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re: Emory or Trask
Posted on 2/19/20 at 2:09 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Posted on 2/19/20 at 2:09 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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What about the 300 in Death Valley?
Only took 39 attempts. For a prolific passer shouldve been close to 400 yards
Vs LSU, a hurt Tua had over 400 yards on 40 passes.
Ehlinger had over 400 yards as well
For a good/average passer he’s right in the wheelhouse.
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Trask dunking
Already disproved this. Try again.
But muh 300 yards. Yeah on damn near 40 passes
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Posted on 2/19/20 at 2:32 pm to dbuchanon
The last 4 game stretch after the “wanna thumb-wrestle, ill kick your arse” speech is where Mullen said Franks hit his stride. Looking at his numbers the last 7 games, 4 last year, 3 this yr. Franks was 117 / 168 for 69.6%
Averaged 24 passes a game for a 223 yard avg of 9.3 avg per att. 13 passing tds, 5 rushing and 3 ints.
168 passes, 65 rushes for 18 tds.
So
Last 7 games. Franks comp % 69.6. Avg per pass 9.3
Scored every 12 plays
Trask comp % 66.9 avg per pass 8.3
Scored every 14 plays.
What can I say, both Jones and Franks are more efficient in this offense. Dual threat guys move it better, like I said page 1.
We’ll see how Mullen handles the situation. Im sure it wont involve scraping the playbook.
Go Gators
Averaged 24 passes a game for a 223 yard avg of 9.3 avg per att. 13 passing tds, 5 rushing and 3 ints.
168 passes, 65 rushes for 18 tds.
So
Last 7 games. Franks comp % 69.6. Avg per pass 9.3
Scored every 12 plays
Trask comp % 66.9 avg per pass 8.3
Scored every 14 plays.
What can I say, both Jones and Franks are more efficient in this offense. Dual threat guys move it better, like I said page 1.
We’ll see how Mullen handles the situation. Im sure it wont involve scraping the playbook.
Go Gators
Posted on 2/19/20 at 5:43 pm to dbuchanon
>Muh Tua.
Tua's Total QBR was 94.8.
Joe Burrow's was 94.9.
Sam is 15th in Total QBR, Trask is 10th.
You're terrible at this lmfao.
Tua's team could run the ball, Sam did worse overall than Trask in an easier league regarding defenses.
And how did you disprove that Franks didn't get dunked on?
Trask had:
2018 vs. 2019 (12 games started vs. 10)
23 - 25 Touchdown passes
175 - 237 (Trask threw 52 more times but had 62 more completions)
58.1% - 66.8%
2,352 - 2,941
145.7 - 156.1
67.1 - 81.3 (Total QBR)
48th - 10th
7th - 3rd (SEC Total QBR, Trask would have been 3rd in 2018)
Shiiiidddddd, dog. That looks like domination to me.
Tua's Total QBR was 94.8.
Joe Burrow's was 94.9.
Sam is 15th in Total QBR, Trask is 10th.
You're terrible at this lmfao.
Tua's team could run the ball, Sam did worse overall than Trask in an easier league regarding defenses.
And how did you disprove that Franks didn't get dunked on?
Trask had:
2018 vs. 2019 (12 games started vs. 10)
23 - 25 Touchdown passes
175 - 237 (Trask threw 52 more times but had 62 more completions)
58.1% - 66.8%
2,352 - 2,941
145.7 - 156.1
67.1 - 81.3 (Total QBR)
48th - 10th
7th - 3rd (SEC Total QBR, Trask would have been 3rd in 2018)
Shiiiidddddd, dog. That looks like domination to me.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 7:37 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Tua's team could run the ball
Bama ran for 123 yards vs LSU. Gators ran for 146 yards
Texas ran for 121. Ehlinger had 400 on LSU too
This post was edited on 2/19/20 at 7:40 pm
Posted on 2/19/20 at 11:37 pm to dbuchanon
You fundamentally don't understand football at even a Playstation level.
Alabama rushed it 28 times to our 40 and rushed an average of 4.4 to our 3.7.
