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re: State of Gamecock Recruiting for 2019
Posted on 2/17/18 at 9:40 pm to BamaBully
Posted on 2/17/18 at 9:40 pm to BamaBully
He reads this board ... like the Gamecock Central people do.
They are why I can no longer share much more, but I figure the other stuff will get out sooner or later so no harm.
Today was a big day with mostly 2020 prospects but man some of them looked like studs. We're definitely taking it to the next level. I'd say we had five 5* worthy prospects there today.
Tony's Dad coached at a HS in Greenville, Wren was it? I can't remember. Anyways, his Dad was good friends with Dave Roberts which got him in with the Holtz staff and it carried over somewhat into the Spurrier staff ... which included some weight room and training staff.
He's been cut off by Boom, as has others.
They are why I can no longer share much more, but I figure the other stuff will get out sooner or later so no harm.
Today was a big day with mostly 2020 prospects but man some of them looked like studs. We're definitely taking it to the next level. I'd say we had five 5* worthy prospects there today.
Tony's Dad coached at a HS in Greenville, Wren was it? I can't remember. Anyways, his Dad was good friends with Dave Roberts which got him in with the Holtz staff and it carried over somewhat into the Spurrier staff ... which included some weight room and training staff.
He's been cut off by Boom, as has others.
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Posted on 2/17/18 at 10:50 pm to scrooster
I have got to make an observation about our recruiting fortunes as I see them developing over the next 24 months.
We're about to become really unpopular with some of the other programs if we show the progress on the recruiting trail that I think we're going to show.
We're not gonna catch hell on the boards from most of the UGA and Bama fans, because they are gonna get theirs. We may be accused of cheating ... they're gonna do that, it's inevitable, but let's let that roll off our shoulders.
I anticipate some real yelling and screaming from some Auburn, Florida and Tennessee fans though. We're going to be pulling some of the players they've become accustomed to signing and they're going to question how and why.
Here's the deal. Auburn fans are gonna be pissed as more info starts surfacing on some of the players that relationships were built with while half of our staff was coaching over there .... and to a lesser extent BMac while he was at UGA.
Tennessee is going to be pissed when we take some players, and they are coming, outta Georgia and Tennessee. Tennessee will turn dirty about it ... you can bet on that. They are wicked territorial up there and they've been doing it longer and better than most understand in our fanbase ... and they are desperate to score big with these next two classes.
Florida is already trying to dirty the water for us down there but that's normal and to be expected. Mullen has got to throw up walls ... he's still recruiting with a MSU mentality but his new gig hubris. We're not looking to pull that many players out of Florida ... mostly diamonds in the rough. Skill players, speed demons and the occasional LB and DB studs when we can beat UF, FSU and Miami for them.
It's Tennessee and Auburn that are about to be really butthurt based on the direction this seems to be going. We're going to hurt Tennessee, Clemson and Auburn in Georgia and North Carolina especially. All it takes is two or three from each, in their strong holds, and we're in business.
This staff is cultivating some incredible relationships ... like nothing I have ever seen before. And they are timing it just right with these next two classes given our facilities (and that Lincoln Street dorm is huge for us right now) and with the new Football Ops building now really starting to take shape (went by there today - you can see how spectacular it is going to be already).
Last night they had everything lit-up on both sides of the road for the visits ... stadium lights, Deebo banner, indoor practice facility full exterior lights, the new football ops building ... I mean it looked great.
This entire staff and especially this support crew really know how to put on a show. I've never seen anything like it. They do not miss a beat. It is choreographed right down to every little detail for every single drop-in, every single unofficial visit and they are pouring-in from all over everywhere because word is out.
I've been sorta inside, at times more than other times, for the better part of thirty years now ... and I can type without reservation that Boom and Company are playing 3D chess in their recruiting game right now. I've never seen so many big time athletes knocking on our door looking to see what all the talk is about. It's way more than I ever imagined it could be .... we're playing the game the right way now. (Was told today that our camp rosters are starting to look like a Top 250 who's who from east of the Mississippi and south of the Great Lakes.)
Which means we're about to get on the front porch with the big dogs and we'd better be ready to play rough.
We'll just enjoy it here ... out there is where things are gonna get really negative and ugly. It's already started and the kids are telling about it. How we fare this season is going to be really important. This upcoming season may honestly be our most important ever because, unlike Spurrier's staffs, this current staff of ours is taking full advantage of the momentum.
