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re: University of Alabama system to review all building names, remove Confederate Army plaques

Posted on 6/10/20 at 11:47 am to
Posted by TideWarrior
Asheville/Chapel Hill NC
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 6/10/20 at 11:47 am to
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They were traitors, and them being manipulated by rich people to kill Americans so that the rich people could maintain their cheap labor force does not make them victims.


Ignorance is why we are where we are today.

Many did not have a choice especially in the south. You did not join up you were conscripted into service. My 3rd GGF from East TN fought for the north. His unit was captured by Wheeler in McMinnville TN. They were released to return home. On the way home him and his cousin were conscripted by the another confederate unit and were sent to New Orleans to fight for the south. During the siege they escaped and rejoined the Union army in Kentucky. His unit was later captured and he died in Libby prison in Richmond VA.

It is estimated that up to 20% of those who fought for the south were forced via the draft/conscription into service.Not to mention the majority did not join to join the confederacy but joined that state unit/militias to protect their states. Why so many fought under their state flag not the actual confederate flag which is another misconception.

Another note for those unaware East TN tried to leave TN and join the Union but was unsuccessful. Slavery was not supported in the area that was made up mostly of German, Scotch, and Irish families. Everyone in my family with the exception of one fought for the north during the war. Andrew Johnson is from there as well.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 6/10/20 at 11:59 am to
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Another note for those unaware East TN tried to leave TN and join the Union but was unsuccessful. Slavery was not supported in the area that was made up mostly of German, Scotch, and Irish families. Everyone in my family with the exception of one fought for the north during the war. Andrew Johnson is from there as well.


Free State of Franklin
Posted by Robot Santa
Member since Oct 2009
44400 posts
Posted on 6/10/20 at 12:15 pm to
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Another note for those unaware East TN tried to leave TN and join the Union but was unsuccessful. Slavery was not supported in the area that was made up mostly of German, Scotch, and Irish families. Everyone in my family with the exception of one fought for the north during the war. Andrew Johnson is from there as well.


It also wasn't viable. Too much rocky soil and too many hills with too few large valleys for big farming operations to exist. Same reason the region that became West Virginia wasn't supportive of the Confederacy and broke away in the middle of the war.
Posted by Evolved Simian
Bushwood Country Club
Member since Sep 2010
20619 posts
Posted on 6/10/20 at 11:09 pm to
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Another note for those unaware East TN tried to leave TN and join the Union but was unsuccessful. Slavery was not supported in the area that was made up mostly of German, Scotch, and Irish families. Everyone in my family with the exception of one fought for the north during the war. Andrew Johnson is from there as well.


Johnson may have been loyal to the Union and opposed to slavery, but he was a virulent racist. He spent his entire presidency blocking Republican legislation to grant basic civil rights to freedmen. He dedicated his political career to fighting black citizenship, voting rights, property ownership rights and helping southern states reestablish the same social, political, and legal structure as it had prior to the civil war, except for slavery. Even his own cabinet hated him.
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