I'll give you Texas, but of course, Texas had the luxury of playing in front of their home crowd which helps a lot with communication.
So, too, did Alabama.
Maybe pick a different hill to die on since you already let the Franks getting pwned by Trask one go.
Alabama rushed it 28 times to our 40 and rushed an average of 4.4 to our 3.7.
I'll give you Texas, but of course, Texas had the luxury of playing in front of their home crowd which helps a lot with communication.
So, too, did Alabama.
Maybe pick a different hill to die on since you already let the Franks getting pwned by Trask one go.
This post was edited on 2/20/20 at 12:04 am
Posted on 2/20/20 at 4:30 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Its ok, man. Just admit like I said that Trask is good, not great and needs volume of passing to be effective which is obvious due to his average pass yards per.
He cant push the ball down the field which is what UVA took advantage of and even the announcers mentioned at one point in the game.
Said the UVA DBs were squatting on the short stuff and taking away the easy slants which gave him problems. Most of his passes are in the middle of the field, which is why UVA kept their tall LBs there and gave Kyle problems.
UVA coaches admitted pre game they didnt have the personnel to go to a pass Defense -Nickle/Dime- ie they covered our “prolific” passing game with base personnel. If not for Van being a grown man and taking a pass down the los for 53 yards, you dont have your 300 to boast about. Against lowly UVA who just had their doors blown off the game prior
He cant push the ball down the field which is what UVA took advantage of and even the announcers mentioned at one point in the game.
Said the UVA DBs were squatting on the short stuff and taking away the easy slants which gave him problems. Most of his passes are in the middle of the field, which is why UVA kept their tall LBs there and gave Kyle problems.
UVA coaches admitted pre game they didnt have the personnel to go to a pass Defense -Nickle/Dime- ie they covered our “prolific” passing game with base personnel. If not for Van being a grown man and taking a pass down the los for 53 yards, you dont have your 300 to boast about. Against lowly UVA who just had their doors blown off the game prior
Posted on 2/20/20 at 6:51 am to dbuchanon
We haven’t had a QB that forced a team to scheme against the pass in 10 years.
Don’t you get it?
UVA was forced to scheme for Trask because he is so good at distributing the ball.
Even with that, Trask still threw for 300, UF had 550 total offensive yards, and scored 36.
I think this bears repeating: an opposing team was forced to scheme against the pass because our QB is so good at getting the ball to our receivers especially in the middle of the field.
Using the UVA game as some evidence that Trask is only just good is a fallacy. Did he miss some passes? Sure. But his presence on the field fundamentally changed how UVA had to defend Florida.
Don’t you get it?
UVA was forced to scheme for Trask because he is so good at distributing the ball.
Even with that, Trask still threw for 300, UF had 550 total offensive yards, and scored 36.
I think this bears repeating: an opposing team was forced to scheme against the pass because our QB is so good at getting the ball to our receivers especially in the middle of the field.
Using the UVA game as some evidence that Trask is only just good is a fallacy. Did he miss some passes? Sure. But his presence on the field fundamentally changed how UVA had to defend Florida.
Posted on 2/20/20 at 7:11 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Alabama rushed it 28 times to our 40
So we were more of a threat to run, forcing them to stay put. Im real sure defenses think to themselves “its ok guys, theyre only averaging 3.7 yards a carry, just worry about the pass”
Lmao
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4.4 to our 3.7
Holy shite, such a huge gap. You cant be serious with this shite.
Me: trask got owned by other QBs vs LSU
Straws: we couldnt run, he cant do it all.
Yet vs Miami we ran for 50 yards with a 1.8 ypc average and you shite all over Franks (scored 3 tds) who hit 62% of his passes for a 9.4 yard per avg. only game this season with 2 different wrs having catches of over 65 yards. While Hitting 7 different targets, all but Perine having a 10 ypc average.
Again, its funny af watching you change narratives with each QB.
The passes you give Kyle make you look ridiculous. You even defended his ints saying “They werent a bad picks, they came at a time when it didnt hurt the team”
Possessions are a premium, anytime you give the ball to the other team is bad.
