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SEC Quarterback Rankings : OAYP
Posted on 7/8/19 at 11:20 am
Posted on 7/8/19 at 11:20 am
2019 SEC QB Rankings : Jim Johnson, Southern Pigskin
Long description of the OAYP formula per Johnson
Interesting look at returners at various positions. Not sure how great a metric it is, but it's at least a more specific way to look at returning starters and units.
1. Tua Tagovailoa (Alabama) (3.15)
2. Jake Fromm (Georgia) (1.90)
3. Nick Starkel (TAMU 2017) (Arkansas) (0.52)
4. Feleipe Franks (Florida) (-0.14)
5. Jake Bentley (South Carolina) (-0.32)
6. Joe Burrow (LSU) (-0.40)
7. Kellen Mond (TAMU) (-0.57)
8. Jarrett Guarantano (VOLS) (-0.59)
9. Terry Wilson (Kentucky) (-0.72)
10. Keytaon Thompson (2017) (MSU) (-0.81)
11. Ben Hicks (SMU) (Arkansas) (-0.97)
12. Kelly Bryant (Clemson 2017) (Missouri) (-1.05)
13. Riley Neal (Ball State) (Vanderbilt) (-1.20)
*Published before Stevens transferred to MSU
Long description of the OAYP formula per Johnson
Interesting look at returners at various positions. Not sure how great a metric it is, but it's at least a more specific way to look at returning starters and units.
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The basic premise is to cross the efficiency measure of the former, but across all positions, with the value principles of the latter -- hopefully as a way of more accurately depicting a given team’s returning production. Returning good players is more valuable than returning only average or subpar players, and not all production is created equal, so this should ideally prove to be more predictive than simply looking at the raw number of returning starters or the percentages of returning production.
1. Tua Tagovailoa (Alabama) (3.15)
2. Jake Fromm (Georgia) (1.90)
3. Nick Starkel (TAMU 2017) (Arkansas) (0.52)
4. Feleipe Franks (Florida) (-0.14)
5. Jake Bentley (South Carolina) (-0.32)
6. Joe Burrow (LSU) (-0.40)
7. Kellen Mond (TAMU) (-0.57)
8. Jarrett Guarantano (VOLS) (-0.59)
9. Terry Wilson (Kentucky) (-0.72)
10. Keytaon Thompson (2017) (MSU) (-0.81)
11. Ben Hicks (SMU) (Arkansas) (-0.97)
12. Kelly Bryant (Clemson 2017) (Missouri) (-1.05)
13. Riley Neal (Ball State) (Vanderbilt) (-1.20)
*Published before Stevens transferred to MSU
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I’ll preface this by stating that the marginal OAYP scores for the SEC quarterbacks are skewed by having two of probably the five best quarterbacks in the entire country at the top. As a result, the other qualifying signal callers’ marginal scores are almost entirely negative. I can all but guarantee that when we look at their marginal ratings against all qualifying returnees at QB that the numbers will go up across the board.
In the meantime, though, there is still value in evaluating quarterbacks against their SEC counterparts, only within the context of the league, given that it is those players against whom they will primarily be competing.
You won’t be surprised at the top, but after that, it gets interesting. We’ll tier them out into ‘superstars’ (marginal OAYP >1), ‘average to above average’ (in the 50th percentile or better), ‘not as good as we thought?’, and potential breakout stars (players that didn’t get enough reps to qualify, but posted high OAYP scores on a smaller sample size).
This post was edited on 7/8/19 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 7/8/19 at 11:22 am to SummerOfGeorge
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6. Joe Burrow (LSU) (-0.40)
7. Kellen Mond (TAMU) (-0.57)
Posted on 7/8/19 at 11:24 am to SummerOfGeorge
I think y'all might be surprised with Riley Neal.
He'll have some talent around him.
He'll have some talent around him.
