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SOSFAN
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re: What in the world is going on with the President search? What is McMaster doing?
First game we catch him at we should just stomp his arse .


Carolina_Girl
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re: What in the world is going on with the President search? What is McMaster doing?
Just file it under the official Gamecock Welcome Tradition. The more you bleed and cry for mercy, the more willing we are to marginally accept you. But forgiveness we will never give.


Carolina_Girl
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re: What in the world is going on with the President search? What is McMaster doing?
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Hiring a guy whose son openly trashes our university to lead our university is so South Carolina it hurts.


This is a sad fact. Even the tiger contingency has been quiet on the statements that have surfaced when there are hundreds of ready made jokes for them. They feel sorry for us. That isn't okay.


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I Bleed Garnet
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re: What in the world is going on with the President search? What is McMaster doing?
Eh
Does it really matter at this point?
He’s kinda old already no and said he went to UF?

If my dad got the job at Alabama I’d still be a USC fan


CarolinaGamecock99
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re: What in the world is going on with the President search? What is McMaster doing?
I’m gonna throw hands with this kid if I see him


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SCLibertarian
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re: What in the world is going on with the President search? What is McMaster doing?
There's difference in being a fan of another school and openly trashing the school your Dad is supposed to lead. Imagine Bama hiring a President whose son called them Gumps or Clemson hiring a President whose son called them Taters. But they're where they are and we're South Carolina.


armytide373
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re: What in the world is going on with the President search? What is McMaster doing?
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The job is supposed to require a doctorate degree,

This is the crux of the issue among USC faculty and admin that oppose the hire. I worked in higher ed admin previously at the University of Mississippi and, coincidentally, made a move here to Columbia this summer. I assure you. Bob Caslen's ability to function with distinction as the USC President should not be in doubt. If he was Dr. Caslen, it would be a no brainer. It is ego and nothing more.

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He has zero record as a fund-raiser. He has zero record in the field of research. He does however, have a strong record in military tactical strategies.

This is shortsighted and incorrect to a large degree. His previous experiences in the Army's generating force outweigh his tactical experiences in its operational force, IMO.

As a former commandant of cadets and eventually the Superintendent at West Point, he is more than prepared for the position. He is an extraordinary leader and good man. Bob Caslen will quickly earn the respect of Admin and faculty alike. He is an gifted organizational leader and will build a stronger team.

I worked for him when he was the Commanding General of the Combined Arms Center (CAC) at Ft. Leavenworth.

With more than 32k servicemembers and civilian employees stationed around the US and throughout the world, CAC is one of the largest organizations in the Army. It manages a huge portfolio with lead efforts in force modernization in a dozen+ proponent areas. So, yes, I do believe he has some experience in the field of research and development, as well as advocating for funding for these efforts with both the elected officials and Army purse string holders. While different than shaking the trees for alumni donations, he is charismatic and a visionary. Raising funds and attracting research grants is not going to be the issue.

In addition, CAC manages the Army leader development, Army profession, and Army education centers. Bob Caslen helped set the course for the creation of the Army Univeristy system, headquarted under the control of CAC, that supervises curriculum, funding, and management of 16 Army branch schools, and seven non-branch schools along with 37 other US Army schools, which train and educate more than 500,000 students annually, including nearly 10,000 students from 146 separate nations and more than 10,000 sister service students. This doesn't include the supervision of dozens of Army educational programs, fellowships and partnerships with top tier Universities throughout the nation.

I understand some of the backlash due to the appearance of undue influence in the hire. But, as stated in another post, Caslen should not be considered a political appointee for the right. His personal views would surprise many and they will likely begin to show as he is no longer bound to remaining apolitical in his expressed opinions like current servicemen and women.

In any case, it is a homerun hire for many reasons. If the opposition will give him a chance, I think they will be well pleased.

ETA: he does need to pull his son's social media access; immature punk.

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I Bleed Garnet
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There's difference in being a fan of another school and openly trashing the school your Dad is supposed to lead. Imagine Bama hiring a President whose son called them Gumps or Clemson hiring a President whose son called them Taters. But they're where they are and we're South Carolina.



If my dad became the president of Clemson

I’d still trash them!


