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re: Class of 2019 Recruiting MEGATHREAD: That's a Wrap Edition

Posted on 2/17/18 at 4:57 pm to
Posted by Commander Data
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Dec 2016
7289 posts
Posted on 2/17/18 at 4:57 pm to
quote:

Not committed but yes center


Gotcha. I was looking at 247 and saw something that said something like "Bama 100%".
Posted by Tide or Die87
Huntsville, AL
Member since Jan 2012
13017 posts
Posted on 2/17/18 at 5:05 pm to
Those are crystal ball picks
Posted by seanpendleton10
North Myrtle Beach SC
Member since Sep 2017
3312 posts
Posted on 2/17/18 at 5:50 pm to
Wow i thought i was behind lol. Don't always put your faith in those because they can change in minutes but Clay Webb is def considered a BAMA lean
Posted by Tide or Die87
Huntsville, AL
Member since Jan 2012
13017 posts
Posted on 2/17/18 at 6:00 pm to
Huh what you mean behind?
Posted by seanpendleton10
North Myrtle Beach SC
Member since Sep 2017
3312 posts
Posted on 2/17/18 at 6:23 pm to
I didn't know what junior day was and how they do rankings and such until the last few months
Posted by seanpendleton10
North Myrtle Beach SC
Member since Sep 2017
3312 posts
Posted on 2/17/18 at 6:24 pm to
Was not meant towards you or a serious comment.
Posted by Cobrasize
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2013
49682 posts
Posted on 2/17/18 at 6:30 pm to
Funny twitter videos. Man drills his cousin Didn't even land on his back, he landed on his shoulders
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Posted by Tide or Die87
Huntsville, AL
Member since Jan 2012
13017 posts
Posted on 2/17/18 at 6:32 pm to
Oh ok
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
36467 posts
Posted on 2/17/18 at 7:14 pm to
Tide legacy Braxton Barker fulfilling childhood dream with UA pledge (BamaOnLine)


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Alabama didn’t sign a quarterback in its 2018 class. It did, however, accept a preferred walk-on commitment from Spain Park (Ala.) signal caller Braxton Barker.

The son of former UA quarterback Jay Barker, Braxton took an unofficial visit to Tuscaloosa the weekend prior to National Signing Day before making his decision.

“It’s awesome being able to fulfill a childhood dream of mine of playing at the next level,” Barker told BamaOnLine. “Especially being at Alabama where my dad played, it’s pretty awesome. Just following in his footsteps … both my parents went there, my brother is there now, and possibly my sister and younger brother could end up there. Just being where they were and going to the place I grew up watching is pretty cool.”

The Tide legacy’s trip to the Capstone was all he needed to see to make his choice.

“After talking to all the coaches and sitting down with Coach (Nick) Saban, Coach (Brent) Key, and Coach (Dan) Enos, the new quarterback coach, it seemed like that was the best choice to make,” Barker said. “It was pretty clear after the visit that that’s what I wanted to do. They said that I’ll have a good chance to come in and get reps just because of the numbers they have right now.”

Barker gave his thoughts on Alabama’s new assistant in Dan Enos.

“He was awesome,” Barker said. “We talked about the game a lot. He’s definitely really knowledgable. He was really good at Arkansas. He played at Michigan State. He played the position of quarterback and has coached it for a long time, so I know he knows a lot. Some of the different stuff he was talking about, the drills he was talking about, seemed really cool to me. He’s someone I think would be a really good coach for me.”
Posted by Garfield
Kew Gardens
Member since Dec 2011
7785 posts
Posted on 2/17/18 at 9:53 pm to
Didn’t Barker have some non-P5 but D1 offers?

Might have worked out for the best to have missed on QB in 18 if we can capitalize in 19 with that saved scholarship and hit at QB too.
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
36467 posts
Posted on 2/17/18 at 10:36 pm to
It'd be nice to get the grad transfer QB Minshew tho for insurance. I'm gonna do some google research to see if 1-year grad transfers take an initial counter spot from a yearly 25 limit. It doesn't seem like you should have to give up a spot that could be used to sign a 4-year player to take one who has only one year of eligibility. If one of our RS SRs transfers out, dropping us from 85 to 84, it seems only fair that we should be able to take him without taking a yearly 25 limit hit.

