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A question about the school shooting today...

Posted on 2/14/18 at 6:25 pm
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 2/14/18 at 6:25 pm
At what point do we start holding the parents accountable for the atrocities committed by their shithead children?


There were literally hundreds of warning signs that this a-hole was unhinged and was going to do something horrific. Now at least 17 innocent children are dead because his parents couldn't be bothered to keep an eye on their piece of shite son.



Posted by kywildcatfanone
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Posted on 2/14/18 at 6:56 pm to
You are a different person when not posting on the rant.



Anyhow, been saying this myself for a long time. Parents not participating in their kids lives is a huge issue both generally and specifically in these kinds of events.
You can't just give your kids a table or sit them in front of the TV and call that parenting.

There is no way parents don't see signs of difficulties in these kids and I guess just ignore it.

There has to be some way to get parents to engage in their kids lives.
Posted by MoarKilometers
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Posted on 2/14/18 at 7:12 pm to
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At what point do we start holding the parents accountable for the atrocities committed by their shithead children?

Long before they turn 19 and are beyond responsible for their own actions.
Posted by Agforlife
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Posted on 2/14/18 at 7:12 pm to
I think a lot of this kind of stuff could be avoided if society as a whole would quit making excuses for bad or deviant (for lack of a better word) behavior and start placing personal responsibility before people's feelings.

Posted by kywildcatfanone
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Posted on 2/14/18 at 7:25 pm to
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I think a lot of this kind of stuff could be avoided if society as a whole would quit making excuses for bad or deviant (for lack of a better word) behavior and start placing personal responsibility before people's feelings.




Very well said. My wife is a teacher and teachers can do nothing to discipline kids at any level anymore. I'm not suggesting bringing back paddling or other forms of corporal punishment, but we didn't have things like this happening when I was a kid.

Social media monitoring would be a good start too.
Posted by Kentucker
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Posted on 2/14/18 at 8:33 pm to
Many, many parents are shirking their child-rearing responsibilities and defering to the schools to raise their little darlings. Most households with married parents see both of them working in order to finance the "American Dream."

They simply don't allot the needed time to raise their children. I think the shooter in this tragedy was exhibiting rage towards his surrogate family, the school.
Posted by airfernando
Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 2/14/18 at 10:39 pm to
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Many, many parents are shirking their child-rearing responsibilities and defering to the schools to raise their little darlings.
problem is that the government has control of the kids for half the waking hours during the week. If you add homework, they've got control even more than that.

My kids get on the bus at 6:15 and home at 4:10. They aren't the first ones on or the last one off. My youngest child gets the most homework mon thru Wednesday. Not making excuses, but schools inherently wind of doing most of the parenting bc they have the kids so much.

Public schools are nothing more than glorified daycare centers. Don't tell me about private schools. Very few on this website know private schooling better than I do.
Posted by FinleyStreet
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Posted on 2/14/18 at 10:42 pm to
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Very few on this website know private schooling better than I do.



Uhh okay
Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 2/14/18 at 11:04 pm to
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At what point do we start holding the parents accountable for the atrocities committed by their shithead children?


What do we know about the guy?

He was 19 and kicked out of high school. I wouldn't be surprised if he was kicked out of his house too.

I know a lot of issues with minors fall on the parents. But a dumbass is a dumbass is a dumbass. With this kid being 19, I would wait before blaming the parents.
Posted by OleManDixon
Lexington
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Posted on 2/14/18 at 11:29 pm to
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Many, many parents are shirking their child-rearing responsibilities and defering to the schools to raise their little darlings. Most households with married parents see both of them working in order to finance the "American Dream."


And in nearly every single case the kids will tell you they’d rather have less “stuff” and more time with their parents. Add this particular part of the problem to single parenting and parents who rifle through partners like there’s some sort of merit badge being given out and you have a glut of neglected children. They don’t feel secure, loved or emotionally stable on many levels. It isn’t just the extreme cases of these shooters. There are countless children being brought up without anyone they feel they can depend on no matter what. People can have whatever feelings they want about “traditional values” but stripped down to the basics of what the term means you’ll find a much more stable, joy filled life. I really don’t mean this as a critique of parents as I don’t have any kids. I have no idea the challenges they face. I do, however, have a pretty good direction to point them to. Or more specifically a Book.
Posted by Rockbrc
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Posted on 2/15/18 at 12:09 am to
I think one of his parents died a year or two ago.
Posted by DownSouthJukin
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Posted on 2/15/18 at 3:13 am to
Both of his parents are dead. His father died years ago, and his mother died a couple of years ago.

