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re: "Xavier Thomas grew up a South Carolina fan. He’s off to a strong start at Clemson"
Posted on 9/24/18 at 10:51 pm to I Bleed Garnet
Posted on 9/24/18 at 10:51 pm to I Bleed Garnet
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So why don’t we do that?
What does Bama or Auburn or LSU do?
Bend the rules a little
JP and Goldman didn’t get to the top listening to the rules
Because ... Ole Miss.
Think about it. Listen. All Ole Miss did was outbid Clemson for four of those Georgia HS kids. Look what happened to Ole Miss. They're screwed for five years.
Well .... not sure LSU and Bama have to cheat. Auburn we know cheats and has for years, but they're good at it.
Maybe we do bend the rules, a little, who knows.
Neither did Lehman Brothers ... and look what happened to them. Too big to fail and all. My broker moved down the street to Merrill Lynch and he's finally happy again but damn, he paid the five year price. And he was a big dog with Lehman, he had to start lower with Merrill Lynch / Bank of America. Look at how far back Ole Miss has been knocked.
We can't afford that to happen.
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Posted on 9/24/18 at 11:06 pm to scrooster
There's an "easy" way to bust the taters, but it would require an athlete not giving a damn about the on field retributions or having any ties (friends or family) to that cow college.
Posted on 9/24/18 at 11:15 pm to scrooster
We bend the rules alright how else do you think Derrick Watson was driving those escalades. that's just one that I do know about.
Posted on 9/24/18 at 11:17 pm to cocky365
I'm sure it still goes on today, maybe not on their level. If we're not on their level we need to get on it.
Posted on 9/24/18 at 11:57 pm to cocky365
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We bend the rules alright how else do you think Derrick Watson was driving those escalades. that's just one that I do know about.
You're wrong about that, especially in that case. I know that for an absolute fact.
Secondly, you wouldn't be posting innuendo or rumor or speculation about such things on an open Gamecock forum if you were a dedicated Gamecock fan.
But you are definitely wrong about what you just posted. Completely and totally wrong. If you said we got him out of town the night before signing day to keep him away from Tennessee ... well, okay then. If you said he got a little help to pay his Grandmother's power bill and buy her some groceries ... alright, whatever. But you are waaaaaaay wrong about that one (1) six year old Escalade he drove occasionally and especially about who it belonged-to and you really shouldn't be spreading rumors about that.
BTW, that Escalade had a name ... we called it Elvis. Everyone did.
Posted on 9/25/18 at 4:52 am to scrooster
Ole Miss didn’t have a coach worth a damn though
All that talent and couldn’t get over the hump.
Hugh Freeze? With that talent and staff we have (and in the east) that ends
Also as said, that was the whole coaching staff that knew. From reading what toneski said there’s a difference between “bagmen” and the Freeze approach which was very SMU like
ETA: i actually worked with a few older big dogs at Lehman who moved to Barclays when they took over em
I guess it depends who they were because they “seem” unphased. And because they were MDs at the firm they get checks once a year from them for a significant amount due to their service back in those days. (Probably shouldn’t have told me all that at a happy hour but whatever)
All that talent and couldn’t get over the hump.
Hugh Freeze? With that talent and staff we have (and in the east) that ends
Also as said, that was the whole coaching staff that knew. From reading what toneski said there’s a difference between “bagmen” and the Freeze approach which was very SMU like
ETA: i actually worked with a few older big dogs at Lehman who moved to Barclays when they took over em
I guess it depends who they were because they “seem” unphased. And because they were MDs at the firm they get checks once a year from them for a significant amount due to their service back in those days. (Probably shouldn’t have told me all that at a happy hour but whatever)
This post was edited on 9/25/18 at 4:56 am
Posted on 9/25/18 at 7:34 am to scrooster
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Because ... Ole Miss.
Think about it. Listen. All Ole Miss did was outbid Clemson for four of those Georgia HS kids. Look what happened to Ole Miss. They're screwed for five years.
Rooster - You should watch the doc I mentioned "Paid in Mississippi". Even with all the mess that Ole Miss got themselves into, it's very likely that Hugh Freeze would still be the coach there if not for the school pissing off Houston Nutt.
It's only because Houston Nutt was being blamed by Ole Miss for all the football infractions (saying it happened under Nutt and not Freeze) that caused Nutt to get an attorney to do some work against Ole Miss. There was a FOI request for Freeze's cell phone records and an investigative journalist (who worked for rival Miss. State fan website) called every number on the Freeze's cell phone call log and found some that were to prostitutes.
That's what got Freeze fired....not the pay for play. It's kind of amazing really, but that's how good the cheating is today, the head coach has plausible deniability.
Posted on 9/25/18 at 8:11 am to scrooster
Rooster, what do you know about the XT situation and the car wash? I have heard a story from a pretty prominent Florence attorney (who you probably know) about what went down with that. The story was told in great detail, so I assumed most of it was true.
Posted on 9/25/18 at 10:45 am to UpstateCock2007
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Rooster, what do you know about the XT situation and the car wash? I have heard a story from a pretty prominent Florence attorney (who you probably know) about what went down with that. The story was told in great detail, so I assumed most of it was true.
I know nothing, but found some fishy things looking at publicly available websites a while back. Every thing was coincidental, but fishy never-the-less. Things like projected company earnings, ownership, things like that. I don't even remember where I found them anymore.
Posted on 9/25/18 at 10:53 am to Lonnie Utah
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I know nothing, but found some fishy things looking at publicly available websites a while back. Every thing was coincidental, but fishy never-the-less. Things like projected company earnings, ownership, things like that. I don't even remember where I found them anymore.
Nice
Posted on 9/25/18 at 11:49 am to I Bleed Garnet
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Nice
IIRC, I think the company revenues were projected to be around $90k-100k? I think they had 4 or 5 employees. Hardly enough to throw down on a new F150 much less afford tuition at IMG...
