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I Bleed Garnet
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re: Looks like that shine is wearing off on Poor Little Old Clemson
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I think the problem is I see the clemson thread grow a good bit, so I check it out, thinking our rival really fricked up now, and it's just a handful of baws circle jerking to how cool they are for not circle jerking and "keeping it real"


The problem is this isn’t a South Carolina board
This is a small section off an LSU/Louisiana and SEC board

The SEC Rant, the MSB, and TigerRant see tons of traffic
And ours doesn’t because fans rather go to a strictly South Carolina board
Like CT was, or like Rivals is.
Majority of our fans on CT hated this board because the SECRant was way too much for them. I never posted on the rivals board either but I wouldn’t be shocked if they dislike this too.
I’d also venture that the majority of our fan base doesn’t want to discuss UofSC sports with other schools.



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TaterMashinCock
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re: Looks like that shine is wearing off on Poor Little Old Clemson
I much prefer reading to posting, but I can only read the same conversation so many times.

I can't say I was ever "sold" on Beamer being cheap so we could land a knock out staff, but I did believe he would employ more analysts and take a different approach. I'm ok with that because it's something different, and nobody is a sure thing, but definitely not thrilled about never having heard of most of the coaches we hired.

The recruiting class is a joke and has been all year. It's not like we even had some names buzzing when Muschamp was let go, our entire thread has 69 posts. Now we have a bunch of effing G5 nobodies who weren't even recruiting SEC talent in their last jobs trying to pull in all the transfers and recruits they're familiar with.

Even still the only coach that left that I'll miss is Kitchings. I just hate the clusterfeck way it unraveled. Objectively it seemed to save us $$, but we need morale and PR wins, anything to give us a positive light right now. Even a dirt cheap coach can bring some excitement for cheap, Beamer just seems to take it as it is and is either the most laid back HBC or just too slow to react to the clusterfeck he's in.

One thing I was sold on though, was that Tanners arse would be gone. I thought if Caslen had the guts to can Muschamp mid season he would clean house with Tanner and even Martin by now. Instead we're watching a bunch of dopes shrug and say man it's been a tough year for everyone. Just seems like the entire men's department is going idle on attempting to win at sports. Fuggin sucks.


SOSFAN
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re: Looks like that shine is wearing off on Poor Little Old Clemson
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much prefer reading to posting, 

If you don't participate then you don't have the right to complain about how everyone else is posting.

With that being said I really appreciate your response. It was a well thought out post, with reasons why you did or didn't like things, and you didn't candy coat the issue.

The majority of our fan base are like sheep being led around and believing anything they are told. One of the reasons Muschamp closed practices is to keep the fans from seeing the truth.

Our program is desperately trying to reinvent the HBC years. Beamer even hired a 4-2-5 guy. The elephant in the room is we were led by a HOF coach that is one of the greatest offensive minds in the history of cfb but we are now led by a TE coach. Pittman at Arkansas had a great start because he hired top notch coaches whereas we brought an a asst. ol coach to run our offense and a small time dc to run the defense. The name HBC sold recruits alone now we have guys that have to sell themselves first...not a good sign for successful recruiting in the SEC.

It's obvious to anyone without bias that Beamer is in over his head and has been outplayed at almost every turn. Doesn't mean he can't learn but ,imo, he is to damn nice and passive. SEC is cutthroat and I don't think Beamer can handle that. I personally think Muschamp would chew Beamer up and spit him out when it comes to recruiting.

We are in for a loongg next few seasons. This hire could be the nail in the coffin for our program.
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Lonnie Utah
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re: Looks like that shine is wearing off on Poor Little Old Clemson
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One of the reasons Muschamp closed practices is to keep the fans from seeing the truth.


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HalfCocked
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re: Looks like that shine is wearing off on Poor Little Old Clemson
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China virus


You're going to get this whole site pulled off go daddy saying things like that.


I Bleed Garnet
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re: Looks like that shine is wearing off on Poor Little Old Clemson
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You're going to get this whole site pulled off go daddy saying things like that.

No he isn’t


TaterMashinCock
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Member since Aug 2019
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re: Looks like that shine is wearing off on Poor Little Old Clemson
I'm glad we decided to not go out chasing the biggest swingingest Cock in the cycle. I could see the coaching model, at least at the bigger programs, getting away from it. It doesn't make sense to me that a $100M a year program would go out begging some coach to install their brand under our logo. Then, unless you strike gold, and manage to defend that gold, you're almost guaranteed to be shopping for a new brand in 5 years, having to pay more than the last brand, while paying off the fired brand. I'd rather see our program develop our own brand, where we can plug coaches like coaches plug players. It seems in the long run you would develop a continuity in recruiting, playbook, and fan/booster support that would be better than the setbacks and disruptions from completely scrapping your coach (and brand) every few years. Maybe you don't land the best coaches that way, at least not initially. But if you make up that knowledge/experience with intelligent and objective analysts, and let your coaches just teach and motivate, maybe you're better off anyways.

