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re: Emory or Trask
Posted on 2/11/20 at 3:47 pm to dbuchanon
Posted on 2/11/20 at 3:47 pm to dbuchanon
What have I lied about?
Trask is top ten in Total QBR.
He's top 15 in regular QBR.
He's top ten in 247's returning Quarterbacks.
He's the best passing Quarterback since Rex Grossman.
He out threw Chris Leak's coveted 2006 Championship year.
Broke Leak's consecutive completion school record.
More 300 yard games than the last 11 years of Gators Quarterbacks combined.
Highest completion percentage in Florida Quarterback history.
First Gator Quarterback to be on the Heisman watch since Tim Tebow.
First Gator Quarterback to throw for multiple touchdowns against Georgia since Tim Tebow.
First Gator Quarterback to throw for 300 yards @LSU since Rex Grossman did in 2001.
But yeah, bench him for Emory.
Trask is top ten in Total QBR.
He's top 15 in regular QBR.
He's top ten in 247's returning Quarterbacks.
He's the best passing Quarterback since Rex Grossman.
He out threw Chris Leak's coveted 2006 Championship year.
Broke Leak's consecutive completion school record.
More 300 yard games than the last 11 years of Gators Quarterbacks combined.
Highest completion percentage in Florida Quarterback history.
First Gator Quarterback to be on the Heisman watch since Tim Tebow.
First Gator Quarterback to throw for multiple touchdowns against Georgia since Tim Tebow.
First Gator Quarterback to throw for 300 yards @LSU since Rex Grossman did in 2001.
But yeah, bench him for Emory.
Posted on 2/11/20 at 3:54 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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What have I lied about?
Saying he had the best game vs LSU when he was outplayed by Texas QB and Tua by a vast margin.
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He out threw Chris Leak's coveted 2006 Championship year
Except for the Championships lmao
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He's the best passing Quarterback since Rex Grossman.
Hard to beat Treon. And he couldnt carry Rex’s jock. Stop embarrassing yourself by putting them in the same sentence.
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First Gator Quarterback to throw for multiple touchdowns against Georgia since Tim Tebow.
Ill take a Treon win over a “at least the QB threw 2 tds” in a loss
At least we see where your heads at.
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First Gator Quarterback to throw for 300 yards @LSU since Rex Grossman did in 2001.
Another loss
Posted on 2/11/20 at 4:00 pm to dbuchanon
We're talking about how good he is as a Quarterback.
Blaming Trask for not winning championships when Emory hasn't done it either is like brain damage levels of stupidity.
Blaming Trask for not winning championships when Emory hasn't done it either is like brain damage levels of stupidity.
Posted on 2/11/20 at 5:33 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Trask had 66.9 Comp % with an 8.3 yard per avg passing with a 0.1 avg yard per rush
Emory had 65.8 % with a 7 yard per avg while rushing for 6.1 yards per carry.
So, Yes Ill trade a single percentage of completion and a yard per pass for a guy who can run the entire playbook while adding the threat to turn any play into a big run if the pass isnt there.
Emory had 65.8 % with a 7 yard per avg while rushing for 6.1 yards per carry.
So, Yes Ill trade a single percentage of completion and a yard per pass for a guy who can run the entire playbook while adding the threat to turn any play into a big run if the pass isnt there.
Posted on 2/11/20 at 6:03 pm to dbuchanon
Yeah, Emory got injured and couldn't play fully the rest of the game.
Great plan, idiot.
Definitely let's do that. I mean, what bad could happen?
Only a Redshirt Senior top ten Quarterback leaving the program and a True Freshman taking over for Emory with no backup.
That you can't just admit you're wrong and triple down on bad take after bad take is hilarious.
Great plan, idiot.
Definitely let's do that. I mean, what bad could happen?
Only a Redshirt Senior top ten Quarterback leaving the program and a True Freshman taking over for Emory with no backup.
That you can't just admit you're wrong and triple down on bad take after bad take is hilarious.
Posted on 2/11/20 at 6:56 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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idiot
It's ok, we understand you cant make a point without name calling.
You have my pity
Posted on 2/11/20 at 6:57 pm to dbuchanon
You just compared trask to heisman candidate qbs.
I hate our fanbase sometimes.
Also maybe I am a woman so go frick your self.
I hate our fanbase sometimes.
Also maybe I am a woman so go frick your self.
Posted on 2/11/20 at 7:01 pm to slayerxing
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You just compared trask to heisman candidate qbs.
Isnt that what "prolific" QBs are? I said he was average, you guys said he's more. So what is it? Is he average or is he elite?
