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What would your criteria be for the next HC?

Posted on 11/12/17 at 3:14 pm
Posted by DaleDenton
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Posted on 11/12/17 at 3:14 pm
All I've really seen is names thrown out, which is quite boring and honestly is a simplistic argument for who should get the job. Just because a coach has a winning record elsewhere doesn't mean he will be able to win here or be a fit for the program (see: Bert).

My criteria of what would be best for the job:

A younger coach, in the 30-50 year old range of age, basically a coach who could give a decade to the program before hitting retirement age at least.

As much as I don't like the style of play, we need a coach who runs an offensive system that is spread based, majority pass but still involves running backs for the ground game, and utilizes several RPOs in his scheme.

On defense we need a coach who values speed and fundamentals with his system, we can get plenty of undersized LBs and linemen, so the obvious answer to me would be a coach that is blitz happy looking to create turnovers vs trying to keep everything in front of them, bend don't break. Either way we are still going to give up big plays during games due to the amount of talent that can be signed on this side of the ball so in my mind we need a coach who can counter this by creating turnovers during the course of the season.

He must also give a shite about special teams, not talking about FGs only, he needs to care about not giving up a ton of yards on kick offs or punts, he needs to make an effort to have a solid kicker and punter every season.

He needs to be a recruiter, or willing to have recruiters on his staff, he can be a shitty recruiter personally but a micromanager to help his recruiters on the field with development and teaching fundamentals. He can't be a piss poor recruiter and leave this up to his assistants who are piss poor on field coaches, or vice versa he can't be an outstanding recruiter and a piss poor coach or have a staff comprised of these types of coaches.

Basically the coach needs to have the same basic philosophy and system as what is being played in High School in Arkansas, Texas, Oklahoma, Louisiana, and Mississippi. These 5 states should combine to create the majority of his roster, Bert's and Petrino's biggest problem in recruiting is they wasted to many resources trying to recruit outside of these states, sure Arkansas can and will pull a few players from the Carolinas, Georgia, Florida, and Alabama, but you can't rely on those states to fill your roster.

The last two items on my check list, one being obvious, the second will take time to see if it is present to the fanbase, Long should be able to identify this trait during the interview process:

He should understand what it is to be a Razorback.

Petrino didn't, but he had enough instate guys who did on his roster to make up for this, its an anomaly not the norm in that regard, Bert damn sure didn't. His attitude from day one was Arkansas was the same status as Ms. State not a top 25 program historically that it is.

The past two HC's have eroded the only real positive from Nutt's tenure, for all his fault's his kid's in the program understood what it meant to put on that helmet, his teams never quit and gave their all in 95% of the games.

Petrino's teams would quit when outmatched, Bert's team's have a had no fight and no pride when taking the field like Nutt's. We saw this before after Crowe/Ford, it can be restored, it doesn't necessarily have to be a coach with ties to the state or university, he doesn't have to Rah-Rah their way to understanding it, but he must have his teams understand that Arkansas has always been known as a program that doesn't quit, this reputation stretches back before even Broyles arrived, and when you really think about it, that is what pisses you off the most about Bert, his teams have no pride in the helmet and a ton of quit in them...

The last check list that only those who have direct contact with the coach will know, Long should have a peak at during the interview process, He isn't satisfied with success, he sees praise as a toxin entering his program and works harder when it is present.

Saban has this, not many others do, it doesn't necessarily have to be to Saban's extreme level, but the problem that has plagued every HC going back to Broyles is when all the praise for a good job is given, they get comfortable and the program either stalls out or starts to decline.

At this time we see our coaches either become lazy and think that level is "good enough" (Broyles, Hatfield, Ford, Nutt, Bert) or start to do extremely dumb shite off the field thinking the are untouchable (Holtz, Petrino).

I don't really care what the name is, but if the majority of this list is not a "yes", then I do not see how you can expect the program to elevate to a level higher than currently seen.
Posted by cubsfan5150
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Posted on 11/12/17 at 3:36 pm to
Defense and run the ball... That's what I want
Posted by OSqueal
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Posted on 11/12/17 at 3:51 pm to
So, with that being said. Who would be on your list?
Posted by Columbia
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Posted on 11/12/17 at 3:52 pm to
quote:

Defense and run the ball... That's what I want




And all that shite about being a Razorback too
Posted by Pigfeet
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Posted on 11/12/17 at 4:00 pm to
Tl;dr

I will probably approve who our GOBN/BOT picks, Long wont have a say in this coach, he’ll be gone soon enough.
This post was edited on 11/12/17 at 4:01 pm
Posted by CentralLaHog
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 11/12/17 at 4:01 pm to
Aggressive defence.
Posted by Pigfeet
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Posted on 11/12/17 at 4:02 pm to
quote:

Aggressive defence.


I a painted defence Juan tyme
This post was edited on 11/12/17 at 4:03 pm
Posted by Arksulli
Fayetteville
Member since Aug 2014
25223 posts
Posted on 11/12/17 at 4:04 pm to
At this point sole criteria is that our football coach for next season isn't Bielema.

