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re: BOOM! WSU's Response To Players That Support PAC-12 Player's Demands
Posted on 8/5/20 at 4:00 pm to TigerLunatik
Posted on 8/5/20 at 4:00 pm to TigerLunatik
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Do you believe that they will actually sit out if the demands are not met? If they do sit out, where will they go? They gonna go home and workout until the draft?
I agree with much of what you are saying, but you are presuming they have some sort of common sense or powers of deduction. That is not who we are dealing with here.
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 4:03 pm to bigDgator
This doesn't seem to be much different than the Kansas State boycott. Unfortunately for the players, they just don't have a better opportunity and unless they are willing to jeopardize their own future, this whole thing is basically pointless. Hopefully this will bring some awareness to what the athletes are thinking. They do have a right to be heard.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 4:07 pm to Gtmodawg
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Impacting a multi billion $ a year industry is no leverage? NCAA Claims total revenue for all sports in 2018 was nearly $11 billion....and football accounted for more of that $11 billion that the next combined 35 sports programs. Slowing that down is leverage by any definition.
Impacting entities worth billions of dollars is not leverage???? They gonna get paid no matter how badly we like it....they finance the AD and the AD brings in huge donations for things like Laboratories and Libraries....there will be a tremendous amount of pressure brought to bear to satisfy the demands that can be settled...that is the epitome of leverage.
Okay, you typed a lot of words there but you didnt explain how they're going to effect these entities.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 4:31 pm to Gtmodawg
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There is no doubt the PAC 12 players doing this now are not going to fare well but when has the initial attempt to make a fundamental change ever went smoothly? It will not be over with when they are put down, it will merely draw more attention to their agenda.
Is that from Mein Kampf?
Posted on 8/5/20 at 5:13 pm to meansonny
I'm just curious how these players will force the NFL and college football's hand.
PeeJay and Gitmo seem very sure that it will happen but no one tells me how.
PeeJay and Gitmo seem very sure that it will happen but no one tells me how.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 5:32 pm to SidewalkTiger
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PeeJay and Gitmo seem very sure that it will happen but no one tells me how.
The younger generation thinks that they can pitch a tantrum and get their way.
Too many businesses, politicians, and media encourage the behavior by caving in (not surprising considering that parents of these kids probably do the same).
Posted on 8/5/20 at 7:19 pm to SidewalkTiger
Regardless of what happens on the NFL side, there is no way colleges will agree to any form of revenue sharing. They don't have to. Whatever the talent level is, fans are going to watch. That may not be the case at GT, but it's certainly the case at UA, AU, UF, UT, UGA, LSU and others. If there's parity, great. Coaches are paid to develop talent.
There are over a million high school football players. No one is irreplaceable. I'm sick and tired of people not appreciating what they have. I don't watch college sports to be reminded of everything that is wrong in this world. I watch it for the game itself - the history, tradition, the passion, the raw emotions the players, coaches, and fans all feel at the same time. That's why I'll watch my team play and countless others all day long.
There are over a million high school football players. No one is irreplaceable. I'm sick and tired of people not appreciating what they have. I don't watch college sports to be reminded of everything that is wrong in this world. I watch it for the game itself - the history, tradition, the passion, the raw emotions the players, coaches, and fans all feel at the same time. That's why I'll watch my team play and countless others all day long.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 8:03 pm to The Vin Man
I'm just one person and College Football won't miss me if I stop caring about it. Paying the players will ruin the sport for me. I'm not naive. I know there is money is the sport now but officially turning it into a professional sport will kill it for me.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 8:30 pm to The Vin Man
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Regardless of what happens on the NFL side, there is no way colleges will agree to any form of revenue sharing. They don't have to. Whatever the talent level is, fans are going to watch. That may not be the case at GT, but it's certainly the case at UA, AU, UF, UT, UGA, LSU and others. If there's parity, great. Coaches are paid to develop talent.
There are over a million high school football players. No one is irreplaceable. I'm sick and tired of people not appreciating what they have. I don't watch college sports to be reminded of everything that is wrong in this world. I watch it for the game itself - the history, tradition, the passion, the raw emotions the players, coaches, and fans all feel at the same time. That's why I'll watch my team play and countless others all day long.
Great post....spot on!!!!!!
Posted on 8/5/20 at 9:08 pm to TrendingRight
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I'm just one person and College Football won't miss me if I stop caring about it. Paying the players will ruin the sport for me. I'm not naive. I know there is money is the sport now but officially turning it into a professional sport will kill it for me.
Explain how having the players get larger Stipends will kill the sport for you?
If your favorite Team beats a Rival in dramatic last second fashion and the game features great Talent on both sides and the game is thrilling (I mean like Miami vs Nebraska, Jan84 thrilling), then why should you care if the Players got larger Stipends as long as you were entertained
What I'm trying to say is how is a larger Stipend on top of their scholly detracting from what enjoyment you get from your Seat in the Stadium or the Sofa in your Den while watching a CFB Game
Maybe I'm missing something, but how does another person's Financial situation affect whether or not you enjoyed the Game performance they put forth on the field?
Can someone explain how a player getting more money along with his scholly will ruin the Game for a so called Fan?
I can't fathom this mentality, can someone tell me what I'm missing?