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ConwayGamecock
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re: What in the world is going on with the President search? What is McMaster doing?
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He has zero record as a fund-raiser. He has zero record in the field of research. He does however, have a strong record in military tactical strategies.


This is shortsighted and incorrect to a large degree. His previous experiences in the Army's generating force outweigh his tactical experiences in its operational force, IMO.

As a former commandant of cadets and eventually the Superintendent at West Point, he is more than prepared for the position. He is an extraordinary leader and good man. Bob Caslen will quickly earn the respect of Admin and faculty alike. He is an gifted organizational leader and will build a stronger team.

I worked for him when he was the Commanding General of the Combined Arms Center (CAC) at Ft. Leavenworth.

With more than 32k servicemembers and civilian employees stationed around the US and throughout the world, CAC is one of the largest organizations in the Army. It manages a huge portfolio with lead efforts in force modernization in a dozen+ proponent areas. So, yes, I do believe he has some experience in the field of research and development, as well as advocating for funding for these efforts with both the elected officials and Army purse string holders. While different than shaking the trees for alumni donations, he is charismatic and a visionary. Raising funds and attracting research grants is not going to be the issue.

In addition, CAC manages the Army leader development, Army profession, and Army education centers. Bob Caslen helped set the course for the creation of the Army Univeristy system, headquarted under the control of CAC, that supervises curriculum, funding, and management of 16 Army branch schools, and seven non-branch schools along with 37 other US Army schools, which train and educate more than 500,000 students annually, including nearly 10,000 students from 146 separate nations and more than 10,000 sister service students. This doesn't include the supervision of dozens of Army educational programs, fellowships and partnerships with top tier Universities throughout the nation.

I understand some of the backlash due to the appearance of undue influence in the hire. But, as stated in another post, Caslen should not be considered a political appointee for the right. His personal views would surprise many and they will likely begin to show as he is no longer bound to remaining apolitical in his expressed opinions like current servicemen and women.

In any case, it is a homerun hire for many reasons. If the opposition will give him a chance, I think they will be well pleased.


I do not know anything about Caslen, and do not have any personal issues with him, other than he didn't bring the best resume to the table to replace Pastides. He may in the end turn out to be the best USC President we've ever had at the University, for all I know, and I certainly hope he will be.

My issue is the process that played out in hiring Caslen for the position. It was very obvious from how it all played out, that this was a totally political push by the conservative Republican base in SC to hire a very conservative, Republican individual who would present very conservative, Republican positions as President.

And not that there's necessarily anything wrong with that, but whether or not that places USC in the forefront as the biggest beneficiary of that by happenstance, it definitely placed the political agenda of the dominant political party in this state as the biggest beneficiary, by intent. And that in turn, put USC's benefit behind...something else. That's not what the BOT is put in place to do.

It was apparent through this process, that Caslen was the only candidate truly picked for the job, that the other candidates were fluff material that were never in true consideration, and when the BOT realized that they had NO ONE on their list of candidates that qualified what they were looking for, they tried to start over, and the political party in this state rose up in arms. Or, at least, the leader of the political party in this state - the Governor, to the criticism of even other Republican legislators.

So now we'll see. The part of your response concerning my questions of Caslen as a fund-raiser, fails to even find the circumference of the target. I know who funds the USACAC. I know no one who has ever represented the USACAC has ever had to appear personally before a Congressional committee, and actually explain WHY they had their fiscal budget proposed the way it was. Their annual FY budgets are typically absorbed into the overall FY budgets presented by the Dept. of Defense, and they are not exorbitant nor exotic. And they typically get rubber-stamped through as approved.

So I question what experience Caslen could have obtained from that annual process. In terms of research and development experience, it would have been nice to have a President who had at least some experience in the actual field, so that when he/she went to lobby for funding, he/she could bring with them their own personal experience in lobbying for what USC's own departments will head up. Caslen will provide little here. USACAC does more of the training and development of military strategy and procedure at the command level. They teach military personnel how to be leaders.

If we were The Citadel, or a military institute, Caslen would be very near or at the top of my list to lead us. I hope he turns out to be our best, but we'll see....


