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Was Muschamp a year away at Florida?
Posted on 12/7/15 at 4:15 pm
Posted on 12/7/15 at 4:15 pm
Look at Sabans first four years at Michigan State, and then look at his 5th year.
Do you think if Muschamp had one more year, Florida would have looked like a much different team? I mean Florida went from 4-8 to 7-5 and now 10-3 currently under McElwain and played in the SECCG.
Do you think if Muschamp had one more year, Florida would have looked like a much different team? I mean Florida went from 4-8 to 7-5 and now 10-3 currently under McElwain and played in the SECCG.
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Posted on 12/7/15 at 4:18 pm to CNB
Heath is that you ?
Posted on 12/7/15 at 4:19 pm to jackmanusc
I may have paraphrased his point with the Saban thing, but it's a good one.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 4:22 pm to CNB
If he'll let Roper establish an offensive identity and as long as it doesn't change much from what USC was previously doing then he'll be pretty good.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 4:34 pm to CNB
I'd think he'd probably done as good of a job as McElwain has done this year, Will Grier was the sole difference to that squad. It would've been interesting to find out how he would've done with that group.
You can see how much of an impact he made with Treon now in at QB.
You can see how much of an impact he made with Treon now in at QB.
This post was edited on 12/7/15 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 12/7/15 at 5:04 pm to CNB
Well it's like tanner said today. There's two coaches in the playoff right now one that had a 28-21 record after 4years and one that had a worse record than that. Remember these our booms players comeback and talk to me again about UF in 3yrs
Posted on 12/7/15 at 5:32 pm to CNB
An argument could be made that Boom was one season away.
Also, it was the loss to us, (remember the two blocked kicks and that might explain some of the special teams questions today), that cost Muschamp a shot at another year.
Also, it was the loss to us, (remember the two blocked kicks and that might explain some of the special teams questions today), that cost Muschamp a shot at another year.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 7:42 pm to CNB
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Do you think if Muschamp had one more year
This issue is not the "what if" but "what will" in the modern day of SEC football. If Miles and Richt have taught us anything this year is how crazy only 9 wins in the regular season matter in this conference.
The issue is how long the clock will run on Boom.
EOY 0 = He has not even started and his seat is already warm
EOY 1 = 6-6 and he should still have a job
EOY 2 = 6-6 and his seat will be warm
EOY 3 = 6-6 and his seat will be on fire
EOY 4 = 8-4 and his seat could be just as hot, if not hotter
EOY 5 = 10-2 and he could be looking for a job
The question is not how good a coach he "might" be but how long he will have to cool his seat over time. I am trying to remember any 10 win seasons prior to the 80's yet now the SEC is in a feeding frenzy where even 10 wins a season is not job security.
Boom will need time, but will he get it? Especially when the coaching cycles favors the guys in their 60's who will be depleted in the next generation. I try and imagine if some of the greatest coaches of my youth would even have a job in the modern systems geared more toward a single season than a real multi generational dynasty.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 8:12 pm to CNB
Probably.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 8:32 pm to CNB
No, Iike you guys and for your sake I hope he can change his stripes. But I honestly don't see this ending well.
Hope I'm wrong
Hope I'm wrong
Posted on 12/7/15 at 8:37 pm to Cheese Grits
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EOY 0 = He has not even started and his seat is already warm
EOY 1 = 6-6 and he should still have a job
EOY 2 = 6-6 and his seat will be warm
EOY 3 = 6-6 and his seat will be on fire
EOY 4 = 8-4 and his seat could be just as hot, if not hotter
EOY 5 = 10-2 and he could be looking for a job
I don't think thats reasonable at all for MUSChamp at USC and the last two years of that time line are absurd for any program. Kirby Smart would get fired after 3 years of 6-6 but anyone that improves from 6-6 to 8-4 isn't going to get the boot and certainly no one that improves from 6-6 to 8-4 to 10-2 isn't going to be run off.
Lets not forget that Les and Richt had job security issues not because of wins and losses, but because of stagnation and specific losses to rivals that consistently kept them out of the SEC championship game.
Back to MUSChamp, his seat would probably be warm after a 3rd straight year at 6-6 but if there are improvements that are not measurable by wins and losses then it just stays warm even going into year 4.
Frank Martin came into his 4th year without much improvement in wins and losses but you could see that his teams were getting better, he was building a program and just needed time.
