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re: Georgia fan shares racist comments made by UGA baseball player toward Justin Fields
Posted on 10/4/18 at 12:08 pm to TbirdSpur2010
Posted on 10/4/18 at 12:08 pm to TbirdSpur2010
quote:but that goes to your point that the context matters, not the speaker. If it were delivered in that manner he would have had more black people, especially athletes at UGA coming to his defense
Perhaps not. Which is also silly
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Posted on 10/4/18 at 12:08 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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("a" vs. "er" notwithstanding)
It’s a big difference.
Posted on 10/4/18 at 12:10 pm to Taurus 357
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literally want me to list rap lyrics in which artists are graphically talking about shooting that n***a in the head, n***az killing n***az they don’t understand, it’s the master plan, and just crumblin’ herb. It’s a common slang word in the inner cities, and because it’s been
Thanks for proving my point. Like some others, you dont understand the difference between 2 different words. “a” vs “er”
Posted on 10/4/18 at 12:10 pm to TbirdSpur2010
Never said anything like that, I highlighted the fact that it's offensive and why. The young lady who reported it believed so as well. The kid felt comfortable enough to say it, she was brave enough to report it, and consequences came behind it because people find it offensive.
Posted on 10/4/18 at 12:12 pm to Snoop1911
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it doesn't matter how or where it's used it's offensive
See, this is such a disingenuous line of thought.
If a white person is relating a story in a casual, non-official setting and says "so and so called so and so a n____," is that white person automatically a vile/racist/offensive person? No, that's silly. What about reading a literary work aloud that has the word in it? Nope.
The assertion that if a non-black person says the word FOR ANY REASON, they're automatically racist/offensive, is an intellectually untenable one. That's why context matters. That's why this double standard bullshite needs to stop. It undermines communication.
Posted on 10/4/18 at 12:13 pm to djsdawg
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("a" vs. "er" notwithstanding)
It’s a big difference.
It's semantics, hence my caveat.
Posted on 10/4/18 at 12:14 pm to MontyFranklyn
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that goes to your point that the context matters, not the speaker. If it were delivered in that manner he would have had more black people, especially athletes at UGA coming to his defense
Exactly. Sorry didn't realize that's where you were going with it.
Posted on 10/4/18 at 12:17 pm to Snoop1911
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I highlighted the fact that it's offensive
I'm rebutting your blanket statement, because offensiveness is subjective. Hence why context is of paramount importance.
Posted on 10/4/18 at 12:18 pm to TbirdSpur2010
So you're saying just get over it right?
Posted on 10/4/18 at 12:21 pm to Snoop1911
To be clear, if (as I understand it), the word was used as a pejorative and such intent was clear from delivery of said word, then I have no issue with such sanctions. Context over all at the end of the day.
My issue with her post mainly stems from her "if you are white you cannot say it at all." I don't like blanket statements and double standards when it comes to speech.
My issue with her post mainly stems from her "if you are white you cannot say it at all." I don't like blanket statements and double standards when it comes to speech.
Posted on 10/4/18 at 12:22 pm to Snoop1911
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So you're saying just get over it right?
I don't know how you got "just get over it," from "The assertion that if a non-black person says the word FOR ANY REASON, they're automatically racist/offensive, is an intellectually untenable one. That's why context matters."
I said nothing near even intimating "just get over it." Were you meaning to respond to me with that one or someone else?
This post was edited on 10/4/18 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 10/4/18 at 12:27 pm to Snoop1911
what's up with old people turning Snowflakes into a derogatory term? When I think of snowflakes I think of Blind Melon's rendition of The Pusher. Can't they stop bitching and own up to the world that they created and now are in control of? 22 trillion in debt and growing more rapidly than the previous liberals. Crazy the way all they can do is point fingers and call names.
#NickSaban4President
#NickSaban4President
Posted on 10/4/18 at 12:27 pm to TbirdSpur2010
I'm not refuting context. But if context matters so does setting and a lot of other factors. Some people don't care what context it's used in for them it's unacceptable and offensive.
Due to it's history, people know where and when to use it as well. That's the same as I said earlier with cursing.
Due to it's history, people know where and when to use it as well. That's the same as I said earlier with cursing.
This post was edited on 10/4/18 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 10/4/18 at 12:31 pm to TbirdSpur2010
That was to someone else @TbirdSpur2010 lol
Posted on 10/4/18 at 12:34 pm to Snoop1911
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if context matters so does setting and a lot of other factors.
Granted (although technically "context" does include those factors).
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Some people don't care what context it's used in for them it's unacceptable and offensive.
Yes, that's the line of thought that I'm calling disingenuous.
Posted on 10/4/18 at 12:34 pm to Snoop1911
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That was to someone else @TbirdSpur2010 lol
Ok cool I was in the twilight zone there for a sec
Posted on 10/4/18 at 12:39 pm to Snoop1911
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Also no one is telling you u can't say it. Say it all u want in private but in public people will have a reaction to it. Do u curse in church? No one is saying u can't curse but u respect the people around u and the place where you are so u don't say it in public because people will have a reaction to it.
Reading back through the thread here and this one stood out to me.
If the underlying issue here is that racism is wrong, and use of the N word is an overt acknowledgement of racism, why the shite does it matter if you're saying it publicly or in a smaller crowd? It's still inherently wrong if it's used in the wrong context.
Likening it to cursing in front of a church going crowd (easiest place holder for what was mentioned) is simply disingenuous. The church going crowd doesn't have years of history of having those terms thrown at them in a demeaning or demoralizing way. Are they offended? Sure... Is it equivalent? No.
If I'm hangin with T-bird and I call him my ninja, that's one thing. If I tell another friend to smack that ninja in the head because he said something offensive, we're probably still ok. If I use it in a clearly derogatory context, that's something else entirely. Personally, I don't use it even with some of my longest standing black friends, but my choices don't dictate what others should/shouldn't do. I do think it's fair to say that contextual information is most important for assessing whether it's a problematic usage or not... In short, T-bird has my vote for mayor.
Posted on 10/4/18 at 12:41 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Granted (although technically "context" does include those factors).
Ding ding...
Context : the circumstances that form the setting for an event, statement, or idea, and in terms of which it can be fully understood and assessed.
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Yes, that's the line of thought that I'm calling disingenuous.
Posted on 10/4/18 at 12:48 pm to fibonaccisquared
Too much to breakdown here, but there will always be some things that people don't understand.
This post was edited on 10/4/18 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 10/4/18 at 1:14 pm to Snoop1911
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Too much to breakdown here
Translated... "frick, my comment was dumb"
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there will always be some things that people don't understand.
Like how someone can equate usage of profane language in front of church goers with derogatory racial slurs?
T-bird has been spot on here from his first post. You're the one who decided to come in over the top with ~it's derogatory and white people shouldn't use it at all~... then provided a weird caveat that it's ok to use it privately?
It's not that difficult... don't be a racist a-hole. Period.
If you're saying things privately and thinking them to yourself, what makes that better than the dude who publicly states the same opinion. I'd argue that it's probably a bit worse... at least the dude who states it publicly lets everyone know where he stands... even if it is wrong. Closet racism would seemingly be much worse... making selective hires based on skin color, "it's ok for white girls to date black men, but not my daughter", etc...
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