I'm fairly flexible on everything else though it would be nice to have someone with ties to the area.
Posted by CentralLaHog
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2013
32 posts
Posted on 11/12/17 at 4:05 pm to
That's where it gets interesting. It all depends on who they get as a defensive coordinator. I still think we should run a 3-4. But we should never rush 3 lineman. Unless it's like 50 yds to go
Posted by Hawgnsincebirth55
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Member since Sep 2016
16098 posts
Posted on 11/12/17 at 4:14 pm to
Need a spread based offense. Ideally not what frost/malzahn/Kelly run. I don't like the triple option from the gun because it can be stopped. Run the Texas high school spread. Same offense briles ran, same offense Clemson, Iowa State runs. Texas and Oklahoma have elements of it but aren't built around it. I want a spread offense built around big recievers going vertical. Don't confuse what I want with what ole miss and a&m run. They run alot of quick bullshite too. No frick that you need to run alot of 4 wide single back sets where the recievers are spread as far apart as possible the only routes we should run are slants, gos, hitches and screens. When the defense spreads out run it up the gut. That's it. Basic easy to remember and learn and very very potent. You cannot stop a go route to a 6'4 215 pound reciever if it's thrown up effectively and with enough practice just about any qb can throw that ball. Hell look at Iowa State doing it with there backup qb. That is what I want. Oh and an attacking defense. Press and run with alot of blitzes. Take away the short stuff and who cares if the reciever 40 yards downfield is open the qb can't get him the ball if he's got a facemask in his chest. We take away the only pass he has time for.
Posted by Rhames
Member since Apr 2013
1138 posts
Posted on 11/12/17 at 4:16 pm to
To be able to run through the A
Posted by TheCheshireHog
Cashew Chicken Country
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 11/12/17 at 4:17 pm to
All these words you guys are typing and yet the answer to your wish list is obvious. Lane Kiffen. He checks all the boxes including being a guy the rest of the SEC will hate. He’s also a Fayetteville man to boot so the GOBN will be happy.
Posted by Pigfeet
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Posted on 11/12/17 at 4:19 pm to
quote:

Don't confuse what I want with what ole miss and a&m run.


Too late, what happens now?
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
42354 posts
Posted on 11/12/17 at 4:27 pm to
quote:


All these words you guys are typing and yet the answer to your wish list is obvious. Lane Kiffen. He checks all the boxes including being a guy the rest of the SEC will hate. He’s also a Fayetteville man to boot so the GOBN will be happy.



Actually, I think Norvell checks more of the boxes.

He has recruiting ties to Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas and the Memphis metro area (West Tennessee/North Mississippi).

His offense meets the talent in the region that can be brought to Arkansas, while he lets his DC do DC things, I would think you could hire him and pay top money for a DC and still be below Bert's salary... He also has ties to the state, so it would satisfy what you speak of in that regard.

Kiffen would be looking to upgrade from day one, either to a blue blood program or two a NFL team, IMO. I'm also not sure he's mature enough, meaning he has always been quick to blame others for his shortcomings, so I'm not sure his team would have anymore pride or fight in them than Bert's.

You don't have to be a Razorback to know what it means to be a Razorback, if you are morbidly obese or blame your players for your plays not working, you are lacking what it takes to be a Razorback...
Posted by ArHog
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Posted on 11/12/17 at 4:29 pm to
DAMN DALE




tl, dr

WTF Bro?
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
42354 posts
Posted on 11/12/17 at 4:33 pm to
You should and/or present what you are looking for in the next HC.

Point being that is what I believe the program needs, but a "big name" "home run" hire could be named that will fit none of those boxes and ultimately be a colossal failure, see: Bert.
Posted by russellvillehog
Member since Apr 2016
9711 posts
Posted on 11/12/17 at 4:50 pm to
I have posted this numerous times but here we go again.

Spread based attack. Either the urban/mullen power style, or the Texas based spread (This fits us better imo)

Has recruiting connections to Texas and Louisiana

Can develop a qb

I want someone who is tough on thier players and expects perfection

Prefer him to be young and hungry.

I want a blitzing defense that runs press. Take away the easy throws. Make him work under pressure. This bring 3 and wait for him to pick you apart shite is awful.
Posted by ArHog
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Posted on 11/12/17 at 4:57 pm to
Norvell type hire
Posted by Feral
Member since Mar 2012
12457 posts
Posted on 11/12/17 at 5:20 pm to
quote:

He should understand what it is to be a Razorback.

Petrino didn't, but he had enough instate guys who did on his roster to make up for this, its an anomaly not the norm in that regard, Bert damn sure didn't. His attitude from day one was Arkansas was the same status as Ms. State not a top 25 program historically that it is.

The past two HC's have eroded the only real positive from Nutt's tenure, for all his fault's his kid's in the program understood what it meant to put on that helmet, his teams never quit and gave their all in 95% of the games.

Petrino's teams would quit when outmatched, Bert's team's have a had no fight and no pride when taking the field like Nutt's. We saw this before after Crowe/Ford, it can be restored, it doesn't necessarily have to be a coach with ties to the state or university, he doesn't have to Rah-Rah their way to understanding it, but he must have his teams understand that Arkansas has always been known as a program that doesn't quit, this reputation stretches back before even Broyles arrived, and when you really think about it, that is what pisses you off the most about Bert, his teams have no pride in the helmet and a ton of quit in them...


Agree with all of this, especially the bolded text.

I don’t mean that our next coach has to read Orville’s book and memorize it, but someone - a former player, BOT member or both - needs to get in his ear early and impress upon him what our program is, our deep history and tradition, and and what it means to the entire state.

Bert never gave a shite about our history or traditions and acted like we had neither, as evidenced by his opening presser and the way he conducted himself afterward. This was especially apparent with regard to things like his public disdain for playing in Little Rock, and the litany of bullshite social media (#Uncommon, #1-0) and marketing theatrics (throwing the A) that should be relegated to minor league baseball teams. He came in here acting like he was taking a job on the level of Purdue or Vanderbilt, and it shows in his coaching.
This post was edited on 11/12/17 at 5:34 pm
Posted by Pigfeet
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Posted on 11/12/17 at 6:04 pm to
quote:

Point being that is what I believe the program needs, but a "big name" "home run" hire could be named that will fit none of those boxes and ultimately be a colossal failure, see: Bert.


Dale is a slow learner, just now figuring this out.
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