There's no telling if Beamer is even trying to do this, much less how successful he would be. But if I were to pick a guy to try it, Beamer would make as much sense as anyone else. A journeyman with a recognizable name who doesn't really come with a set way of doing things, and history with the program at its peak.

Regardless what the plan is, these next few years are likely gonna be ugly. I'll just be glad we gave it a different approach, for once.


HoldenOversoul
South Carolina Fan
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Member since Oct 2012
470 posts

re: Looks like that shine is wearing off on Poor Little Old Clemson
I tried talking myself into Beamer, but the way things have gone with the assistants is a bad look. This recruiting class was always going to be low rated, can't hold that against Beamer.

I'm sure some of these new assistants won't work out. I just want to see him show a willingness to cut bait and make changes when necessary. It stands to reason if he does that, eventually he'll hit on something that works. Then he has to parlay that into recruiting success and continued improvement on the field.

Do I think that's how this will go? Not really, but at least it isn't another season of fricking Muschamp


I Bleed Garnet
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re: Looks like that shine is wearing off on Poor Little Old Clemson
I think Beamer is a huge risk and a huge question mark

With Muschamp I knew it was a failure and he’d be a failure because he’s been a failure before


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HalfCocked
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re: Looks like that shine is wearing off on Poor Little Old Clemson
sarcasm bro, but we do not reside in the Liberals Republic of China


HalfCocked
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re: Looks like that shine is wearing off on Poor Little Old Clemson
I get your point Tater, but we could have done that for half what we spent on Beamer. And actually had an offense including one we needed for Doty. Its literally sitting in F'ing Myrtle Beach. I'm pretty sure he just beat us in recruiting too.


I Bleed Garnet
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re: Looks like that shine is wearing off on Poor Little Old Clemson
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sarcasm bro,

Oh my bad dog

I have a tough time telling what is and what isnt


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I Bleed Garnet
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re: Looks like that shine is wearing off on Poor Little Old Clemson
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I'm pretty sure he just beat us in recruiting too.



God dammit really?

We really are a bunch of loosers


SOSFAN
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Blythewood
Member since Jun 2018
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re: Looks like that shine is wearing off on Poor Little Old Clemson
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really?


You honestly don't follow our team or cfb that much do you lol.


I Bleed Garnet
South Carolina Fan
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Member since Jul 2011
48300 posts

re: Looks like that shine is wearing off on Poor Little Old Clemson
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You honestly don't follow our team or cfb that much do you lol.

I’m a novice CFB fan
But that’s just awful for our program
There recruiting better then ours?


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TaterMashinCock
South Carolina Fan
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Member since Aug 2019
111 posts

re: Looks like that shine is wearing off on Poor Little Old Clemson
I think Chadwell would have given us a better chance starting off. He atleast has a setup to bring along, not develop from scratch. I don't know enough about him to know if he's just a younger Gus or some true savant that puts together whatever works to win. I would have taken either and at minimum a few good years to look forward too.

Unfortunately we didn't go that route, and now we have Beamer, a question mark, who has surrounded himself with even bigger question marks. There's no way I can say I'm excited for the unquestioned success coming our way, regardless how I felt about the hire initially. Every move Beamer has made since getting the job has been suspect to downright embarrassing. I assume he has some vision he sold the decision makers on, but whatever it was he needs to clean it up and try to look like he's in control of the situation. Otherwise this is going to get downright ugly, for who knows how long.


SOSFAN
South Carolina Fan
Blythewood
Member since Jun 2018
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re: Looks like that shine is wearing off on Poor Little Old Clemson
I'm glad we didn't get Chadwell. It would have been Paul Johnson 2.0
The option would have helped maybe the 1st year then the SEC speed would kill it and we would have georgia tech style recruiting.


TaterMashinCock
South Carolina Fan
Columbia
Member since Aug 2019
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re: Looks like that shine is wearing off on Poor Little Old Clemson
I'm not sure he would have been a long term answer, but Beamer probably won't be either. I do think given our roster we could have had a better immediate W-L result with Chadwell. And if either was gonna be gone in 3-5 years anyways, I'd take the early wins.


SOSFAN
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Blythewood
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re: Looks like that shine is wearing off on Poor Little Old Clemson
I honestly hope Beamer is the long time answer because if he isn't then the program will be even further behind.


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HalfCocked
South Carolina Fan
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re: Looks like that shine is wearing off on Poor Little Old Clemson
He's worked with less everywhere he's been. Many forget the job he did literally overnight with shite arse Charleston Southern.


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