This post was edited on 9/25/18 at 11:51 am
Posted on 9/25/18 at 11:52 am to Lonnie Utah
Send it to the ncaa!
Can’t hurt
Can’t hurt
Posted on 9/25/18 at 12:19 pm to UpstateCock2007
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Rooster, what do you know about the XT situation and the car wash? I have heard a story from a pretty prominent Florence attorney (who you probably know) about what went down with that. The story was told in great detail, so I assumed most of it was true.
I'm pretty sure I know the Florence atty you're referring-to ... just saw him at a family member's memorial service last week. He's a really good guy ... and yeah, we all know the story about the car wash. It's beyond fishy, it was pure cheating plain and simple.
But, once again, it is a case of tracing the money trail and they do a good job in that department. They've got it down to a science.
I can think of a similar case some ten or fifteen years ago involving one of the Geathers boys and his dad and Uncle (Jumpy) and a floor plan suddenly made available to them, that allowed them to keep their car lot open, the night before signing day that ended-up sending him to UGA.
That was one of the more blantant, egregious examples in recent history and I am pretty sure it was looked into and investigated right down to the banker at the beach who was a UGA grad and booster ... but nothing stuck.
It's all just another example after example of what goes on in the world of recruiting that most fans assume happens ... but few know the details.
Another great example that blew up in Clemson's face, that I got personally involved with, was the Rocky McIntosh, Littlejohn recruitment ... Clemson should have been hammered far harder than they were but Lamar Green was good at covering his tracks and Tommy Bowden had also learned from the master ... his Dad.
Posted on 9/25/18 at 12:32 pm to Toneski
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Rooster - You should watch the doc I mentioned "Paid in Mississippi". Even with all the mess that Ole Miss got themselves into, it's very likely that Hugh Freeze would still be the coach there if not for the school pissing off Houston Nutt.
It's only because Houston Nutt was being blamed by Ole Miss for all the football infractions (saying it happened under Nutt and not Freeze) that caused Nutt to get an attorney to do some work against Ole Miss. There was a FOI request for Freeze's cell phone records and an investigative journalist (who worked for rival Miss. State fan website) called every number on the Freeze's cell phone call log and found some that were to prostitutes.
That's what got Freeze fired....not the pay for play. It's kind of amazing really, but that's how good the cheating is today, the head coach has plausible deniability.
I'm going to find that and watch it when I get home from Vegas next week.
You're right about Nutt ... he was the loose cannon they should have just left-alone. No one can blame the guy for defending his reputation.
Also, I think what got Freeze in the most trouble, especially with fans (and I have family are are Ole Miss alumni and boosters and huge fans) was Freeze's hypocrisy when it came to the hooers, the escort service and the fact that it wasn't just traced back to some of the recruits but also to him personally.
The fans could have lived with the pay for play and even Nutt's backlash ... but the rampant hooering put them over the edge. Freeze had been preaching his God fearing Puritan schtick for years, almost to Jimmy Swygert levels leading fans in prayer before booster events and giving away free bibles, etc. Speaking at churches and so on. And then he gets busted not only hooering himself but knowing about hooers being bought for recruits during their visits.
But, then again, as testified to by Courtney, Tennessee for one had been doing that for some time.
There are so many verifiable stories out there ... it boggles the mind.
Oh, and don't get me started on the Ohio State, Oklahoma, Texas and SoCal stories that I've heard first hand accounts about or read about in autobiographies.
One of the best stories about cheating in NCAA football is about the old SWC. There have been shows done about it, books written about it and the stories told about it trumps all of those ... which proves one thing for sure. The NCAA doles-out punishment selectively and it's all about the money.
Posted on 9/25/18 at 2:00 pm to scrooster
On a unrelated side note, wouldn't it be sweet if Kelly Bryant used the Grad transfer rule to move on from Clemson then spilled the beans on their recruiting practices...
Posted on 9/25/18 at 2:13 pm to scrooster
Regarding the SWC
There’s a 30 for 30 called the Pony Excess, I’m sure you’ve seen it.
But it’s one of my favorites
It’s about the SMU teams in the 80s but does touch on the recruiting practices of the conference and how A&M got Dickerson a trans am, and still didnt land him
ETA: and that was even worse because the higher ups in the school were paying these kids
There’s a 30 for 30 called the Pony Excess, I’m sure you’ve seen it.
But it’s one of my favorites
It’s about the SMU teams in the 80s but does touch on the recruiting practices of the conference and how A&M got Dickerson a trans am, and still didnt land him
ETA: and that was even worse because the higher ups in the school were paying these kids
This post was edited on 9/25/18 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 9/25/18 at 9:24 pm to I Bleed Garnet
I don't care who shot Kennedy, who is so vain, or what really went down in Roswell. I do however want to know what the hell SMU gave Eric Dickerson to get him before I die.
Posted on 9/25/18 at 9:26 pm to TheeRealCarolina
One thing I do know for certain about SMU is that Craig James killed 5 hookers.
Posted on 9/26/18 at 12:35 am to I Bleed Garnet
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One thing I do know for certain about SMU is that Craig James killed (7) seven hookers.
fify
Posted on 9/26/18 at 5:42 am to Lonnie Utah
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On a unrelated side note, wouldn't it be sweet if Kelly Bryant used the Grad transfer rule to move on from Clemson then spilled the beans on their recruiting practices...
The only way to do this and survive is get an attorney like Belk did. I would love to know the story behind Josh's saga.
It makes me puke to hear some, our own fans included, buying into the "Dabo did a good thing" crap. There is no way Clemson would allow a former 5* recruit to go to the hated rival unless there were consequences they didn't want to deal with.
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