FWIW I really believe this Todd commitment will stick for the long haul. He's fully on board. He sees it happening. He's also going to help us with some others because this kid has camp creds among a lot of his peers. Now, that's 2020 and this is the 2019 Class thread but this Todd commit is that big because it will merge these next two classes. The few 2019 visitors that were there today were all about meshing with the other younger visitors ... it was some kind of a productive day in that regard.
We're about to become really unpopular with some of the other programs if we show the progress on the recruiting trail that I think we're going to show.
We're not gonna catch hell on the boards from most of the UGA and Bama fans, because they are gonna get theirs. We may be accused of cheating ... they're gonna do that, it's inevitable, but let's let that roll off our shoulders.
I anticipate some real yelling and screaming from some Auburn, Florida and Tennessee fans though. We're going to be pulling some of the players they've become accustomed to signing and they're going to question how and why.
Here's the deal. Auburn fans are gonna be pissed as more info starts surfacing on some of the players that relationships were built with while half of our staff was coaching over there .... and to a lesser extent BMac while he was at UGA.
Tennessee is going to be pissed when we take some players, and they are coming, outta Georgia and Tennessee. Tennessee will turn dirty about it ... you can bet on that. They are wicked territorial up there and they've been doing it longer and better than most understand in our fanbase ... and they are desperate to score big with these next two classes.
Florida is already trying to dirty the water for us down there but that's normal and to be expected. Mullen has got to throw up walls ... he's still recruiting with a MSU mentality but his new gig hubris. We're not looking to pull that many players out of Florida ... mostly diamonds in the rough. Skill players, speed demons and the occasional LB and DB studs when we can beat UF, FSU and Miami for them.
It's Tennessee and Auburn that are about to be really butthurt based on the direction this seems to be going. We're going to hurt Tennessee, Clemson and Auburn in Georgia and North Carolina especially. All it takes is two or three from each, in their strong holds, and we're in business.
This staff is cultivating some incredible relationships ... like nothing I have ever seen before. And they are timing it just right with these next two classes given our facilities (and that Lincoln Street dorm is huge for us right now) and with the new Football Ops building now really starting to take shape (went by there today - you can see how spectacular it is going to be already).
Last night they had everything lit-up on both sides of the road for the visits ... stadium lights, Deebo banner, indoor practice facility full exterior lights, the new football ops building ... I mean it looked great.
This entire staff and especially this support crew really know how to put on a show. I've never seen anything like it. They do not miss a beat. It is choreographed right down to every little detail for every single drop-in, every single unofficial visit and they are pouring-in from all over everywhere because word is out.
I've been sorta inside, at times more than other times, for the better part of thirty years now ... and I can type without reservation that Boom and Company are playing 3D chess in their recruiting game right now. I've never seen so many big time athletes knocking on our door looking to see what all the talk is about. It's way more than I ever imagined it could be .... we're playing the game the right way now. (Was told today that our camp rosters are starting to look like a Top 250 who's who from east of the Mississippi and south of the Great Lakes.)
Which means we're about to get on the front porch with the big dogs and we'd better be ready to play rough.
We'll just enjoy it here ... out there is where things are gonna get really negative and ugly. It's already started and the kids are telling about it. How we fare this season is going to be really important. This upcoming season may honestly be our most important ever because, unlike Spurrier's staffs, this current staff of ours is taking full advantage of the momentum.
FWIW I really believe this Todd commitment will stick for the long haul. He's fully on board. He sees it happening. He's also going to help us with some others because this kid has camp creds among a lot of his peers. Now, that's 2020 and this is the 2019 Class thread but this Todd commit is that big because it will merge these next two classes. The few 2019 visitors that were there today were all about meshing with the other younger visitors ... it was some kind of a productive day in that regard.
Posted on 2/18/18 at 5:18 am to scrooster
To be fair I doubt the ops bldg is that big for us...it will help but won't make a huge difference imo..thw diff will be our staff
This post was edited on 2/18/18 at 5:19 am
Posted on 2/18/18 at 5:21 am to mikeboss550
Getting guys to randomly drop in when the big names who play the same position and they happen to run into each other would be a bigger ordeal....
Posted on 2/18/18 at 6:18 am to mikeboss550
Unfortunately the name of the game in the recruiting world is what can you do for me. It looks like rooster has drunk the koolaid but is missing the big picture of why big time recruits sign with programs these days.
Guys want to be taken care of so boosters have to find ways around the rules. A good example is XT and what those bastards from the upstate gave him.
