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Posted on 8/28/20 at 1:33 pm to Rip Torn
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Covid is 3-4 times more deadly than the flu. You are correct it isn’t debatable
Here is a link from the Cato Institue. Granted it si from March but it does a great explanation why, from a percentage standpoint, the per capita (meaning the number of deathes compared to the number of infectiosn) are overblown. While the article is from march, the science and theory behind it is still sound as the way people are infected and the way deaths and infection rates are counted has not changed.
Cato institute
Assuming the number of people who have reportedly died from COVID-19 is reasonably accurate, then the percentage of infected people who die from the disease (the death rate) must surely have been much lower than the 2–3% estimates commonly reported. That is because the number of infected people is much larger than the number tested and reported.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 1:35 pm to CollegeFBRules
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What?!
Well, what kind of test is done for the flu? I go to the doctor give him symptoms and he makes a diagnosis. I have never been given a test for the flu. However, if you have been tested I will bow to your statement.
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I would say that wholesale testing has not been done for the flu like it has for covid.
ETAA
I do see where there are tests, but they certainly are not done at the level of covid.
This post was edited on 8/28/20 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 8/28/20 at 1:36 pm to BluegrassBelle
They’re not playing. The presidents make this call. This is a coaches meeting. It’s all for show.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 1:42 pm to DawgsLife
So no link?
There's plenty of doubt.
I'm pretty sure the opposite is true.
He did, it would be both groundbreaking and controversial if true.
I'm not saying the effects of the pandemic have not been exaggerated, but to suggest that it it's less than the common flu is a bit of a reach.
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Well, there is no doubt that the mortality rate is higher with the flu.
There's plenty of doubt.
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Pretty sure no medical person would disagree with that.
I'm pretty sure the opposite is true.
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He did not say anything that is groundbreaking or controversial.
He did, it would be both groundbreaking and controversial if true.
I'm not saying the effects of the pandemic have not been exaggerated, but to suggest that it it's less than the common flu is a bit of a reach.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 1:47 pm to Rip Torn
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You do realize far more people have been tested for Covid than are ever tested for the flu and it’s not even close? You also realize there are mild cases of the seasonal flu that are never tested that aren’t tabulated into seasonal flu estimates? Even with asymptomatic estimates, Covid is 3-4 times more deadly than the flu. You are correct it isn’t debatable
Here we go:
In fact, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimated in May that the coronavirus kills about 0.26 percent of the people it infects, about 1 in 400 people. New estimates from Sweden suggest that only 1 in 10,000 people under 50 will die from the virus, compared to 1 in 14 of people over 80 and 1 in 6 of those over 90.
CDC Statistics on Covid
Posted on 8/28/20 at 1:53 pm to cyarrr
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So no link?
I just posted two. one quoting the CDC.
quote:Argue with the CDC, then, not me.
I'm pretty sure the opposite is true.
quote:Again. Argue with the CDC.
He did, it would be both groundbreaking and controversial if true.
quote:Maybe you missed all of my post. Again....Covid will affect more people because there is no Covid season, as such. Flue season last sometime around December until early March or so. Covid infects easier and faster, but death rates among those 20 and below are extremely low. The CDC said that total deaths was somewhere around extremely low all around and much lower for young people.
I'm not saying the effects of the pandemic have not been exaggerated, but to suggest that it it's less than the common flu is a bit of a reach.
Yes. Covid will affect more people, but for people 20 and below it will probably have a lesser affect than the flu....or be less dangerous.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 1:54 pm to DawgsLife
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Now....I will say covid will probably kill more people in the long run
Probably? Hasn't that already happened?
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The COVID-19 situation is changing rapidly. Since this disease is caused by a new virus, people do not have immunity to it, and a vaccine may be many months away. Doctors and scientists are working to estimate the mortality rate of COVID-19, but at present, it is thought to be substantially higher than that of most strains of the flu.
From John Hopkins Medicine
Posted on 8/28/20 at 2:00 pm to rockiee
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Probably? Hasn't that already happened?
If you want to count the short season of flu that we have come out of....I really don't know. And are you talking United States or world wide? Lets talk apples to apples when we compare numbers of deaths. I honestly don't know, nor do I particularly care. I am merely showing that the numbers of deaths for covid are greatly exaggerated according to the CDC....and the numbers start to go WAY down when you narrow the focus to people 20 years old and under. (The common age for college football players)
Have you gt a link the John-Hopkins article? I would like to see a few things, like how they came to their conclusion, when it was written and if there are more recent studies done.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 2:07 pm to DawgsLife
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If you want to count the short season of flu that we have come out of....I really don't know. And are you talking United States or world wide?
From what I'm reading from it doesn't matter, both are higher for covid.
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and the numbers start to go WAY down when you narrow the focus to people 20 years old and under. (The common age for college football players)
I don't disagree with that. I just saw your overall point about the deaths as a whole. Im sure that the flu probably is just as bad if not worst than covid for young people.
John Hopkins
Not sure when originally written but the part I linked was updated for today
This post was edited on 8/28/20 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 8/28/20 at 2:13 pm to rockiee
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From what I'm reading from it doesn't matter, both are higher for covid.
Well, it really does matter, because the flu season lasts from December until march, a 4 month period of time while Covid can spread 12 months out of the year.
Unless I am misunderstanding what you are saying. Again, I am not arguing that infection rates are higher for the flu. I am arguing that death rates for Covid have been greatly exaggerated as evidenced by the CDC report.
quote:I apologize. I was being way too vague. I was mainly arguing from the perspective of the college football season. I should have been more clear.
