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re: Ben Troupe on Franks.
Posted on 9/21/18 at 1:16 pm to UFMatt
Posted on 9/21/18 at 1:16 pm to UFMatt
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WTF does this mean? Who wants to eat plates of shite whether you are young or old?
I'm saying there are multiple players -- offense and defense -- who are not living up to the Gator Standard. I was told players who were not performing would be benched, and those who were hungry would get in the game.
There's a shocking connection between Franks supporters and the inability to read their opponent's viewpoint. In my opinion, the only way you can think he's doing well (let alone average) is through being blind.
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Posted on 9/21/18 at 1:28 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
You missed one key part
Working hard.
Pretty sure we heard from multiple players he has been working his arse off and the staff.
So there you go. Mullen is rewarding his dedication.
What you aren't getting is simple. Mullen is the guy for QBs. Remember Dak his first three games at State? Yeah..similar numbers. Frank's is literally at the beginning of his career here. His first years being washed away by shite coaching.
The upside to Frank's is significantly more than Trask. He was a highly rated raw prospect. Came in. Was coached to shite for years.
So that's the point. Who a year from now has a better chance of being good? Trask a career two star back up high school QB with no great offers because Mac thought he could diamond in the rough anyone? Or a top 100 player who needed coaching.
If you look at the long game. The answer is insanely obvious. Of the three Qbs. Trask is easily the lowest ceiling. Easily. Without question.
So do we put in an average QB with a low ceiling...or a raw guy with things you can't teach like a strong arm? I'll take B all day.
Worst that happens. Fransk isn't good enough this year, and Jones gets the start next year after learning more.
The worst option. Trask. Because this team is not doing shite this year. They aren't. We are still soft, still learning two new systems, and need to learn basics somehow.
Let the plan work. Mullen is proven. He isn't Mac. Dude knows what he is doing with QBs. There is zero doubt there. Stop thinking short term and look long term.
Working hard.
Pretty sure we heard from multiple players he has been working his arse off and the staff.
So there you go. Mullen is rewarding his dedication.
What you aren't getting is simple. Mullen is the guy for QBs. Remember Dak his first three games at State? Yeah..similar numbers. Frank's is literally at the beginning of his career here. His first years being washed away by shite coaching.
The upside to Frank's is significantly more than Trask. He was a highly rated raw prospect. Came in. Was coached to shite for years.
So that's the point. Who a year from now has a better chance of being good? Trask a career two star back up high school QB with no great offers because Mac thought he could diamond in the rough anyone? Or a top 100 player who needed coaching.
If you look at the long game. The answer is insanely obvious. Of the three Qbs. Trask is easily the lowest ceiling. Easily. Without question.
So do we put in an average QB with a low ceiling...or a raw guy with things you can't teach like a strong arm? I'll take B all day.
Worst that happens. Fransk isn't good enough this year, and Jones gets the start next year after learning more.
The worst option. Trask. Because this team is not doing shite this year. They aren't. We are still soft, still learning two new systems, and need to learn basics somehow.
Let the plan work. Mullen is proven. He isn't Mac. Dude knows what he is doing with QBs. There is zero doubt there. Stop thinking short term and look long term.
This post was edited on 9/21/18 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 9/21/18 at 1:33 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Damn Straws you need to chill and realize the players that are playing are the best we have right now, at several positions. This is what we hired Mullen to fix but he has to play with the cards that he was dealt this year. I was just questioning the eating shite statement and what it meant.
At some point you need to just back away from the keyboard. It's just a football team that you have no control over. Let the coaches do their jobs and if they don't, we will get other ones that will.
At some point you need to just back away from the keyboard. It's just a football team that you have no control over. Let the coaches do their jobs and if they don't, we will get other ones that will.
This post was edited on 9/21/18 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 9/21/18 at 1:36 pm to UFMatt
Straws is a delusional man bro.
He was delusion with Mac for years
Now he is delusional with Trask. Anyone who thinks we are a ten win team with Trask....just no. This team is average all around outside of a few players. A two star back up isn't fixing that.
He was delusion with Mac for years
Now he is delusional with Trask. Anyone who thinks we are a ten win team with Trask....just no. This team is average all around outside of a few players. A two star back up isn't fixing that.
Posted on 9/21/18 at 1:41 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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here's a shocking connection between Franks supporters and the inability to read their opponent's viewpoint.
Secondly, I am not a Franks supporter, I am a Gator fan and Mullen supporter, because he is our coach. If he says Franks is the best we have and should be starting, then I support that decision.
Posted on 9/21/18 at 2:09 pm to Gatorbait2008
You guys mentioning Dak and Franks in the same sentence are fricking retarded and not worth talking about any further.
I also don't think you should be talking about coaches after you know, Chip Kelly.
You guys want to make excuses for this staff, knock yourselves out. This has not been the product we were promised all off-season.
I also don't think you should be talking about coaches after you know, Chip Kelly.
You guys want to make excuses for this staff, knock yourselves out. This has not been the product we were promised all off-season.