He was living with a friend whose parent(s) allowed him to skip school at his current high school (for troubled teens) today because he said he didn’t go to school on St. Valentines Day. They also allowed him to have an AR15, as long as he kept it locked up.

He was also reported as having terrible emotional problems.

I wonder what psychtropic drugs he was on. That seems to be the common thread in most, if not all, modern mass shootings.
This post was edited on 2/15/18 at 3:14 am
Posted by SCDawg
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Member since Feb 2016
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Posted on 2/15/18 at 4:49 am to
I agree to some point although I've heard nothing about the parents of the young man it's just mho I think in some cases you can try to raise a kid right and they just turn out to be a bad apple, it's the kids choice on rightand wrong it's the parents job to show them right and wrong .Again I haven't heard anything about the parents if someone would like to enlighten me I just think the kid was a sick frick just my 2 cents
Posted by thomasbrown_2007
Atlanta,Ga
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 2/15/18 at 4:50 am to
He was also reported as having terrible emotional problems. 

I wonder what psychtropic drugs he was on. That seems to be the common thread in most, if not all, modern mass shootings.


We as a society have to stop using this as a excuse. Whenever someone commits a crime, someone has to make it seem they have mental issues. These kids have to be held accountable.
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 2/15/18 at 6:11 am to
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He was living with a friend whose parent(s) allowed him to skip school at his current high school (for troubled teens) today because he said he didn’t go to school on St. Valentines Day. They also allowed him to have an AR15, as long as he kept it locked up.

He was also reported as having terrible emotional problems.


If they are his legal guardian, this fits the definition of negligence like a glove. Does it not?


He's already had be put into a behavioral school, has participated in animal mutilation and posted about it on social media, and was reported as having "terrible emotional problems", yet he's allowed to own lethal weapons in their home?


At no did they think, "maybe we should invest in some trauma counseling or behavioral therapy or at the very least hold off on allowing him to play with guns in our home until we are sure he's not a fricking lunatic"?


I learned how to use firearms when I was 10, but I can guarantee you that if I ever got caught posting morbid shite on the internet or fricked around at school enough to warrant being placed in special ed classes, or threatened ANYONE with a gun, I would have had my guns taken away from me permanently and my stepdad would have kicked my arse from one end of the house to the other. Then he would have called my dad and my uncles to fly down to Sarasota just to repeat the kicking of my arse from one end of the house to the other.


Warning signs were EVERYWHERE with this kid. EVERYWHERE. Same thing with the Columbine shooters, the kid at Virginia tech, Sandy Hook, Dylan Roof, etc.

I weep for the families of the victims, this did not have to happen.

The media is gonna blame guns, or rap music, or Marilyn Manson, or video games, or bullying, but they never take a look at the people who had more power to prevent these tragedies than anyone else besides the shooters themselves, the parents/guardians.

I guarantee if you start holding the parents accountable, and administer harsh enough punishments for negligence, they will start watching their kids like a hawk.
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 2/15/18 at 6:14 am to
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At what point do we start holding the parents accountable for the atrocities committed by their shithead children?

Slippery slope bc this a-hole is 19 but it appears that EVERYONE knew this motherfricker was going to do this eventually and NO ONE did a thing about it.

I think I heard that a teacher had made a complaint awhile back saying he was a threat & still no one did shite.
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 2/15/18 at 6:28 am to
Apparently he and his brother were adopted at a young age by and elderly couple, he was still in high school and living with them. This was preventable.
Posted by thomasbrown_2007
Atlanta,Ga
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 2/15/18 at 6:36 am to
Well said!!!
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
19859 posts
Posted on 2/15/18 at 8:44 am to
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Apparently he and his brother were adopted at a young age by and elderly couple, he was still in high school and living with them.

Simple fact check indicates both adoptive parents as deceased... your solution goes nowhere in this particular case.
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:00 am to
Actually, the kid could have been Baker Act'd years ago.

So yes, guardians are still responsible.
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