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You fundamentally don't understand football at even a Playstation level.
I always love these posts in online forums. Ppl who’ve never coached a day beat their chest like they have it all figured out.
Go coach a team. Should be easy for you since youre the resident self proclaimed QB guru.
Posted on 2/20/20 at 7:41 am to slayerxing
We ran down UVAs throat for 244 yards.
Shouldnt that have opened up the pass game for a “prolific” passer?
So it seems it doesnt matter with a run game or without. Trask needs 39 passes to get 300 yards.
Good, not great
Stop being offended
Read that again, slowly.
Once again you agree with me. It just takes time.
Shouldnt that have opened up the pass game for a “prolific” passer?
So it seems it doesnt matter with a run game or without. Trask needs 39 passes to get 300 yards.
Good, not great
Stop being offended
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Trask is only just good. Did he miss some passes? Sure.
Read that again, slowly.
Once again you agree with me. It just takes time.
Posted on 2/20/20 at 7:57 am to dbuchanon
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If Mike Leach were our HC, Id want Kyle. We have Mullen, So I want Emory. He's the better fit for Mullen's style of offense.
So. To sum up this thread. My first post said Kyle was good, but not a fit for Mullens offense. Straws n Slay got offended and bitched for 3/4 pages before each admitted Kyle doesnt fit the offense. Straws wants to go pass happy and burn the playbook yet says Kyle has bad games due to no running game.
Cant make this logic up
I say Ill support whoever the starting QB is, several times. 3 pages later, It still hasnt sunk in
Posted on 2/20/20 at 8:26 am to dbuchanon
I didn't agree with you.
You also are just brain dead.
We ran for 244 yards BECAUSE UVA FOCUSED ON THE PASS.
welcome to a conversation with grown ups about football.
Even fricking Tom Brady misses passes. No one is perfect.
But QB's that have the ability to read a defense and distribute the ball to the right guy most of the time is just really deadly to opposing defenses. They tried to take away the middle of the field, and they did, but Trask still burned them for 300, and they couldn't stop the run while also taking away the middle of the field.
Tom Brady has made a career of completing short passes. There is this fallacy that if you can't throw it 60 yards to a spot you stink. It's way more important that you can get it to the right guy, at the right time.
You also are just brain dead.
We ran for 244 yards BECAUSE UVA FOCUSED ON THE PASS.
welcome to a conversation with grown ups about football.
Even fricking Tom Brady misses passes. No one is perfect.
But QB's that have the ability to read a defense and distribute the ball to the right guy most of the time is just really deadly to opposing defenses. They tried to take away the middle of the field, and they did, but Trask still burned them for 300, and they couldn't stop the run while also taking away the middle of the field.
Tom Brady has made a career of completing short passes. There is this fallacy that if you can't throw it 60 yards to a spot you stink. It's way more important that you can get it to the right guy, at the right time.
Posted on 2/20/20 at 8:27 am to dbuchanon
You are worse at admitting being wrong than straws is. The 2 of you are perfect for each other.
PS - your first post was "I want Emory," implying that you think he is the better QB for this team as of today.
You then hummed and hawed a bit, and said yeah i'll support whomever wins the QB competition, and then proceeded to argue with us for pages about how somehow Emory is better and Trask isn't all that.
PS - your first post was "I want Emory," implying that you think he is the better QB for this team as of today.
You then hummed and hawed a bit, and said yeah i'll support whomever wins the QB competition, and then proceeded to argue with us for pages about how somehow Emory is better and Trask isn't all that.
This post was edited on 2/20/20 at 9:51 am
Posted on 2/20/20 at 11:07 am to slayerxing
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Tom Brady has made a career of completing short passes.
New Englands offensive scoring rankings since 2010. NE usually averaged just over 100 yards rushing a game. Brady puts points on the board, 2nd in history of the league right now in td passes.
2019 / 7th
18 / 4
17 / 2
16 / 3
15 / 3
14 / 4
13 / 3
12 / 1
11 / 3
10 / 1
You guys say Trask is a top guy until I compare him to REAL top guys, then you get all offended saying im comparing him to Heisman finalists.