Posted on 9/21/18 at 2:14 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
First three games in Mullens system. Dak looked this way too hombre. Mullen taught him to be good. Now Fransk isn't Dak, but just go see how he progressed under Mullen. He grew into something. Go watch his first three games. You'll be shocked he is the same human.
Now go watch Trask high school games.
Oh wait...nvm.
The real issue is you are delusional. You expecting absurdly great things a first year in a new system after the team won four gamess last year. Not realistic.
The simple point is. You are never realistic. You missed the issues with Mac. Now you are delusionally pushing a high school back up as a savior and putting all our issues on one guy.
It takes more than three games to fix a four win team. Want to see bad coaching? Watch FSU. Compare a similar team with more talent but bad coaching. Our team is progressing. We look better in quite a few areas. This is still..a four win team. In a new system. On both sides of the ball. Also missing it's two best defenders vs Kentucky vs the run which hurt a bit.
Stop setting stupidly high expectations than blaming one guy when they aren't as good as your irrationally convinced yourself they should be. Jesus. A back up two star isn't saving this team. Time is the only thing that helps this time.
Nice try with Kelly. Kelly I broke a story on, then ended up being wrong. Not the same as being the moron continuing to believe in Mac for three years despite absurdly obvious evidence he was wrong. Nor does it detract from the fact that you had stupidly high expectations this year. You also believe a two star back up no one else wanted who has done nothing...is a savior and we'd be awesome with him.
You have a distorted reality. Simple as that.
Now go watch Trask high school games.
Oh wait...nvm.
The real issue is you are delusional. You expecting absurdly great things a first year in a new system after the team won four gamess last year. Not realistic.
The simple point is. You are never realistic. You missed the issues with Mac. Now you are delusionally pushing a high school back up as a savior and putting all our issues on one guy.
It takes more than three games to fix a four win team. Want to see bad coaching? Watch FSU. Compare a similar team with more talent but bad coaching. Our team is progressing. We look better in quite a few areas. This is still..a four win team. In a new system. On both sides of the ball. Also missing it's two best defenders vs Kentucky vs the run which hurt a bit.
Stop setting stupidly high expectations than blaming one guy when they aren't as good as your irrationally convinced yourself they should be. Jesus. A back up two star isn't saving this team. Time is the only thing that helps this time.
Nice try with Kelly. Kelly I broke a story on, then ended up being wrong. Not the same as being the moron continuing to believe in Mac for three years despite absurdly obvious evidence he was wrong. Nor does it detract from the fact that you had stupidly high expectations this year. You also believe a two star back up no one else wanted who has done nothing...is a savior and we'd be awesome with him.
You have a distorted reality. Simple as that.
This post was edited on 9/21/18 at 2:24 pm
Posted on 9/21/18 at 2:21 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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You guys mentioning Dak and Franks in the same sentence are fricking retarded and not worth talking about any further.
I also don't think you should be talking about coaches after you know, Chip Kelly.
You guys want to make excuses for this staff, knock yourselves out. This has not been the product we were promised all off-season.
Who was making the promises that you are talking about?
We were promised improved QB play. That has happened. Franks has progressed from a retard the whole game to a retard at the beginning of the game.
I see their Dak and Franks comparison then add Manzel
Posted on 9/21/18 at 2:24 pm to BloodSweat&Beers
Bam.
Game. Set. Match.
Now..sit down and let Mullen do his damn job.
Game. Set. Match.
Now..sit down and let Mullen do his damn job.
Posted on 9/21/18 at 2:30 pm to Gatorbait2008
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Bam.
Game. Set. Match.
Now..sit down and let Mullen do his damn job.
I am more worried about safeties, OL, DT, and LB position play. Defense has not been up to a solid UF standard. I know Grantham did a good job last year at State but I have been disappointed especially upfront and tackling.
Posted on 9/21/18 at 2:33 pm to BloodSweat&Beers
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but I have been disappointed especially upfront and tackling.
Depth and talent are issues up front and you can't make someone make a tackle, you can put them in position to make the tackle, but they have to want to make the hit.
Posted on 9/21/18 at 2:37 pm to UFMatt
Best part is Straws rode Macs dick til the end. Then when people say trust Mullen ..you know...one of the best QB coaches in football. He says think for yourself.
The hilarity in this is absurd.
He trust a shitty coach who showed he sucked over and over. Now a coach many people think is a top lvl coach and proved he can coach QBs like a boss...and he thinks he knows better.
The hypocrisy is hilarious. It's like he is trying to always be wrong.
The hilarity in this is absurd.
He trust a shitty coach who showed he sucked over and over. Now a coach many people think is a top lvl coach and proved he can coach QBs like a boss...and he thinks he knows better.
The hypocrisy is hilarious. It's like he is trying to always be wrong.
Posted on 9/21/18 at 2:39 pm to BloodSweat&Beers
That's going to take time. Team has been soft for awhile. Need to learn toughness and discipline. It will come. Have to be patient. Name of the game with a new staff.
Posted on 9/21/18 at 2:40 pm to UFMatt
He’s thrown 9 touchdowns and has 2 interceptions in 3 games this season.