This post was edited on 12/7/15 at 8:40 pm
Posted on 12/7/15 at 9:45 pm to Cockopotamus
Yeah he won't get run off with a 10-2 season. Hell, probably not even with consistent 8-4 seasons as long as he wins most of his bowl games and recruiting is good. You know he will have a good defense, so if the offense can be just average, 8 to 10 win seasons is very attainable.
The offense will be a work in progress so patience will be needed. If Roper is indeed the OC (last I heard) it looked like he did help the Gator offense the year he was there. Taking this off of SB Nation: "In his lone season at Florida, Roper improved the Gators from 18.8 points per game to 30.3 while installing a more spread offense."
Which really surprised me because I just remember Florida's offense being nothing but a dumpster fire under Muschamp. In any event, there is a risk with every hire, but I think the guy has it in him to be a consistent winner at Scar. Time will tell for both our new coaches.
Btw, thanks for allowing me access here. Appreciate it!
The offense will be a work in progress so patience will be needed. If Roper is indeed the OC (last I heard) it looked like he did help the Gator offense the year he was there. Taking this off of SB Nation: "In his lone season at Florida, Roper improved the Gators from 18.8 points per game to 30.3 while installing a more spread offense."
Which really surprised me because I just remember Florida's offense being nothing but a dumpster fire under Muschamp. In any event, there is a risk with every hire, but I think the guy has it in him to be a consistent winner at Scar. Time will tell for both our new coaches.
Btw, thanks for allowing me access here. Appreciate it!
Posted on 12/8/15 at 10:04 am to Cockopotamus
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Frank Martin came into his 4th year without much improvement in wins and losses but you could see that his teams were getting better, he was building a program and just needed time.
Apples and Oranges
We joke about it all the time that basketball is an afterthought in the SEC but there is some truth in reality. Holtz to Spurrier to Boom will create a different level of expectation wether we admit it or not. He will have to produce much faster than Martin just because of the sport and the conference.
Posted on 12/8/15 at 10:50 am to CNB
I really think Muschamp was possibly a year away at UF. He was the scapegoat but fans dont realize 2013 was an unmitigated disaster because of all the injuries...we were down to our third string QB when we played you guys and only had 59 players get on the plane to Columbia...including 4 walk ons who played special teams. NO SEC TEAM can play 3rd string qbs and look good....especially our 3rd string that year..but we made a game of it only falling in late 3rd qt. Our next game was Ga Southern and fans dont have a clue, we had a walk on start at LB, a true frosh who had only played some snaps on special teams and we had the 3rd string QB. We were decimated by season ending injuries but it made the fans believe 4-8 was the fault of Muschamp. In 2014 we didnt do well and some of it is plain offensive coordinator related. Boom's fault was never hiring the right OC. Even then in 2014 were a dropped pass in endzone from beating LSU and two special teams blunders against you guys in the last 5 minutes from being a 9 win team at least. Bama & Mizzou were our worse games.
I liked Muschamp and he did settle down on the sidelines after his first two years. He cleaned out the locker room after Meyers mess....and it was a mess.
Im afraid we will have to play against him in a couple of years with loaded defense.
I liked Muschamp and he did settle down on the sidelines after his first two years. He cleaned out the locker room after Meyers mess....and it was a mess.
Im afraid we will have to play against him in a couple of years with loaded defense.
Posted on 12/8/15 at 10:57 am to reel_gator8
Would you please give us more of a breakdown of what you saw with the OC hires while Muschamp was there. What were the problems with those guys?
Posted on 12/9/15 at 7:17 pm to CockInYourEar
Bump to reel the gator back in this thread.
Posted on 12/12/15 at 1:54 pm to CNB
UF has had bad luck with QB's. Had high-rated guys like Driskel and Brissett wash out. Then when it looked like Grier was going to work out, ya know .... and once he was gone, it seemed like the Gator O got worse by the week.
But the fact they were able to win the East says a couple of things: (a) The division is not that strong, and USC should be able to compete year-over-year, (b) a stout D gives you a chance to win, and Muschamp recruited and built one down there.
But the fact they were able to win the East says a couple of things: (a) The division is not that strong, and USC should be able to compete year-over-year, (b) a stout D gives you a chance to win, and Muschamp recruited and built one down there.
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