This post was edited on 8/5/20 at 9:10 pm
Posted on 8/5/20 at 9:21 pm to The Vin Man
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There are over a million high school football players. No one is irreplaceable.
Out of those million HS Players, The Top300 are the main reason that Saban & Dabo make $9 Million per year, if those 2 big Money HCs were getting Players consistently outside the Top1600 (the non Power5 Recruits), they would both be in a completely different industry, or coaching at a lower level of CFB
No ever said that the players are irreplaceable, but they are more important than you give them credit for, the Coaches know this and TV Execs know this
Posted on 8/5/20 at 9:22 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
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Explain how having the players get larger Stipends will kill the sport for you?
Well thats against federal law so
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Out of those million HS Players, The Top300 are the main reason that Saban & Dabo make $9 Million per year, if those 2 big Money HCs were getting Players consistently outside the Top1600 (the non Power5 Recruits), they would both be in a completely different industry, or coaching at a lower level of CFB
You can cry about this till your blue in the face but where exactly are these "top 300" players going to go?
Even if they did go somewhere, the top schools would just get the next 300 who would be the "new top 300."
A lowering tide lowers all ships.
But I repeat, where else can those players possibly go?
This post was edited on 8/5/20 at 9:24 pm
Posted on 8/5/20 at 9:31 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
quote:Of course you can't fathom this mentality because you are a goddamn idiot.
I can't fathom this mentality, can someone tell me what I'm missing?
After 26 pages of dialogue, you ask for someone to tell you what you're missing.
What a clueless, contrarian moron.
Many of us have explained it to you.
None of us can comprehend it for you.
This post was edited on 8/5/20 at 9:32 pm
Posted on 8/5/20 at 9:34 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Even if they did go somewhere, the top schools would just get the next 300 who would be the "new top 300."
This was my first thought as well.
Those coaches would still be getting the top of the available talent pool.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 9:45 pm to TigerLunatik
This blockhead thinks people wouldnt watch that but I guess he doesnt understand they wouldnt realize what they were missing.
Even though the "top 300" still have no alternative and no one can tell me why one would be created.
Even though the "top 300" still have no alternative and no one can tell me why one would be created.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 9:53 pm to SidewalkTiger
As has been repeated over and over again, us LSU fans sat through a bunch of crap football seasons in the 90s. Then, I watched every second of every game the year Johnny Jones only won 2 conference games. Where college may lose viewers would be from fans outside of the 2 schools playing. For instance, if the football season were to move to the Spring, would people still watch Clemson without Lawrence, Etienne and Ross. Would other fans watch Ohio State without Fields?
Posted on 8/5/20 at 9:58 pm to TigerLunatik
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As has been repeated over and over again, us LSU fans sat through a bunch of crap football seasons in the 90s.
And that was when we sucked.
If the "top 300" left we'd just get the next best guys so we wouldn't necessarily suck.
I doubt there'd even be a noticeable difference in gameplay.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 10:05 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
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Out of those million HS Players, The Top300 are the main reason that Saban & Dabo make $9 Million per year, if those 2 big Money HCs were getting Players consistently outside the Top1600 (the non Power5 Recruits), they would both be in a completely different industry, or coaching at a lower level of CFB
If no one gets the top 300 players, those coaches would still get the best remaining players and there wouldn’t be a noticeable difference. Not sure why you’re pulling 1600 players because 1600 players aren’t getting paid to play minor league football, but the same logic would apply regardless.
This post was edited on 8/5/20 at 10:06 pm
Posted on 8/5/20 at 10:08 pm to SidewalkTiger
I think you would see a dip in play for the first year or 2 until the younger players in CFB were able to catch up. But, shite, the XFL and the Alliance or whatever it was were only 8 teams? When you think about how many NFL rejects would be in this imaginary league, how many spots would really be left for players coming straight out of high school? Then, those leagues folded in their first year. Who in their right mind would gamble giving up their college eligibility on an unproven league?
Posted on 8/5/20 at 10:56 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
I guarantee you that Saban and Dabo would be successful in whatever situation they're put in. There's no doubt that strong recruiting makes a HC's job easier, but what a coach does with a talented player/team is the real difference maker.
Also, in your argument you're assuming that the top 1600 players all bolt to the NFL Dev. league. If the 32 NFL teams have 50 players each, do they simply push out the high school players after year one who need more time to grow and develop so they can make room for the next crop of high school talent? What will the kids do then? Is the Dev League going to include unmotivated redshirt/true freshman student athletes? What will the NFL Players Association say about all of this? Do you think they'll buy into it knowing their jobs are on the line? They're already competing with mature college players each year in the draft.
My point is there is no reason the players, coaches, and TV execs will ever have to worry about it because there's no chance of it happening
Also, in your argument you're assuming that the top 1600 players all bolt to the NFL Dev. league. If the 32 NFL teams have 50 players each, do they simply push out the high school players after year one who need more time to grow and develop so they can make room for the next crop of high school talent? What will the kids do then? Is the Dev League going to include unmotivated redshirt/true freshman student athletes? What will the NFL Players Association say about all of this? Do you think they'll buy into it knowing their jobs are on the line? They're already competing with mature college players each year in the draft.
My point is there is no reason the players, coaches, and TV execs will ever have to worry about it because there's no chance of it happening
This post was edited on 8/5/20 at 11:02 pm
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