Started By
Message
Reality
Posted on 9/4/23 at 5:39 pm
Posted on 9/4/23 at 5:39 pm
2020 class 13 of the 20 players are gone off the team. 2021 only had 13 signees with most lower 3*. Our portal players we brought in this year do not have SEC talent. I expect 2023 and 2024 to be rough but time to play the youngsters.
Hardesty and the OL coach need to be fired as does the Clayton White experiment.
Hardesty and the OL coach need to be fired as does the Clayton White experiment.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 1:31 pm to SOSFAN
Frick I hate to admit I thought this yesterday, but help is on the way. If we can keep the two 4 Star tackles we will be in much better shape. We missed in the portal this year, but if we don't botch the next two rounds then 2025 could be good.
Damn...I remember following the Lattimore recruitment for 2010 on cockytalk...I am getting old
Damn...I remember following the Lattimore recruitment for 2010 on cockytalk...I am getting old
Posted on 9/6/23 at 1:45 pm to GamecockUltimate
Reality is that last year's portal experience is probably going to be the norm.
You had Lloyd, Burch, and Bell leave for bigger programs and more money. Well, if we have a breakout player this year, those same kinds of programs will come and sign them in free agency. We don't have that kind of money.
USC absolutely *has* to hit on its FCS transfers, such as Wells and Anderson, in order to be competitive. When that doesn't happen, you can't count on "help being on the way" the next year from your own developed players because someone else is going to be scouting your team and taking them.
I'll be willing to make a sizable wager that a Nyck Harbor or a Pup Howard will not be here next season, assuming they perform well.
We're a poor, in relative payroll terms. The portal will likely always hurt us.
You had Lloyd, Burch, and Bell leave for bigger programs and more money. Well, if we have a breakout player this year, those same kinds of programs will come and sign them in free agency. We don't have that kind of money.
USC absolutely *has* to hit on its FCS transfers, such as Wells and Anderson, in order to be competitive. When that doesn't happen, you can't count on "help being on the way" the next year from your own developed players because someone else is going to be scouting your team and taking them.
I'll be willing to make a sizable wager that a Nyck Harbor or a Pup Howard will not be here next season, assuming they perform well.
We're a poor, in relative payroll terms. The portal will likely always hurt us.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 3:47 pm to RoyalAir
quote:
Nyck Harbor
dude is raw, he most likely wont be performing well. As for pup I think the guy is all gamecock. I suppose $$ could be factor, but he comes off like a team guy
Posted on 9/7/23 at 9:59 am to RoyalAir
I've been one of Beamer's biggest critics on here. I wanted him gone before the UT and Clemson games last year, but he turned me around and proved his skeptics wrong.
The UNC game just brought my skepticism back and grow even more, unfortunately. My worry has been that the constant fawning over him from our social media team and major parts of our fanbase makes him feel infallible. I don't like how defensive he gets when people ask why the frick he hired an OC with no college playcalling experience after an OC with no college playcalling experience was clearly our biggest problem last year.
Also, his staff's evaluations of transfer portal players is absolutely his biggest red flag right now IMO. We're an SEC school with nearly zero depth at RB and the best we could pull was a RB from Newberry. Grabbing a bunch of G5 O-linemen and expecting them to handle SEC DLs was a major head scratcher that is proving to be a death knell. This just goes back to him clearly wanting to keep "his guys" on staff when we need throat cutters with SEC/P5 experience like other SEC staffs have.
The UNC game just brought my skepticism back and grow even more, unfortunately. My worry has been that the constant fawning over him from our social media team and major parts of our fanbase makes him feel infallible. I don't like how defensive he gets when people ask why the frick he hired an OC with no college playcalling experience after an OC with no college playcalling experience was clearly our biggest problem last year.
Also, his staff's evaluations of transfer portal players is absolutely his biggest red flag right now IMO. We're an SEC school with nearly zero depth at RB and the best we could pull was a RB from Newberry. Grabbing a bunch of G5 O-linemen and expecting them to handle SEC DLs was a major head scratcher that is proving to be a death knell. This just goes back to him clearly wanting to keep "his guys" on staff when we need throat cutters with SEC/P5 experience like other SEC staffs have.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 10:40 am to Bluefin
quote:
Also, his staff's evaluations of transfer portal players is absolutely his biggest red flag right now IMO. We're an SEC school with nearly zero depth at RB and the best we could pull was a RB from Newberry. Grabbing a bunch of G5 O-linemen and expecting them to handle SEC DLs was a major head scratcher that is proving to be a death knell. This just goes back to him clearly wanting to keep "his guys" on staff when we need throat cutters with SEC/P5 experience like other SEC staffs have.
I hear you but the portal is a 2 part equation. You're right about evals, but it's also, "who can you get to come here."
Posted on 9/7/23 at 12:42 pm to Lonnie Utah
The sad fact is South Carolina doesn't have the NIL to bring in top portal players.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 1:08 pm to Lonnie Utah
quote:
You're right about evals, but it's also, "who can you get to come here."
Agreed and there's no doubt NIL will be a detriment to our program unless Tanner finally embraces it, but by all accounts, Utah's backup RB wanted to come to SC but our staff put all its eggs in the Logan Diggs and the kid from NC State's baskets. Both were whiffs and the kid decided to stay in Utah.