ETA: According to NCAA Bylaws (posted below) there is no exception for graduate transfers with only one year of eligibility. They are considered inital counters against the annual limit of 25.
This post was edited on 2/18/18 at 8:44 am
Posted by Garfield
Kew Gardens
Member since Dec 2011
7785 posts
Posted on 2/17/18 at 10:45 pm to
Yeah, that seems like a shitty rule if true. Would mean you could give a scholarship to a walk-on and it not count but a grad transfer would.

Who knows though. If true, I’m guessing we’d be pretty judicious with giving a grad transfer scholarship (may be why we didn’t give the kicker one though he seems to be needed).

Would probably mean we are going to take at most one grad transfer DL.
Posted by TideSaint
Hill Country
Member since Sep 2008
75980 posts
Posted on 2/17/18 at 11:25 pm to
Today is my 38th birthday.

I'm drunk and I love you guys.

Posted by BIGJLAW
Member since Mar 2013
8450 posts
Posted on 2/17/18 at 11:29 pm to
Happy birthday. Hope you don’t have a hangover in the morning.
Posted by Evolved Simian
Bushwood Country Club
Member since Sep 2010
20738 posts
Posted on 2/17/18 at 11:32 pm to
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give a scholarship to a walk-on and it not count


You can't do that either. A walk-on has to be starting his third year or later for a scholarship to not count against the initial 25. Grad transfers only get 1 year so theirs counts. They never make it to that point. The rule is applied pretty equally.
This post was edited on 2/17/18 at 11:39 pm
Posted by Evolved Simian
Bushwood Country Club
Member since Sep 2010
20738 posts
Posted on 2/17/18 at 11:34 pm to
Happy birthday.

quote:

Today is my 38th


We won the NC the year I turned 38. I'm going to wish the same for you.
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
36467 posts
Posted on 2/17/18 at 11:40 pm to
NCAA Bylaws: Signing and Counter Limits

NCAA Bylaws sections concerning FBS signing and counter limits are posted below. The basic 25/85 (initial/total) scholarship limits are fairly common knowledge, but to help clear up some common misconceptions about them, here are six important things to understand:

1) Transfers (all types) do count toward annual signee and initial counter limits. There's nothing in the Bylaws stating that transfers are exempt. Per section 13.9.2.3, both prospective student-athletes and student-athletes (all-inclusive) do count toward the signee limits. 15.02.3 defines "counter" as an individual (all-inclusive) who is on a countable scholarship. 15.02.3.1 defines “initial counter” as a counter (all-inclusive) who is receiving an initial countable scholarship.

2) Non-qualifiers who signed an NLI still count against their original signee spot and then count against the corresponding initial counter spot at that school if/when they enroll there after JUCO.

3) Grayshirts (15.5.6.3.2) — Deferred enrollees (after fall term) may count toward signing and initial counter limits for the next academic year.

4) Blueshirts (15.5.6.3.4) — The signings limit (effective for the 2018 cycle) ends the ability for non-recruited (no OV, no off-campus meeting, no NLI; 15.02.8) players to receive fall scholarships (within the 85 limit) and count toward the next year's initial counters limit because they'll count toward the current academic year's signing limit (post explaining potential blueshirting loophole).

5) Early enrollees (15.5.6.3.5) that are midyear replacements for December or prior academic year graduates may be counted against unused prior cycle signee and initial counter spots. FBS schools may only use the midyear replacement option if they had 85 counters in the fall term.

6) Non-athletic aid (15.5.6.3.7) — A recruited player (OV, off-campus meeting or NLI; 15.02.8) on non-athletic scholarship only counts toward signee and initial/total limits if/when he plays in a game. Exception (15.5.1.2.1) — A recruited player on academic scholarship, after one year with a 3.0/4.0 GPA, may then play and remain a non-counter. Apparently, a non-recruited player on non-athletic aid may play as a non-counter.

Note: A forum search for "NCAA Bylaws" will retrieve some additional explanatory posts.