First they isolated him away from his Gamecock upbringing in Florence to a football factory in FL. Next they provided for him financially by buying his dad’s car wash at way above it’s value. Which is pretty damn good considering the guys in prison right now. Get him to commit early and it removes all other programs from the conversation.
Putting on a good show for visitors, having guys get drafted, and producing on the football field will get big time recruits in the door. Playing dirty and manipulating the system will get them to sign with you. That’s how the big boys stay the big boys and everybody else gets the scraps.
Guys want to be taken care of so boosters have to find ways around the rules. A good example is XT and what those bastards from the upstate gave him.
First they isolated him away from his Gamecock upbringing in Florence to a football factory in FL. Next they provided for him financially by buying his dad’s car wash at way above it’s value. Which is pretty damn good considering the guys in prison right now. Get him to commit early and it removes all other programs from the conversation.
Putting on a good show for visitors, having guys get drafted, and producing on the football field will get big time recruits in the door. Playing dirty and manipulating the system will get them to sign with you. That’s how the big boys stay the big boys and everybody else gets the scraps.
Posted on 2/18/18 at 8:47 am to big6ben9
I disagree on Todd, this kid will be here as long as BMac is...and Marcus will keep us in the game
Posted on 2/18/18 at 4:23 pm to scrooster
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We'll just enjoy it here ... out there is where things are gonna get really negative and ugly. It's already started and the kids are telling about it. How we fare this season is going to be really important. This upcoming season may honestly be our most important ever because, unlike Spurrier's staffs, this current staff of ours is taking full advantage of the momentum.
This is all I ask for: the negative recruiting has already been there for years to some degree, so that doesn't surprise me. And we don't necessarily have to fight back dirt with dirt - I just want a staff that actually works the recruiting trail competitively, to earn their high salaries.
Especially a staff that ratchets it up when they start getting on-field success, and uses that success to go after more elite talent and turn them our way. Spurrier's staff pulled in on paper their best class ever with the 2007 cycle by taking the program to 5-6 wins under Holtz to a 8-5 season in two years. They started the cycle strong, and used the wins against Clemson and the bowl game the final 2 games to close down on some good talent and finished even stronger.
Of course, that was when we had Beamer as RC, who had an idea how to evaluate talent and recruit them. A lot of that talent helped raise up the program and were still on the roster when we started winning 9-11 games.
Just need to recruit. Coach the team to wins, and recruit hard off of that. And with more wins each season, the harder you recruit for better talent - use that success to back up your recruitment sells. I'm glad to see we have a staff that believes in this. It's how all the successful programs stay consistently successful.....
Posted on 2/18/18 at 9:07 pm to mikeboss550
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To be fair I doubt the ops bldg is that big for us...it will help but won't make a huge difference imo..thw diff will be our staff
It's huge. It's making a huge difference.
I've seen the prospect presentation ... it's damn near of holographic quality. Our promotional video department may be the finest in the country not just when it comes to social media but to these tours and walk throughs and presentations as well. They like to show them to us in our Garnet Society meetings and luncheons.
The battle these days is in commitment. Commitment to athletics, commitment to academics, commitment to facilities. It's all intertwined and the new football ops building, as in who is going to break its cherry ... it's a huge massive part of the next two recruiting classes and it's being sold that way. A development tool, focus on football and combined with The Dodie it's a helluva one two punch.
The old school blue bloods ... they learned long ago what facilities meant to prospects. It meant money, appearances, commitment, wealth, standing, prestige, showcases, etc.
It's huge.
So is the Gamecock Plaza, The Garnet Way, Williams-Brice, the new athletic dorms and so on and so forth. As a package it is very formidable when sold by a young staff capable of selling it ... but without it this staff wouldn't be here.
Posted on 2/18/18 at 9:17 pm to ConwayGamecock
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Of course, that was when we had Beamer as RC, who had an idea how to evaluate talent and recruit them. A lot of that talent helped raise up the program and were still on the roster when we started winning 9-11 games.
Those years were not about Shane, although that's the myth behind it all.
Those years were about incredible in-state talent combined with a couple of banner years outta NC as well. In other words, Beamer gets the credit but it landed in his lap. Hell, I would argue that David Reeves did it better and was far more agressive, had a better eye for talent and knew how to play dirty much much better than Shane did. Hell, David was a shithole asshat scumbag but he was talented. He was a disciple of Dirty Dave Roberts or, as the staff knew him, Ole Dirty Bastard Dave.