Posted on 7/8/19 at 11:25 am to Bayou_Tiger_225
I’m surprised that both aren’t ranked higher to be honest
Posted on 7/8/19 at 11:46 am to Old Sarge
Mond did surprisingly well in the first year of a new system - interesting to see his improvement this year. Same goes for Burrow
And Bentley is STILL here? I swear that dude has been at SC forever
And Bentley is STILL here? I swear that dude has been at SC forever
This post was edited on 7/8/19 at 11:47 am
Posted on 7/8/19 at 11:46 am to SummerOfGeorge
* Published before Stevens transferred to MSU.
That slides everybody down one
That slides everybody down one
Posted on 7/8/19 at 11:49 am to SummerOfGeorge
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6. Joe Burrow (LSU) (-0.40)
7. Keller Mond (TANU) (-0.57)
Posted on 7/8/19 at 11:51 am to ColoradoAg
I still like Burrow as a sleeper heisman candidate, if LSU wins 11 he’ll be in New York
Posted on 7/8/19 at 11:59 am to SummerOfGeorge
Maybe worth adding to the OP... not sure why he doesn't go ahead and define the abbreviation precisely in this 2019 article, but it was in the 2018 ranking article:
OAYP -- Opponent adjusted combined net yards per play and points per game
Essentially a modification to the author's original "YP" score, which was just an aggregated yards/play and points/play scoring metric.
Longer explanation: LINK
OAYP -- Opponent adjusted combined net yards per play and points per game
Essentially a modification to the author's original "YP" score, which was just an aggregated yards/play and points/play scoring metric.
Longer explanation: LINK
Posted on 7/8/19 at 12:01 pm to fibonaccisquared
Good find - I'm also still not entirely sure how he specifically gives individual scores to players who don't aggregate stats (offensive linemen, specifically). I scoured the article but couldn't find it.
Posted on 7/8/19 at 12:14 pm to Bayou_Tiger_225
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6. Joe Burrow (LSU) (-0.40)
7. Kellen Mond (TAMU) (-0.57)
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74-72.
Posted on 7/8/19 at 12:25 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Starkel won't even start so get that dude off the list. I don't care what formula you're using...if it puts Starkel in the top 3 then it's a shite formula.
I'd Have Mond at 3, Franks at 4 and Burrow at 5.
I'd Have Mond at 3, Franks at 4 and Burrow at 5.
Posted on 7/8/19 at 12:25 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Like I have said many times, college stats are comparing apples to oranges. The teams do not play the same competition, even in the own league.
Posted on 7/8/19 at 12:29 pm to Irons Puppet
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Like I have said many times, college stats are comparing apples to oranges. The teams do not play the same competition, even in the own league.
Yea we know, thanks for your input.
This is more fun to discuss than whether LSU is gayer than Texas A&M or how much Texas is going to snuggle with LSU, IMHO.
Posted on 7/8/19 at 12:31 pm to CrimsonDynasty
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Starkel won't even start so get that dude off the list.
Wouldn't be surprised if he's starting by midseason. Hicks knows the offense much better but Starkel is much more talented.
Posted on 7/8/19 at 12:33 pm to CrimsonDynasty
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Starkel won't even start so get that dude off the list. I don't care what formula you're using...if it puts Starkel in the top 3 then it's a shite formula.
Starkel was 20th nationally in 2017 in passer rating and averaged 8.7 YPA.
I'd be shocked if he isn't the starter at Arkansas by mid-season once he fully catches up on the offense. He's absolutely a better quarterback than the kid from SMU.
Posted on 7/8/19 at 12:37 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Starkel is legit. I think he has a chance to be the best QB in Arkansas history.
Posted on 7/8/19 at 12:39 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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3. Nick Starkel (TAMU 2017) (Arkansas) (0.52)
7. Kellen Mond (TAMU) (-0.57)
Isn't this conclusive proof that the list is shite?
Posted on 7/8/19 at 1:09 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Joe Burrow could end up being a top 3 QB.
We’re going to be dangerous this year.
We’re going to be dangerous this year.
Posted on 7/8/19 at 1:09 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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3. Nick Starkel
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7. Kellen Mond
How extremely aggie.
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