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Also maybe I am a woman so go frick your self.
Aw
Posted on 2/11/20 at 7:02 pm to dbuchanon
Jones is a good player but he had all 4 rushing TDs against Vandy and UT martin. Not exactly the best competition.
His best passing games were all mop up against a really bad Vandy team, and then Towson.
He had one TD against LSU that was more about PErine making a play than anything Jones did.
I just don't see how you look at this body of work and say he should be starting over Trask.
I guess in the long run, I don't care who starts, I just think this Gator Fan fascination with the backup QB is bad for the team this year.
His best passing games were all mop up against a really bad Vandy team, and then Towson.
He had one TD against LSU that was more about PErine making a play than anything Jones did.
I just don't see how you look at this body of work and say he should be starting over Trask.
I guess in the long run, I don't care who starts, I just think this Gator Fan fascination with the backup QB is bad for the team this year.
Posted on 2/11/20 at 7:04 pm to dbuchanon
No where did anyone that I see compare him to a heisman candidate.
But he is in full control of this offense and puts Florida in a position to win games. Which is exactly what you want your QB to do.
I would also say he is in the 2nd tier of QBs in the country. Not Heisman quality, but certainly good enough to win a title. He was 3rd best in the conference last year, and I think he'll probably be the best this year outside of the PIRATE at MSU doing crazy stuff with his QB.
But he is in full control of this offense and puts Florida in a position to win games. Which is exactly what you want your QB to do.
I would also say he is in the 2nd tier of QBs in the country. Not Heisman quality, but certainly good enough to win a title. He was 3rd best in the conference last year, and I think he'll probably be the best this year outside of the PIRATE at MSU doing crazy stuff with his QB.
Posted on 2/11/20 at 7:40 pm to slayerxing
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He was 3rd best in the conference last year
I'll admit I chuckle when ppl say this. Look at the gap between 1/2 and then 3. Pretty much saying he's the tallest of the remaining midgets
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I would also say he is in the 2nd tier of QBs in the country
So, average, like I said? You guys are falling all over yourselves defending an average QB, lashing out and name calling anyone who says they would like to see the guy with the bigger arm and playmaking ability get a chance to lead the team while being able to use the entire playbook.
Id understand the notion if he were putting up Tua numbers and leading us to wins over teams we're not supposed to beat. But he didn't.
I guess my definition of "prolific" is different from others. When I say this guy is a prolific passer, that means he's putting up Heisman-ish games vs good teams. I admit I never saw a game this season where I was like man, he's the guy. no one else could've made that throw.
If he wins the job he wins the job. Ill support him like I did this season.
This post was edited on 2/11/20 at 7:45 pm
Posted on 2/11/20 at 8:04 pm to dbuchanon
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I said he was average
Aside from the clickbaity PFF, in what metric is he average?
Posted on 2/11/20 at 8:53 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
237comp / 354att 25tds 7ints / Ran for 8 yards (on 63 attempts-yikes-)4 tds. 29 total tds
238comp / 354att 41tds 3ints / Ran for 484 yards 10 tds. 51 total tds
2 QBs, both first year starters with the same amount of pass attempts. 1 QB (in his first year with the team) is considered in the upper echelon of CFB QBs, led his team to an undefeated season, a Conf title and the playoffs. The other is average/good.
238comp / 354att 41tds 3ints / Ran for 484 yards 10 tds. 51 total tds
2 QBs, both first year starters with the same amount of pass attempts. 1 QB (in his first year with the team) is considered in the upper echelon of CFB QBs, led his team to an undefeated season, a Conf title and the playoffs. The other is average/good.
Posted on 2/11/20 at 9:14 pm to dbuchanon
I have no problem with Trask being the starter I think he has earned it BUT!!!!!!!!
If E.J. improves in the off season and our O-Line doesn't improve Trask will get hit ALOT and we all know about the fumbles early on I think he will have at least 4 fumbles and at least 5 ints within the first 6 games.
In which I think E.J. will be the better option going forward
If E.J. improves in the off season and our O-Line doesn't improve Trask will get hit ALOT and we all know about the fumbles early on I think he will have at least 4 fumbles and at least 5 ints within the first 6 games.
In which I think E.J. will be the better option going forward
Posted on 2/11/20 at 9:45 pm to AlbinoGator
You guys make no sense, man.
How does a run-first Quarterback lessen the hits on the Quarterback? Is he also not going to be passing at all, how does that change anything?
Emory probably took the same amount of hits (95% of his runs end in contact) on significantly less snaps.
