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re: University of Alabama system to review all building names, remove Confederate Army plaques

Posted on 6/10/20 at 9:29 am to
Posted by Fells
Member since Jul 2015
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Posted on 6/10/20 at 9:29 am to
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They want and are actively trying to tear down the whole country. Folks in this thread think it is just about civil war era monuments plaques and statues but they are coming after it all. There will be no appeasement


The good ole Slippery Slope Fallacy.

"If they tear down the monuments that we put up, celebrating a bunch of racist traitors who literally killed Americans over the legal right to *own another human being*, they'll tear the whole country down!".

An emotional response with nothing supporting it.

I'm sad that I didn't see this thread earlier, but even more saddened by the content. It's embarrassing. Just because your great-great-great-great grandpappy fought for what he thought was right does not make him a hero. ISIS didn't think they were they bad guys either.

frick the confederacy. They were traitors, and them being manipulated by rich people to kill Americans so that the rich people could maintain their cheap labor force does not make them victims.

When the Union came to Tuscaloosa, the school was literally an enemy military establishment. Burning it to the ground was completely appropriate. frick the assholes who defended it. They do not deserve recognition.

Furthermore, if you don't see how celebrating the confederacy is going to be more and more of a challenge for admissions and our athletic recruiters, then you're fricking blind. Not only is it immoral, it's bad business.
Posted by 14&Counting
Eugene, OR
Member since Jul 2012
37693 posts
Posted on 6/10/20 at 9:36 am to
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When the Union came to Tuscaloosa, the school was literally an enemy military establishment. Burning it to the ground was completely appropriate. frick the assholes who defended it. They do not deserve recognition.


Why don't you take a break from posting on this subject?
Posted by Bobby OG Johnson
Member since Apr 2015
25125 posts
Posted on 6/10/20 at 9:41 am to
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Posted by Robot Santa
Member since Oct 2009
44400 posts
Posted on 6/10/20 at 10:29 am to
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They were traitors, and them being manipulated by rich people to kill Americans so that the rich people could maintain their cheap labor force does not make them victims.


Sure it does. Especially the countless child soldiers who were involved in the Civil War. Most wars throughout history have been fought by the young, poor, and impressionable who were either manipulated by propaganda, if not outright compelled, to fight in it on behalf of the rich and powerful. Would you say some 13 year old boy in the Hitler Youth was the same as a sadistic monster like Himmler? Of course not. No reasonable person would make that comparison even though both were Nazis. There are fanatics involved in every war, but the bulk of the people fighting are young men who have no real choice in the matter. Lumping them all in together is ridiculous.
Posted by TideWarrior
Asheville/Chapel Hill NC
Member since Sep 2009
11841 posts
Posted on 6/10/20 at 11:30 am to
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An emotional response with nothing supporting it.


What was it you were saying?
Posted by TideWarrior
Asheville/Chapel Hill NC
Member since Sep 2009
11841 posts
Posted on 6/10/20 at 11:47 am to
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They were traitors, and them being manipulated by rich people to kill Americans so that the rich people could maintain their cheap labor force does not make them victims.


Ignorance is why we are where we are today.

Many did not have a choice especially in the south. You did not join up you were conscripted into service. My 3rd GGF from East TN fought for the north. His unit was captured by Wheeler in McMinnville TN. They were released to return home. On the way home him and his cousin were conscripted by the another confederate unit and were sent to New Orleans to fight for the south. During the siege they escaped and rejoined the Union army in Kentucky. His unit was later captured and he died in Libby prison in Richmond VA.

It is estimated that up to 20% of those who fought for the south were forced via the draft/conscription into service.Not to mention the majority did not join to join the confederacy but joined that state unit/militias to protect their states. Why so many fought under their state flag not the actual confederate flag which is another misconception.

Another note for those unaware East TN tried to leave TN and join the Union but was unsuccessful. Slavery was not supported in the area that was made up mostly of German, Scotch, and Irish families. Everyone in my family with the exception of one fought for the north during the war. Andrew Johnson is from there as well.
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