He had 9 touchdowns and 8 interceptions in the season last year.
If you can’t admit he’s improved, I don’t know what to say. He’s not perfect (or great). He probably won’t win a championship at UF. BUT, he has certainly improved this year. If this was our first time seeing Franks, everybody would be excited about his chances to improve in the next couple of years.
Let’s be rational. Franks is the best option on the roster right now. He was decent against Colorado State. Yes, late on a couple of throws, but overall he was 8 for his last 9 passing with two touchdowns, and 2 of his first 6 passes were drops. He’s not perfect, but what we’ve seen from this thus far is better than anything we’ve seen at quarterback through 3 games since Grier/Tebow.
He had 9 touchdowns and 8 interceptions in the season last year.
If you can’t admit he’s improved, I don’t know what to say. He’s not perfect (or great). He probably won’t win a championship at UF. BUT, he has certainly improved this year. If this was our first time seeing Franks, everybody would be excited about his chances to improve in the next couple of years.
Let’s be rational. Franks is the best option on the roster right now. He was decent against Colorado State. Yes, late on a couple of throws, but overall he was 8 for his last 9 passing with two touchdowns, and 2 of his first 6 passes were drops. He’s not perfect, but what we’ve seen from this thus far is better than anything we’ve seen at quarterback through 3 games since Grier/Tebow.
Posted on 9/21/18 at 2:41 pm to UFMatt
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Depth and talent are issues up front and you can't make someone make a tackle, you can put them in position to make the tackle, but they have to want to make the hit.
We rotate up front pretty well but trot out the same shitty three safeties. I would like to see Burney and\or Huggins get some PT but I am not watching practice like the coaches. They could be complete shitheads for all I know. (Doubt that with Burney reminds me of Neal)
Posted on 9/21/18 at 2:55 pm to BloodSweat&Beers
They could not know the coverages well enough back there. Our secondary is soft as nails tackling wise for sure. L ers take bad angles as well. Defensive line isn't helping anything either. Got beat down by UKs line.
Posted on 9/21/18 at 2:57 pm to atlgator
you are preaching to the choir, brother! I believe Franks is better, and is the best option we have, why?
Because Coach Mullen says so.
Because Coach Mullen says so.
Posted on 9/21/18 at 3:00 pm to UFMatt
He has improved making reads. He made non last year. Now he has progressed reads
Now he needs to be quicker with his decisions. He's improved in one area, hopefully he gets more confident which will help him trust himself with decisions. I think quick decisions are a big confidence thing. You second guess every throw if you don't believe in yourself or fear consequences. Which is why it's so important Mullen lets him grow without putting Trask in.
In the end. He has more upside. Let him grow and see what happens.
Now he needs to be quicker with his decisions. He's improved in one area, hopefully he gets more confident which will help him trust himself with decisions. I think quick decisions are a big confidence thing. You second guess every throw if you don't believe in yourself or fear consequences. Which is why it's so important Mullen lets him grow without putting Trask in.
In the end. He has more upside. Let him grow and see what happens.
Posted on 9/21/18 at 3:06 pm to Gatorbait2008
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Bam.
Game. Set. Match.
Now..sit down and let Mullen do his damn job.
That you guys are talking about Franks in the same breath as Manziel and Prescott is such a testament to how football retarded you guys are. Franks couldn't hold their water bottles.
Franks vs. FBS this (Junior/RS Sophomore) year:
25/53 (47%)
4 TDs/ 2 INTS, 3 FUM (should be very well near 5 INTS if Kentucky's players catch)
Dak 2014 vs FBS (Junior Year/RS Sophomore))
30/51 (59%)
8 TDs/ 2 INTS
Johnny 2013 (Junior Year/RS Sophomore)
34/45 (76%)
8 TDS/ 2 INTS
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Oh, and I'll go on record as saying that Franks will not have nearly as good of a collegiate career as either of them.
I will also go on record as saying that when we start adding the 3rd FBS teams to the statistics that Franks will likely fall further and further behind in that game, and especially in the rest of the year.
He's better, but he was literal dogshit so it's hard to be worse.
Although his % is worse vs. FBS teams this year than it was last year, and he's only played Kentucky and Colorado State.
Yikes.
Posted on 9/21/18 at 3:30 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
The fact that you think a back up QB in high school should start at UF despite Mullen not thinking so means you are beyond retarded.
The fact that you believed in Mac yet not Mullen shows you are just trying to be wrong. It's like you want to look dumb. You were a Mac loyalist and deluded reality. Now you do the same with Trask. You seem to never be right here..so I'd stop. I may have missed on Kelly. But at least I have a decent track record on calling out coaching decisions which you clearly don't.
The fact that you believed in Mac yet not Mullen shows you are just trying to be wrong. It's like you want to look dumb. You were a Mac loyalist and deluded reality. Now you do the same with Trask. You seem to never be right here..so I'd stop. I may have missed on Kelly. But at least I have a decent track record on calling out coaching decisions which you clearly don't.
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