Not saying he would've had any sort of impact against UNC, but it's not good that our top 2 RBs are a converted QB/WR and a kid that played D2 last year. We're in this position because we missed in the portal and Hardesty is a terrible recruiter that Beamer won't fire.
We'll be limited in attracting top-end talent like FSU did with Jaheim Bell, but we are absolutely able to attract serviceable dudes that add solid depth with P5 experience. It doesn't have to be as bad as the OL currently is, and the vicious circle is that poor performances like the UNC game will just discourage larger NIL support from our fans.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 1:31 pm to Bluefin
quote:
We'll be limited in attracting top-end talent like FSU did with Jaheim Bell, but we are absolutely able to attract serviceable dudes that add solid depth with P5 experience. It doesn't have to be as bad as the OL currently is, and the vicious circle is that poor performances like the UNC game will just discourage larger NIL support from our fans.
Which is exactly why it's stupid to put the limited salary budget we do have into HS Srs.
You have a hard, internal cap. Use it on transfers and proven commodities. You can't blow your budget on unproven draft picks.
We basically have to approach this new professional league as an inverse of the NFL. Budget has to go to transfers and impact players, *not* highly touted, non-difference makers like the majority of last year's class.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 1:31 pm to RoyalAir
Finally, Hardesty is an abomination as a coach and a recruiter.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 1:59 pm to RoyalAir
quote:
You have a hard, internal cap. Use it on transfers and proven commodities. You can't blow your budget on unproven draft picks.
100% on board with this. Coach Prime is showing what the future of college football is.
Too bad it would go against Beamer’s philosophy and his “culture of love” in every way and would never happen here.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 2:27 pm to Bluefin
quote:
Too bad it would go against Beamer’s philosophy and his “culture of love” in every way and would never happen here.
Beamer is trying to build a program the way his dad did it, and I am sympathetic to it.
But you're 100% correct. Prime, Freeze, and Norvell are providing the blueprint. You have a year-to-year team NOT a program. It's different than it was.
You cannot build a culture on unity/family/camaraderie in an Era when everyone is trying to "get the bag." It doesn't work.
The Beamer Era is going to stall out before it ever could take off, due to inability to work with/understand NIL.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 5:08 pm to Bluefin
quote:
Too bad it would go against Beamer’s philosophy and his “culture of love” in every way and would never happen here.
He can adjust or it will lead to his demise.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 7:33 pm to SOSFAN
quote:
He can adjust or it will lead to his demise.
Exhibit A: Dabo
Posted on 9/7/23 at 9:23 pm to lungbuster06
quote:
Exhibit A: Dabo
Difference is dabo has some trophy's to give him more time. Beamer not so much.
Posted on 9/8/23 at 8:51 am to Bluefin
quote:So you're just ignoring Carlins Platel, Ahmarean Brown, David Spaulding, Jordan Strachan, Jason Brown, Debo Williams, Nate Adkins, Juice Wells, Spencer Rattler, and Trey Knox?
evaluations of transfer portal players is absolutely his biggest red flag right now
Offense line is always a crapshoot for both HS recruits and college transfers. It's not like the portal is saturated with elite prospects. We lost seniors last year and are still relying on Muschamp's guys to be our starters right now and have to supplement that with transfers to give our freshman the most time.
This staff's OL recruiting seems to be head and shoulders above the last staff's.
Posted on 9/8/23 at 10:59 am to Soda City Spur
quote:
This staff's OL recruiting seems to be head and shoulders above the last staff's.
Our next recruiting class will have elite OL in it, probably the best group in the country. With that being said, I think OL recruitment has always been undervalued. I feel like OL players only needed size requirements. What we need is a good OL coach, a great OL coach would be better. Give me some huge boys up front with mediocre talent and a high drive with a Great OL coach any day of the week.
Posted on 9/9/23 at 8:55 am to Soda City Spur
quote:
So you're just ignoring Carlins Platel, Ahmarean Brown, David Spaulding, Jordan Strachan, Jason Brown, Debo Williams, Nate Adkins, Juice Wells, Spencer Rattler, and Trey Knox?
I’m not trying to be a dick, but only 3 of those guys (Rattler, Wells, Adkins) have done anything memorable in a Gamecock jersey. And Adkins’ dad was already on staff for crying out loud.
There’s a difference between being a warm body that adds depth and maybe has a a few decent games, and having a clear-cut impact throughout the season. If worked correctly, the transfer portal should bring in experienced guys who can plug the holes and produce right off the bat. We can make it happen by allocating more NIL money to transfers and less to HS recruits.
quote:
It's not like the portal is saturated with elite prospects. We lost seniors last year and are still relying on Muschamp's guys to be our starters right now and have to supplement that with transfers to give our freshman the most time.
I don’t think anyone objective is expecting elite, but serviceable with P5 experience? Able to at least not give up 9 sacks to UNC? We are a program in the top 25 by most metrics, and all we could get in the portal was O-linemen from G5 schools and a D2 RB. Knox was a good get, and I hope he pans out.
And I despised Muschamp as much as anyone, but we can’t act like all of the talent he brought in was straight garbage. We 100% will feel the loss of Bell, Lloyd, and Burch throughout this season.
By the way, I hope I’m wrong (again) in my criticism of Beamer and he puts my foot in my mouth for me.
Back to top
Follow SECRant for SEC Football News