Lonnie Utah
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re: What in the world is going on with the President search? What is McMaster doing?
From USC's website:

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"Caslen was a popular leader with the cadets at West Point, who nicknamed the superintendent “Supe Daddy” and joined him for early-morning physical training workouts each Wednesday"

"During his time at West Point, the academy was recognized as the nation’s No. 1 public college by U.S. News and World Report and Forbes magazines. "

"Caslen believes in building diverse, inclusive teams as a way to get the best outcomes. His record includes a demonstrated commitment to diversity, and during his tenure at West Point he appointed the first woman to serve as the commandant of cadets, the first woman to serve as a dean at West Point and the first African American female cadet to serve as first captain of the Corps of Cadets."


SOSFAN
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re: What in the world is going on with the President search? What is McMaster doing?
The ones complaining about the " process" spend 1 or 2 sentences on the " process" and then paragraph after paragraph about the military. It's pretty obvious where their true complaint lays. I say either get on board and support the man or stfu and get out of the way.


armytide373
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re: What in the world is going on with the President search? What is McMaster doing?
The CAC CG meets regularly both informally and formally with members of the HASC and SASC to inform and influence about Army priorities for force modernization. Further, he/she leverages the TRADOC, FORSCOM (to a lesser degree) and CSA to influence modernization priorities and funding allocations for each POM cycle. While not apples to apples by any measure, packaging, selling, and influencing on behalf of both Army and command specific themes for budgetary means is very much in his wheelhouse... and scratches the edge of the target.

CAC has the broadest portfolio by far of any 3 star command.

He is tied to a wealth of leadership and educational initiatives, faculty development, consolidation of best practices, politicians and defense contractors. He has influence and experience that the typical academic lacks. He is a practitioner in the field of education and development.

I do agree with your assessment of how the process played out and fully understand how it could affect some people's opinions.

That said, I hope it works out for the best. USC is a great institution and deserves great leadership.


I Bleed Garnet
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re: What in the world is going on with the President search? What is McMaster doing?
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stfu and get out of the way.

So how does one do that?

Just wanna know so I can body slam Libs


I Bleed Garnet
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re: What in the world is going on with the President search? What is McMaster doing?
Baws, just read it though

Although he’s military, we just elected another Yankee


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Cockopotamus
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re: What in the world is going on with the President search? What is McMaster doing?
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He was on an original short list, but the BOT decided against him and announced they were re-opening the search.



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I presume McMaster wants influence on the president because he’ll then have direct influence over the school’s budget. That makes it political IMO.



No, the board was fine with him initially, but then the leftist started protesting because the short list he was selected from wasn't diverse enough, and Caslen said "frick this shite I'm out."

After that blew over, McMaster went to Caslen and asked if he would accept the position if he was voted in, and Caslen said yes, so McMaster called for a vote.

The lefists politicized this thing and their crying about division and politicization would be hysterical if people didn't actually take them seriously.


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Cockopotamus
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re: What in the world is going on with the President search? What is McMaster doing?
From what I read Loftis is spot on


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scrooster
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re: What in the world is going on with the President search? What is McMaster doing?
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armytide373



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GetCocky11
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re: What in the world is going on with the President search? What is McMaster doing?
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Not even the post Civil War reconstruction process was this contentious.


Now that this whole thing is over, I would like to discuss this further. I am just hoping that you could explain why you think this.

I actually re-read the Reconstruction chapter in the Walter Edgar history just to refresh my memory.

The university was nearly destroyed by Reconstruction. It was reorganized into an integrated university which caused white society (faculty and students) to quit/withdraw. Integration (USC was almost entirely black by the end of Reconstruction) was so contentious that nobody in Democrat white society wanted anything to do with the place. After Reconstruction ended, the university was closed for multiple years before being reopened as a white-only A&M type school. If you go look at the history marker at the Horseshoe, this period in the university's history is simply referred to as "Radical Control".

The reconstruction time period was incredibly contentious.
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I Bleed Garnet
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re: What in the world is going on with the President search? What is McMaster doing?
He’s just exaggerating he doesn’t mean it

Although what’s this shite about us getting a letter about our accreditation?


Carolina_Girl
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Although what’s this shite about us getting a letter about our accreditation?



Wait..what?!


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