) --> Trask failing in the offense.
2018: 2,773 yards. --> Franks carrying the team.
2019: 1,690 yards. (Rushing)--> Trask failing.
2018: 2,773 yards. --> Franks carrying the team.
Holy frick this is a new level of delusional.
I'm going to posit a different take:
Franks had a functioning rush offense and offensive line, Trask did not.
Despite that, Trask finished the year:
589 more yards.
8.8% better completion rate.
Two more touchdowns.
62 more completions.
He also split snaps the entire year.
He also didn't start for three games to begin the year.
So he started fewer games, achieved more passing success in every single category and did so without a rushing threat.
But it's his fault that the offense didn't work.
Franks underperforms him in every passing category and does so with a viable offensive line and rushing threat.
But it's his glory because he rushed for a few yards here and there?
He's not this prolific runner, and the offense was not successful because Feleipe could run -- it was successful because he had an offensive line that could block for him.
You have to give evidence for your argument, I shouldn't have to just fill in the blanks.
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Jones came here over other TOP programs to play for Mullen so yeah if he performs better than Trask this camp he should absolutely be able to win the job. Especially when he can run the entire playbook
Franks ran the entire playbook and had significantly worse results. Jones played a ton last year, too. He will this year as well. I think it's better to have Trask and Emory over just Emory.
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0.1 yards per carry.
Yeah, Ohio State's running back outcarried our entire backfield by himself. Going to go ahead and chalk this up to a shitty offensive line.
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Like I said, he cant run the playbook.
He literally ran the playbook, this is white noise nonsense idiocy. He broke multiple records and had just as many rushing touchdowns as Emory lol.
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As bad as you say Franks was-Im not saying he was great- but the team had a higher ppg last year with a dual threat.
There you go again giving Franks credit for a team effort. Hmmm, let's see:
2019: 5,600 yards.
2018: 5,549.
2019: 3,910 yards. (Passing) --> Trask failing in the offense.
2018: 2,773 yards. --> Franks carrying the team.
2019: 1,690 yards. (Rushing)--> Trask failing.
2018: 2,773 yards. --> Franks carrying the team.
Holy frick this is a new level of delusional.
I'm going to posit a different take:
Franks had a functioning rush offense and offensive line, Trask did not.
Despite that, Trask finished the year:
589 more yards.
8.8% better completion rate.
Two more touchdowns.
62 more completions.
He also split snaps the entire year.
He also didn't start for three games to begin the year.
So he started fewer games, achieved more passing success in every single category and did so without a rushing threat.
But it's his fault that the offense didn't work.
Franks underperforms him in every passing category and does so with a viable offensive line and rushing threat.
But it's his glory because he rushed for a few yards here and there?
He's not this prolific runner, and the offense was not successful because Feleipe could run -- it was successful because he had an offensive line that could block for him.
Posted on 2/16/20 at 12:29 am to dbuchanon
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Based on what
This post was edited on 2/16/20 at 12:37 am
Posted on 2/16/20 at 12:40 am to olemc999
I do dis.
And the worst part about both of those is that he's not even being pressured. One at all, the other is a little pressure but not nearly enough to throw into triple coverage.
At least a lot of Trask's bad passes were because he couldn't trust his line.
And the worst part about both of those is that he's not even being pressured. One at all, the other is a little pressure but not nearly enough to throw into triple coverage.
At least a lot of Trask's bad passes were because he couldn't trust his line.
This post was edited on 2/16/20 at 12:42 am
Posted on 2/16/20 at 12:47 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Perine slipped out wide the frick open on that play too.
Posted on 2/16/20 at 9:45 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Be sure to let me know when YARDS start winning games.
We scored more ppg last year. Period.
Yet Emory had 6.1 ypc
Again, a running QB strains the defense into playing 11 on 11, changing their ability to run certain coverages ect.
We scored more ppg last year. Period.
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Going to go ahead and chalk this up to a shitty offensive line.
Yet Emory had 6.1 ypc
Again, a running QB strains the defense into playing 11 on 11, changing their ability to run certain coverages ect.
This post was edited on 2/16/20 at 9:55 am
Posted on 2/16/20 at 10:01 am to olemc999
Go watch that first play of the UVA game again. Watch Pitts and get back to me.
Im not saying Trask is a bad QB, but you guys acting like he doesnt miss wide open receivers and/or throws late into coverage are proven wrong on one play where he did both.
Im not saying Trask is a bad QB, but you guys acting like he doesnt miss wide open receivers and/or throws late into coverage are proven wrong on one play where he did both.
This post was edited on 2/16/20 at 10:37 am
Posted on 2/16/20 at 10:20 am to dbuchanon
It is what it is, we’ll see who starts and roll with it.
Go Gators
Go Gators
Posted on 2/16/20 at 12:32 pm to dbuchanon
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Yet Emory had 6.1 ypc
He also had 2.0 yards vs. South Carolina and Georgia. It's great until it doesn't work and he has to pass. We haven't seen him go into a third and long and throw into a passing defense.
You can't take one stat from limited snaps and try to make it into an argument to unseat a guy who had tons of snaps and was successful all year.
Trask averaged 294.1 yards passing a game.
If that's someone who can't run the offense I feel like you're just being dishonest with us.
Posted on 2/16/20 at 1:12 pm to dbuchanon
No QB is perfect.
You have to look at the whole body of work, not just one play.
His body of work was very strong.
You have to look at the whole body of work, not just one play.
His body of work was very strong.
Posted on 2/16/20 at 1:15 pm to dbuchanon
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Be sure to let me know when YARDS start winning games.
We scored more ppg last year. Period.
Because UF could actually run block. Blaming that on Trask is outrageous, and UF would have lost more games WITHOUT him. The offense last year was garbage until he took over.
Without Trask, Kentucky is definitely a loss. Auburn is most likely a loss, and UF might not have beaten south carolina.
Trask turned an 8-4 or 7-5 team into an 11-2 team because he was able to take advantage of our receivers. There is a reason Pitts had done nothing until Trask took over. FRANKS COULD NOT EVER GET HIM THE BALL.
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