re: 2019-20 Men’s Basketball Season thread

Frank just isn’t the guy for this job. Another game where he is getting outcoached.

Kotsar is too soft, 107.5 wants to act like he is a good player, but he is weak in several areas.

Jeez we are terrible at Ft’s

So if Frank continues to get outcoached why do fans here still consider frank to be elite and say “we can’t do better”

People get on Champ for his not so good years, and underwhelming performances. They say things like this is year 4, his guys.etc etc

But it’s year 8 for Frank and aside from one fluke run (that team ended the year 6-6, we deserved to make the tourney, but we weren’t a top 4 team) we have been below average. Seems to me the seat should be getting pretty warm, but I personally continue to hear “who would we get that’s better?” My answer, for our program, several coaches.

I looked it up. He has 1 NCAA and 1 NIT tourney appearance in 8 years. That actually isn’t better than several coaches.

Odom, Felton, Fogler all have atleast 1 NCAA and 1 NIT trip in less years. Fogler and Odom have more.

My point, which you agree with, is Martin isn’t above SC basketball. We shouldn’t be honored he is here and allow him to be our coach forever just because he is Frank Martin.

I think a big part of it (recruiting aside) is the officiating has caught up to Martins style of play. His guys consistently get in foul trouble and have to play a near perfect game on defense to execute his style.

Offensively, his offense is outdated, and doesn’t recruit a big man that can bully down low. We pay for it with post scoring, and also offensive rebounding. Kotsar ain’t it.

you cant put recruiting aside. forget refs, its all about recruiting. frank stinks.

We need to bring back the bagman that got Dozier

The hell was up with them rushing Carolina off the floor at the end? No handshakes, nothing.

41 fouls and 43 turnovers.

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41 fouls and 43 turnovers.

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The turnovers are sloppy. The fouls are signature Frank Martin basketball: play physical, over-reaching defense and ugly down the game. It's intended to bring opponents down to our level, except we practicing doing it, so we should know what we're doing, while other teams lose their focus and get frustrated (see Duke, and really, most every team we played in the NCAAT in 2016-17).

We'll commit a ton of fouls as a result, but the idea is, the other team will also commit a ton of fouls, which disrupts their game-plan and rhythm.

Right now however, we aren't playing defense quite the way Martin wants us to, so we're committing more fouls on average than our opponents are, and far more shooting fouls, so they are taking more FT attempts than we are, and we're not a great FT shooting team this season yet anyways, so we haven't quite taken advantage of that yet.

Hopefully the team comes together and starts gaining confidence in what Coach Martin and the staff wants from them, defensively. Also the TOs hurt us as well, because it counters what our defense tries to do, by giving opponents more chances and putting us on our heels instead of putting them on theirs'....

But as long as we have Coach Martin, our team will play "ugly", physical, fouling basketball. Frank has a method within that madness, apparently.....

We ended both the streaks in baseball and basketball this year; that's a start. It really was an ugly game, but glad we won. Martin needed that one for sure.