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Are you worried about Mullen's lack of success vs top teams?
Posted on 11/26/17 at 5:12 pm
Posted on 11/26/17 at 5:12 pm
With all the craziness on tRant & me being caught up on A&M's coaching search, I haven't gotten a good pulse on how Gata Nation feels on the hire. My main question is the title. Mullen has only 2 wins over P5 teams with 9 wins (0 vs P5 teams with 10+). Does that worry yall? Are yall confident the talent boost in FL will take care of that?
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Posted on 11/26/17 at 5:14 pm to Farmer1906
Not confident about this hire but it is what it is. Hoping Taggart doesn’t somehow end up at FSU.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 5:17 pm to Farmer1906
Not worried
Posted on 11/26/17 at 5:20 pm to Jorts R Us
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Not confident about this hire but it is what it is. Hoping Taggart doesn’t somehow end up at FSU.
would love taggart and his no coaching arse at fsu. he out recruited the competition at a g5 school and couldn't win without having better players than everyone. oregon still has good talent for the pac12 and he got his shite pushed in by every team that was equal or better in talent this year. gonna be the same thing next year too.
that will always be willie taggart. tv evangelist and nothing more.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 5:35 pm to Farmer1906
I checked the stats...
He has had good offenses and developed QBs, at historically, a school that is just a tiny bit better than Kentucky and Vanderbilt. MSU only has 540 wins all time, and more losses than anyone in the SEC not named Kentucky or Vanderbilt... 528.
South Carolina, historically, based on wins and losses, is a better program than MSU. Consider that for a minute.
And then consider that he coached in the SEC west at the height of that divisions power. LES Miles won the SEC in 2011. Auburn won the SEC in 2010 and 2013, and a national title in 2010. Alabama has won the SEC title in 2009, 2012, 2014, 2015, and 2016, and played in won national titles in 2009, 2012, and 2015. Bobby Petrino had Arkansas playing at a high level from 2008-2011.
Even with all of that against him, and with Mullen taking over MSU after they had only won 29 games in 8 years, and only had 1 team win more than 4 games (8 wins in 2007), his ability to have them win 6-7 games a year is pretty amazing.
So in the 8 years before him - 29 wins
in the 9 years with him as coach - 69 wins
That is one of (if not the best) 9 year stretch in MSU history. I think, given that, and given his experience in the SEC, and given his ability to develop QBs, I think this is about as good as Florida could expect.
It's not super exciting, but I think it's OK.
He has had good offenses and developed QBs, at historically, a school that is just a tiny bit better than Kentucky and Vanderbilt. MSU only has 540 wins all time, and more losses than anyone in the SEC not named Kentucky or Vanderbilt... 528.
South Carolina, historically, based on wins and losses, is a better program than MSU. Consider that for a minute.
And then consider that he coached in the SEC west at the height of that divisions power. LES Miles won the SEC in 2011. Auburn won the SEC in 2010 and 2013, and a national title in 2010. Alabama has won the SEC title in 2009, 2012, 2014, 2015, and 2016, and played in won national titles in 2009, 2012, and 2015. Bobby Petrino had Arkansas playing at a high level from 2008-2011.
Even with all of that against him, and with Mullen taking over MSU after they had only won 29 games in 8 years, and only had 1 team win more than 4 games (8 wins in 2007), his ability to have them win 6-7 games a year is pretty amazing.
So in the 8 years before him - 29 wins
in the 9 years with him as coach - 69 wins
That is one of (if not the best) 9 year stretch in MSU history. I think, given that, and given his experience in the SEC, and given his ability to develop QBs, I think this is about as good as Florida could expect.
It's not super exciting, but I think it's OK.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 5:45 pm to Farmer1906
It's a good hire. He took over the second worst program in the SEC and made it nationally relevant. His work was every bit as good as Spurrier's and USC. Remember he faced Bama dynasty and LSU in their prime most years, and a rejuvenated Aggies program.
He won 8-9 games a year at the second worst program. Pretty sure he will do better at Florida. Easier division. Far more talent.