Helpful articles: Asking for NLI Release - FAQs;
A deep dive inside the NCAA's tweaked 25-man signing limit; Q&A on 25-Signing Cap, Transfers, Walk-ons, more; What is an academic redshirt?; How is academic redshirt certification different than competition certification?
; When College Coaches Can Contact High School Athletes

NCAA Bylaws: (PDF - free download)

13.9.2.3 Limitation on the Number of National Letter of Intent/Offer of Financial Aid Signings. [FBS] For the football bowl subdivision, there shall be an annual limit of 25 on the number of prospective student-athletes who may sign a National Letter of Intent or an institutional offer of financial aid and student-athletes who may sign a financial aid agreement for the first time. (Revised: 4/26/17 effective 8/1/17 for signings that occur on or after 8/1/17)

13.9.2.3.1 Application. [FBS] A prospective student-athlete who signs a National Letter of Intent (NLI) or an institutional offer of financial aid or student-athlete who signs a financial aid agreement that specifies financial aid will be initially provided in the fall term of an academic year shall count toward the annual limit on signings for that academic year. A prospective student-athlete who signs a National Letter of Intent (NLI) or an institutional offer of financial aid or student-athlete who signs a financial aid agreement that specifies financial aid will be initially provided during the second or third term of the academic year may count toward the limit for that academic year or the next academic year. (Revised: 4/26/17 effective 8/1/17 for signings that occur on or after 8/1/17)

15.02.3 Counter. A “counter” is an individual who is receiving institutional financial aid that is countable against the aid limitations in a sport.

15.02.3.1 Initial Counter. An “initial counter” is a counter who is receiving countable financial aid in a sport for the first time. (See Bylaw 15.5.6.3 in football for instances in which the institution is permitted to defer the counting of such financial aid until the following academic year.)

15.02.8 Recruited Student-Athlete. For purpose of Bylaw 15, a recruited student-athlete is a student-athlete who, as a prospective student-athlete: (Adopted: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
(a) Was provided an official visit to the institution’s campus;
(b) Had an arranged, in-person, off-campus encounter with a member of the institution’s coaching staff (including any such encounter with the prospective student-athlete’s parents, relatives or legal guardians); or
(c) Was issued a National Letter of Intent or a written offer of athletically related financial aid by the institution for a regular academic term.

The NCAA Bylaws concerning how players are counted against the 25 initial counters and 85 total counters limits are in the next post.
This post was edited on 1/12/19 at 12:30 am
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
36467 posts
Posted on 2/18/18 at 12:05 am to
NCAA Bylaws:

15.5.6 Football Limitations.

15.5.6.1 Bowl Subdivision Football. [FBS] There shall be an annual limit of 25 on the number of initial counters (per Bylaw 15.02.3.1) and an annual limit of 85 on the total number of counters (including initial counters) in football at each institution. (Revised: 1/10/91 effective 8/1/92, 12/15/06)

15.5.6.3 Initial Counters—Football (Also see Bylaw 15.02.3.1).

15.5.6.3.1 Recruited Student-Athlete Entering in Fall Term, Aided in First Year. [FBS/FCS] A student-athlete recruited (see Bylaw 15.02.8) by the awarding institution who enters in the fall term and receives institutional financial aid (based in any degree on athletics ability) during the first academic year in residence shall be an initial counter for that year in football. Therefore, such aid shall not be awarded if the institution has reached its limit on the number of initial counters prior to the award of institutional financial aid to the student-athlete.(Revised: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)

15.5.6.3.2 Recruited Student-Athlete Entering After Fall Term, Aided in First Year. [FBS/FCS] A student-athlete recruited (per Bylaw 15.02.8) by the awarding institution who enters after the first term of the academic year and immediately receives institutional financial aid (based in any degree on athletics ability) shall be an initial counter for either the current academic year (if the institution’s annual limit has not been reached) or the next academic year. The student-athlete shall be included in the institution’s total counter limit during the academic year in which the aid was first received. (Revised: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)

15.5.6.3.3 Recruited Student-Athlete, Aid Received After First Year. [FBS/FCS] A recruited student-athlete (per Bylaw 15.02.8) (including a student-athlete who was not a qualifier) who first receives athletically related financial aid after the student-athlete’s first academic year in residence shall be an initial counter for that academic year in which the aid is first received, if such aid is received during the fall term. However, such a student athlete who first receives athletically related financial aid in the second or third term of an academic year may be considered an initial counter during the academic year in which aid was first received or the next academic year. In either case, the student-athlete shall be included in the institution’s total counter limit during the academic year in which the aid was first received. (Revised: 1/3/06, 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)