So, he’s good. Not great. Like I said from the jump
Posted on 2/20/20 at 1:19 pm to slayerxing
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You are worse at admitting being wrong than straws is.
I just happen to be right a lot so it seems like I'm averse to being wrong, I can cite several posts (even in this thread) where I had to backtrack.
Good luck finding one from Dbuch.
Furthermore:
He argues at less-than-a-Playstation level of football. No understanding of context at all. He "Likes" a guy and just argues from there. He likes Emory and Franks, so he'll say things like: PPG IS WHAT MATTERS.
"Trask had significantly more touchdowns than Emory" O YA PLAYING TIME.
"But...Franks had way more games where he started and didn't share snaps like Trask did this year, and Trask still beat him in all passing categories..."
Dbuch just gets really weird when he's wrong.
Posted on 2/20/20 at 1:20 pm to dbuchanon
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So, he’s good. Not great. Like I said from the jump
I'd say top 15 is great.
Maybe not elite, but he isn't average.
On a scale of 132 I'd put him at 10th for Total QBR.
15th for QBR.
8th for 247's metrics.
That's great.
This post was edited on 2/20/20 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 2/20/20 at 2:51 pm to dbuchanon
Dude, you literally said "I want emory"
We called you out, you got defensive.
That's this thread in a nutshell.
We called you out, you got defensive.
That's this thread in a nutshell.
Posted on 2/20/20 at 3:49 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
But 39 bro! 39! 39 Goddamned passes!
Posted on 2/20/20 at 4:20 pm to slayerxing
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Dude, you literally said "I want emory"
Yes, and I said why. Then I even said may the BEST man win the job this spring and I’ll roll with whoever it is. Here we are 10 pages later, youre still triggered
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We called you out, you got defensive.
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Wow... so guys. Listen up. Trask didn’t set a high bar last year. He was just average. You heard it from this guy first.
No, I gave my opinion and you melted like a bitch.
I even said, this is my opinion, youre welcome to yours.
This post was edited on 2/20/20 at 5:17 pm
Posted on 2/20/20 at 6:27 pm to dbuchanon
I mean, I think the triggering part is that you're talking about the best passing Quarterback since Rex Grossman -- walking so we can play someone who has never started a game and is far less polished passing the ball.
I think I speak for the vast majority of Gator Nation in that we don't want to return to Treon Harris type of football. Granted, Emory is better than Treon, but watching our QB run into SEC Defenses without a viable backup is the pinnacle of stupidity.
He will have no backup if he even needs to miss a quarter outside of a true freshman. This is just senseless, and it's not like he's such a great Quarterback that we need to:
Walk off a top ten Quarterback.
Pray that we learn how to run block this off-season.
Pray that our QB doesn't even get shaken up for one game.
Or tired.
Or sick before the game.
Or:
Keep a top ten passer.
Know that we have an OL that can at least pass block decently.
Know that even if something happens to him, there are at least two bodies behind it.
People are triggered because you keep doubling down on a really senseless take.
I think I speak for the vast majority of Gator Nation in that we don't want to return to Treon Harris type of football. Granted, Emory is better than Treon, but watching our QB run into SEC Defenses without a viable backup is the pinnacle of stupidity.
He will have no backup if he even needs to miss a quarter outside of a true freshman. This is just senseless, and it's not like he's such a great Quarterback that we need to:
Walk off a top ten Quarterback.
Pray that we learn how to run block this off-season.
Pray that our QB doesn't even get shaken up for one game.
Or tired.
Or sick before the game.
Or:
Keep a top ten passer.
Know that we have an OL that can at least pass block decently.
Know that even if something happens to him, there are at least two bodies behind it.
People are triggered because you keep doubling down on a really senseless take.
Posted on 2/21/20 at 10:02 am to dbuchanon
Idk it sounds like you’re melting pretty hard
But I’m over it let’s let this one die.
But I’m over it let’s let this one die.
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