Just look at Collins. Went from pretty good defense to elite, and he had the stats prove he did far better at UF. Why? More talent.
We know for sure Mullen's offense will work at UF. We know it is credible in the SEC.
This hire to me was a good one.
Sadly we lost Kelly after the deal was set. UCLA firing Mora right when the news broke of our meeting seems to be the breaking point. We blew the big dog. Still got a proven fish.
He won 8-9 games a year at the second worst program. Pretty sure he will do better at Florida. Easier division. Far more talent.
Just look at Collins. Went from pretty good defense to elite, and he had the stats prove he did far better at UF. Why? More talent.
We know for sure Mullen's offense will work at UF. We know it is credible in the SEC.
This hire to me was a good one.
Sadly we lost Kelly after the deal was set. UCLA firing Mora right when the news broke of our meeting seems to be the breaking point. We blew the big dog. Still got a proven fish.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 6:11 pm to Gatorbait2008
Thanks for responses. I wish y’all luck over the next 6 years.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 6:12 pm to Farmer1906
Posted on 11/26/17 at 6:54 pm to Farmer1906
It’s a solid hire with out a lot of risk but I am not sure his up side is high enough. I think he will needs great recruiters and DC to have any chance of winning a national championship. Good thing is that we know for a fact it was his offense that won big here with Meyer. Because when he left and Addazio took over the offense took a hit.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 7:07 pm to tjv305
Losing record in SEC play and only one winning season in the SEC west in 9 seasons.
Hmmmmmmmm.... sort of underwhelming. But it was Miss St. I will give him the benefit of the doubt.
Hmmmmmmmm.... sort of underwhelming. But it was Miss St. I will give him the benefit of the doubt.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 7:55 pm to gatorbait_007
See my post.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 6:40 am to Gatorbait2008
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Gatorbait2008
[quote]His work was every bit as good as Spurrier's and USC. [quote]
ahhhh....sorry, maybe you didn't know that Spurrier had three straight 11 win seasons at USC? USC and Miss State would be close comparisons. Spurrier did much better.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 9:06 am to gatorbait_007
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Hmmmmmmmm.... sort of underwhelming. But it was Miss St. I will give him the benefit of the doubt.
I mean he was likely a season away from being all time winningest coach at MSU despite ~40 less games than Sherrill. He also has the highest win% of a coach since WW2
Considering he coached during the best stretch of SECW football ever, it is pretty impressive
Posted on 11/27/17 at 9:08 am to reel_gator8
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Spurrier had three straight 11 win seasons at USC?
I love Spurrier, what he did as USCe was incredible.
That said, it is hard to compare playing in the East from ~07-14 to playing in the West. Spurrier won during the worst UF/TN/UGA combined period in history
Posted on 11/27/17 at 9:21 am to reel_gator8
i can't think of any coach who would take msstate to a west div championship during mullen's time there. not with bama, lsu and auburn. also having less talent than ole miss and a&m. 6th best team talent wise during mullen's tenure. ended up being the 4th best team over a 9 year stretch.
i love SOS, but he wouldn't have sniffed a west championship at state.
i love SOS, but he wouldn't have sniffed a west championship at state.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 9:29 am to SailorGator
Just remember that USC also played two west teams every year during that 3 year stretch of 11 win seasons and they were a powerhouse in the east. No one can predict what Spurrier would have done at State...although it wouldn't have been a fit for sure. Did USC have better facilities than State? Yes, but not drastically. USC also had to play Clemson during those triple shot 11 win seasons.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 11:01 am to SailorGator
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i can't think of any coach who would take msstate to a west div championship during mullen's time there. not with bama, lsu and auburn.
There is absolutely no way Mississippi State will finish first in the West in 20 years, 30 years, maybe even 50 years.
They have three teams that won championships in the last decade.
Three.
Teams.
This is with lesser talent, resources and at what is essentially the worst team in the West, which is no where near the worst team right now.
It's a viable excuse not to be amazing at MSU when it's literally the hardest division in the country.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 12:02 pm to gatorbait_007
Think Franklin at Vandy.
Only so much can be done
Only so much can be done
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