15.5.6.3.4 Nonrecruited Student-Athlete Receiving Institutional Financial Aid. [FBS/FCS] A student-athlete not recruited (per Bylaw 15.02.8) by the institution who receives institutional financial aid (based in any degree on athletics ability) after beginning football practice becomes a counter but need not be counted as an initial counter until the next academic year if the institution has reached its initial limit for the year in question. However, the student-athlete shall be considered in the total counter limit for the academic year in which the aid was first received. (Revised: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)

15.5.6.3.5 Midyear Replacement. [FBS/FCS] A counter who graduates at midyear or who graduates during the previous academic year (including summer) may be replaced by an initial counter, who shall be counted against the initial limit either for the year in which the aid is awarded (if the institution’s annual limit has not been reached) or for the following academic year, or by a student-athlete who was an initial counter in a previous academic year and is returning to the institution after time spent on active duty in the armed services or on an official religious mission. In bowl subdivision football, an institution may use the midyear replacement exception only if it previously has provided financial aid during that academic year to the maximum number of overall counters (85 total counters). In championship subdivision football, an institution may use the midyear replacement exception only if it previously has provided financial aid during that academic year that equals the maximum number of overall equivalencies or overall counters. (Revised: 4/20/99 effective 8/1/99, 6/8/99, 4/26/01 effective 8/1/01, 8/2/05, 12/15/06, 1/14/08 effective 8/1/08, 4/2/10, 1/15/11)

15.5.6.3.6 Aid First Awarded After Second Year. [FBS/FCS] A student-athlete who has been in residence at the certifying institution for at least two academic years may receive athletically related financial aid for the first time without such aid counting as an initial award, provided the aid falls within the overall grant limitation. (Adopted: 1/11/89, Revised: 1/10/90 effective 8/1/90)

15.5.6.3.7 Recruited Student-Athlete, Varsity Competition. [FBS/FCS] In accordance with Bylaw 15.5.1.2, a recruited student-athlete (per Bylaw 15.02.8) receiving institutional financial aid certified as having been granted without regard in any degree to athletics ability becomes an initial counter in the first academic year in which the student-athlete competes on the varsity level. (See Bylaw 15.5.1.2.1.) (Revised: 10/27/05 effective 8/1/06, 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)

15.5.6.3.8 Returning Two-Year Transfer. [FBS/FCS] A student-athlete who previously was an initial counter and who transferred to a two-year college shall not be an initial counter upon return to the original institution.

15.5.6.3.9 Delayed Initial Counter Who Does Not Return to School. [FBS/FCS] A student-athlete who receives countable financial aid but whose status as an initial counter under this bylaw is delayed until the following academic year shall be counted against the initial limit the following academic year, regardless of whether the student-athlete reports for participation or attends the institution in that academic year.

15.5.6.4 Exceptions.

15.5.6.4.1 Voluntary Withdrawal. [FBS/FCS] An institution may replace a counter who voluntarily withdraws from the football team by providing the financial aid to another student who already has enrolled in the institution and is a member of the football squad. For this replacement to occur, the counter must withdraw prior to the first day of classes or before the first game of the season, whichever is earlier, and provide the institution with a signed statement releasing the institution from its obligation to provide institutional financial aid and verifying the voluntary nature of the withdrawal. The institution may immediately (beginning with the fall term) award the financial aid to a student-athlete who has been a member of the team for at least one academic year and has not previously received athletically related financial aid. A student-athlete who has not been a member of the team for at least one academic year may not receive the financial aid during the fall term, but may receive it in a following term (e.g., spring semester, winter quarter). (Revised: 4/28/05 effective 8/1/05)
This post was edited on 7/17/18 at 3:38 pm
Posted by Garfield
Kew Gardens
Member since Dec 2011
7785 posts
Posted on 2/18/18 at 12:09 am to
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You can't do that either. A walk-on has to be starting his third year or later for a scholarship to not count against the initial 25. Grad transfers only get 1 year so theirs counts. They never make it to that point. The rule is applied pretty equally.


You sir are truly an Evolved Simian.

Thanks for the info/education.

Makes sense why we have given several 3rd/4th year walk-ons scholarships over the past few years.

Posted by Garfield
Kew Gardens
Member since Dec 2011
7785 posts
Posted on 2/18/18 at 12:13 am to
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Today is my 38th birthday.


Happy Birthday Brother!!

Good things only.

& Love you too (i’m 5 beers in).
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