He will get significantly more than Trask will.
How does a run-first Quarterback lessen the hits on the Quarterback? Is he also not going to be passing at all, how does that change anything?
Emory probably took the same amount of hits (95% of his runs end in contact) on significantly less snaps.
He will get significantly more than Trask will.
Posted on 2/11/20 at 9:51 pm to dbuchanon
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2 QBs, both first year starters with the same amount of pass attempts. 1 QB (in his first year with the team) is considered in the upper echelon of CFB QBs, led his team to an undefeated season, a Conf title and the playoffs. The other is average/good.
So he's not the best so he's average? In what world does that make sense?
I mean, similarly, because you're talking about Justin Fields: He had an all-star running back and offensive line.
Just for reference:
RB1 for Ohio State had a 2,000 yard year.
RB1 for us had 678.
RB2 for Ohio State 789 yards.
RB2 for us had 305.
Their top Running Back literally had double the yards rushing than both of our top running backs. In fact, their top running back had more yards than our entire backfield combined.
I get that you're all in on this narrative but you're comparing apples to hand grenades.
This post was edited on 2/11/20 at 9:55 pm
Posted on 2/11/20 at 10:13 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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I mean, similarly, because you're talking about Justin Fields
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He had an all-star running back and offensive line.
Fields was sacked 31 times, Trask 22.
Why you bringing up RBs, didn't you scream we should just say fk the run and go Air Raid over half the season?? Now that's your reason Trask couldn't be a more explosive passer?
Next excuse??
This post was edited on 2/11/20 at 10:17 pm
Posted on 2/11/20 at 10:27 pm to dbuchanon
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Fields was sacked 31 times, Trask 22.
Trask is a better passer, what can I say?
You also neglected to post that Fields started 14 games, Trask started 10.
You also forgot that Trask split snaps all year.
Again, you're comparing apples to hand grenades.
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Why you bringing up RBs, didn't you scream we should just say fk the run and go Air Raid over half the season?? Now that's your reason Trask couldn't be a more explosive passer
Uhhh, throwing against teams that have to actively defend the run makes it much easier to actually throw.
It's actually much more impressive to pass into pass defenses than it is to pass into balanced or run defenses. When a guy gets a 2,000 yard rushing year, that means that every eye is in the backfield instead of their assignments.
Why are you being so stupid about this?
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Next excuse??
TBI? I have no idea what happened to you.
Posted on 2/11/20 at 11:13 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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that means that every eye is in the backfield instead of their assignments.
Thank you!
Took awhile but we finally got you there. So, like I said, Jones doesn't have to be the pinpoint passer that Trask is because ala Dak and Tebow(Neither known for accuracy), the threat of him running the ball mixed with the backfield RB threat/playaction ect will freeze the defense thus opening up lanes for high percentage / big play throws that go big.
OSU runs a very similar offense to what we do (Urban tree) and just like I said earlier with Leak (pure passer) and Tebow (dual threat) this offense is at its most effective with the dual threat guy than it is with a pocket passer.
Look at our points per game in 06 with Leak then look at the next years avg with Tebow. Spoiler: Its more. And there's a Heisman mixed in there as well.
So, like I said post one on this topic. Trask is a good player, and in a different system like Leach's he could be a handful. But this system is built for a different type of player and has to have that player to be at its best so with that being the case, Id go Jones. If Mullen goes with trask, so be it(I'll support him 100%). But if Jones wins the job, I feel we do better. My O P I N I O N based on past scenarios with this system and the types of QBs we've seen.
This post was edited on 2/11/20 at 11:15 pm
Posted on 2/12/20 at 12:13 am to dbuchanon
That doesn't help as much as you think it does. Again, Franks was a pretty decent runner but it doesn't do anything. You're relying on dominating Receivers to win 50/50 balls and guess what?
We're replacing almost all of them. That means that Jones is going to be blitzed almost every single down and because he's not that good of a passer we're going to see the exact same thing that happened to Franks.
You're also forgetting that there's no one behind Jones except for a True Freshman.
It's literally disaster territory. And all because we wanted to eek out a few more yards on the ground when we had a perfectly serviceable (beyond serviceable, above average) passing game.
We're replacing almost all of them. That means that Jones is going to be blitzed almost every single down and because he's not that good of a passer we're going to see the exact same thing that happened to Franks.
You're also forgetting that there's no one behind Jones except for a True Freshman.
It's literally disaster territory. And all because we wanted to eek out a few more yards on the ground when we had a perfectly serviceable (beyond serviceable, above average) passing game.
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