I loved Dave though. Learned to recruit the old days at Notre Dame then SWC style at Baylor then ... well, doesn't matter.
Shane never tore it up at Va Tech recruiting.
mUSChamp, now mUSChamp is a master ... his own RC. And he really does know how to evaluate talent. He's very very good. Very good. And this next couple of years the Carolinas and Atlanta is going to produce even better talent than the same areas did during those few years for Beamer.
Question is, will this staff be able to coach'em-up like that staff of Spurrier, Bubba, Whammy, EJ and Lawing did with what they had?
My bet is yes, they will, even better.
Posted on 2/18/18 at 9:23 pm to mikeboss550
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Getting guys to randomly drop in when the big names who play the same position and they happen to run into each other would be a bigger ordeal....
That's already happening three fold.
1) They are willfully dropping by at their own coordinated times ... on their own.
2) They are committing to camps, our camps, together, during their visits and this is wear big recruiting battles are won.
3) They are planning official visits at the same time, coordinated through our team of recruiters ... and, from there, they are routinely followed-up with, contacted, encouraged, loved, shown attention ... at all levels and with enthusiasm. It's a machine how phase III of the process works.
Georgia is about to adoot and implement this methodology and they are going to absolutely clean up. Clemson and Bama have been doing it awhile. Florida is soon to follow. So is Tennessee. It's absolute saturation.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 5:03 pm to scrooster
Zacch Pickens 5?? DE
Quavo Crouch 5?? RB
Curtis Fann 4?? DE
Rashad Cheney 4?? DT
Savion Jackson 5?? DE
Jaylen McCullogh 4?? S
Jaylin Simpson 4?? DB
Freshwater 4?? LB
Tra Wilkins 3?? LB
Kalen DeLoach 4?? LB
Jaelin Humphries 4?? OT/DT
Kamren McCray 3?? OT
Warren McClendon 4?? OT
Jakai Moore 3?? OG
Joesph Anderson 4?? DE
Jammie Robinson 4?? DB
Quavo Crouch 5?? RB
Curtis Fann 4?? DE
Rashad Cheney 4?? DT
Savion Jackson 5?? DE
Jaylen McCullogh 4?? S
Jaylin Simpson 4?? DB
Freshwater 4?? LB
Tra Wilkins 3?? LB
Kalen DeLoach 4?? LB
Jaelin Humphries 4?? OT/DT
Kamren McCray 3?? OT
Warren McClendon 4?? OT
Jakai Moore 3?? OG
Joesph Anderson 4?? DE
Jammie Robinson 4?? DB
Posted on 2/20/18 at 8:00 pm to scrooster
So right now we're looking really good with those players listed above.
Posted on 2/20/18 at 11:08 pm to scrooster
I'd add in shrader a Qb out of NC who is a border line 3/4* guy
This post was edited on 2/20/18 at 11:10 pm
Posted on 2/28/18 at 6:44 am to mikeboss550
Mark Fox was bumped to a composite 4*. I'm not sure if Fitten was downgraded but he's a 3* that is just a couple players away from being a 4*. Vincent Murphy got a ratings bump, now a higher 3* but still a ways from that 4th*. Devontae Davis is now ranked the #1 Juco DE.
Posted on 2/28/18 at 9:04 am to mikeboss550
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I'd add in shrader a Qb out of NC who is a border line 3/4* guy
Is he a 2019 guy ... or do I have him confused with the California kid as a 2020 prospect?
Posted on 2/28/18 at 9:40 am to scrooster
Shrader is a 2019 guy
Posted on 2/28/18 at 2:00 pm to GameCocky88
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Mark Fox was bumped to a composite 4*. I'm not sure if Fitten was downgraded but he's a 3* that is just a couple players away from being a 4*. Vincent Murphy got a ratings bump, now a higher 3* but still a ways from that 4th*. Devontae Davis is now ranked the #1 Juco DE.
LOL, well, 247Sports haven't really gotten going with their JUCO prospect ratings yet: Davis is only 1 of 2 JUCO DEs they've rated.
But if you got to start somewhere, starting at #1 is as good as any I can think of.
Posted on 2/28/18 at 2:18 pm to ConwayGamecock
come on man i left that out on purpose 
Posted on 2/28/18 at 5:05 pm to GameCocky88
IF we don’t get Shader we’re fricked
Posted on 3/1/18 at 2:34 am to BamaBully
How so??
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