I don't disagree with that. I just saw your overall point about the deaths as a whole. Im sure that the flu probably is just as bad if not worst than covid for young people.
Thanks for the link. I was not trying to be a jerk. I just want to stay informed and reading articles such as the one you provided will give me more information and a wider base of knowledge.
I'll take a few minutes and read your article.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 2:19 pm to DawgsLife
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Here we go:
The article that you cited stated that the death rate is significantly higher than the flu.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 2:20 pm to DawgsLife
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Well, it really does matter, because the flu season lasts from December until march, a 4 month period of time while Covid can spread 12 months out of the year.
I'm saying it doesn't matter if you are comparing worldwide numbers vs USA numbers, both will show higher than the flu.
In regards to the flu, the articles says this when talking bout the US
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In the U.S., from Oct. 1, 2019 – Apr. 4, 2020, the CDC estimates that 24,000 to 62,000 people died from the flu. (The CDC does not know the exact number because the flu is not a reportable disease in most parts of the U.S.)
Basically 6 months, we are right around that for covid and clearly have higher death numbers even if you include exaggerated numbers unless you think close to half the deaths are wrong
And yes I'm just looking at total deaths as a raw number so thats all I meant, sorry if you are talking about something else
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I was not trying to be a jerk. I just want to stay informed and reading articles such as the one you provided will give me more information and a wider base of knowledge.
I didn't take it that way and feel the same way regarding info. I'm always ok with learning something new
Posted on 8/28/20 at 2:24 pm to rockiee
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Not sure when originally written but the part I linked was updated for today
That's not clear. I guess my question would be was the entire article read through and updated again, or just a small fact here and there? No way of knowing, but you would THINK the whole thing was updated to current knowledge.
One thing I noticed, though about their statistics for the flu and covid is this:
COVID-19: There have been approximately 832,419 deaths reported worldwide. In the U.S, 180,857 people have died of COVID-19, as of August 28, 2020.*
Flu: The World Health Organization estimates that 290,000 to 650,000 people die of flu-related causes every year worldwide.
When you consider that the flu generally has it's heyday over a period of 4 months, and the Coronavirus has been around for 6 or so, the numbers are startlingly similar. take 2 months of Covid deaths away from the statistics and the numbers change dramatically.
It never ceases to amaze me how so much contradictory information gets released on an almost daily basis.
I have heard:
Wear masks
Masks can be harmful to the wearer over a period of time
Masks do not protect the wearer, only from spreading covid
You only need to wear masks if you are caring for someone with covid
That is just a small snapshot of stuff I have heard in the last month or two by various "medical professionals".
It is getting harder and harder to know what to believe and what to disregard.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 2:36 pm to rockiee
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I'm saying it doesn't matter if you are comparing worldwide numbers vs USA numbers, both will show higher than the flu.
Yeah. It hit me after I entered my comment. My apologies.
quote:That is what makes this whole comparison stuff so difficult. It would be my guess that a ton of people get the flu and don't even go to the doctor. They go to bed and wait it out, which would actually strengthen your argument.
the flu is not a reportable disease in most parts of the U.S.)
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Basically 6 months, we are right around that for covid and clearly have higher death numbers even if you include exaggerated numbers unless you think close to half the deaths are wrong
Again from the CDC....flu season is considered October thru whenever, but the peak month is December and January, so most of the activity is only two months.
LINK It does say that activity can last as late as May, but typically two months is the peak period. Corona has no peak months, that we know about though, so activity has remaind strong for 6 months. (That we know of)
Personally i kind of wonder how many people might have gone to the doctor with flu like symptoms and was diagnosed by those symptoms to have the flu, when in fact they actually had Covid. (Which would alos help yoru argument)
Hey, I made a statement, and I should have been clearer. I just am not convinced that covid presents a big barrier to schools playing football or students going to school and classes. They are actually the safest people in the country. With their training and fitness level and dietary help, access to doctors and trainers......I'd rather be playing football than be my age. (I am older than dirt) I have a better chance of getting covid and dying from it than they do.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 2:37 pm to rockiee
I enjoyed talking to you, and I appreciate the insight you gave me. It was nice to have a good, civil conversation on here for a change. i actually learned some stuff, too!
Posted on 8/28/20 at 2:41 pm to DawgsLife
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When you consider that the flu generally has it's heyday over a period of 4 months,
That might be true but the doctors chose to go with 6 months instead so I'm going to trust them for this study. But even if you did what you suggested and used the average for the flu death estimates, covid deaths would still be higher
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It is getting harder and harder to know what to believe and what to disregard.
I don't think so, you just need to take the majority of the studies. You can also find some outlier studies that are not the majority. You can do that with masks and get some easy answers regarding them. The CDC did frick up their messaging regarding masks at the start which I won't deny was very bad.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 2:44 pm to DawgsLife
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a good, civil conversation on here
Posted on 8/28/20 at 2:46 pm to paperwasp
I know, right?
We have now seen Big Foot, the Loch Ness Monster and a unicorn today.
We have now seen Big Foot, the Loch Ness Monster and a unicorn today.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 2:52 pm to DawgsLife
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enjoyed talking to you, and I appreciate the insight you gave me. It was nice to have a good, civil conversation on here for a change. i actually learned some stuff, too!
I would do stuff like this more often but sadly people want to try to fit everyone into a certain box they have designed in their head because they read one thing they don't like or agree with.
Its so much easier to just be a sarcastic ahole on here
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