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If we fire BO at years end
Posted on 10/25/17 at 9:56 pm
Posted on 10/25/17 at 9:56 pm
How long are you willing to give the next coach?
What's the acceptable time frame to get where we want to be? What's the acceptable amount of progress to be shown until that point? Are you measuring by wins and losses or what your eyes are telling you?
Let's hear the blueprint.
What's the acceptable time frame to get where we want to be? What's the acceptable amount of progress to be shown until that point? Are you measuring by wins and losses or what your eyes are telling you?
Let's hear the blueprint.
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Posted on 10/25/17 at 10:03 pm to JesusQuintana
It doesn’t matter what anyone says in this thread. You’re going to shite on your own fan base. Just do that instead of posing questions that you don’t care about.
Posted on 10/25/17 at 10:16 pm to the808bass
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t doesn’t matter what anyone says in this thread. You’re going to shite on your own fan base. Just do that instead of posing questions that you don’t care about.
Damn bass that was a solid "burn". Nailed it.
Posted on 10/25/17 at 10:39 pm to JesusQuintana
Depends. If he loses 35-3 to Purdue at home, then not very f-ing long
Posted on 10/25/17 at 10:46 pm to the808bass
I wouldn't be posing the question if I didn't care.
I'd like some specific parameters to take a look at what people view as acceptable.
I'd like some specific parameters to take a look at what people view as acceptable.
Posted on 10/25/17 at 10:56 pm to JesusQuintana
2 years just like BO, unless he shows improvement like Odom is doing in the 2nd half of the season by how the offense has been playing and getting to atleast 5 wins. I don’t want a coach like Butch Jones who barely wins 9 games with superior talent against nearly every team he faces. I want a coach that gets the best out of the athletes on the roster. Odom isn’t doing that. If you can’t recruit at Mizzou like most coaches won’t be able to, you better be able to do what Pinkel did. Either win or can their arse. Mizzou isn’t a bottom feeder and Pinkel proved it.
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Posted on 10/26/17 at 4:37 am to ZOU
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I don’t want a coach like Butch Jones who barely wins 9 games with superior talent against nearly every team he faces.
If I could find a coach who could recruit Top 10 classes to Missouri, I'd take that and hope he improves as a game coach on his second SEC gig. You'd also have the bonus of a roster full of talent for his successor if you have to can his arse.
As to the OP question... Unlike Odom, the new coach will be facing a total rebuild. So more than two years.
Posted on 10/26/17 at 6:15 am to JesusQuintana
Well if he's an offensive genius and we score 7 points a game, about 2 years.
Pretty much the same that has been given to defensive genius Barry Odom and his 30 ppg allowed.
Pretty much the same that has been given to defensive genius Barry Odom and his 30 ppg allowed.
Posted on 10/26/17 at 6:16 am to Mizz-SEC
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If I could find a coach who could recruit Top 10 classes to Missouri, I'd take that and hope
Hope ain't a strategy son
Posted on 10/26/17 at 8:03 am to JesusQuintana
Honestly, all I want is the same on field results that Matt Campbell and Dino Babers are experiencing. I dont expect to be in the SEC championship game every year or 10 wins. But I do want a coach that takes the talent he has and molds a disciplined hard working team. Do that and good things happen no matter what the recruiting rankings are. I believe a good coach can reach that goal in year 2.
So I guess my answer is, by year 2 I want to see a team executing the coaches plan and playing hard. Not so much concerned with W-L record.
So I guess my answer is, by year 2 I want to see a team executing the coaches plan and playing hard. Not so much concerned with W-L record.
Posted on 10/26/17 at 10:01 am to RocketBallz
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If he loses 35-3 to Purdue at home
It was after that game that BO lost the entire fan base. I'll never forget the crowd booing the team like they did that game. Losing by 32 points to Purdue at home. Just...wow.
Posted on 10/26/17 at 4:01 pm to Wtodd
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Hope ain't a strategy son
So you'd rather not have a coach with a track record of being a great recruiter?
Les Miles and Jones are two sides of the same coin. Great recruiters who haven't won enough.
Posted on 10/26/17 at 4:06 pm to Mizz-SEC
Miles and Jones coached at great recruiting schools. The effect of the coaches is not as great as many think.
History, recent success, proximity to players, facilities and support all play a much bigger role.
Nobody is recruiting consistent top 10 classes to Mizzou unless we go the Ole Miss route.
History, recent success, proximity to players, facilities and support all play a much bigger role.
Nobody is recruiting consistent top 10 classes to Mizzou unless we go the Ole Miss route.
Posted on 10/26/17 at 4:21 pm to JesusQuintana
If HCBO can run the table, Florida is probably a loss, he goes to a bowl game. Bowl games give you extra practices which can really help a new coach. But the biggest problem is BO. From what is written about him he is doing too much. If he can "delegate and supervise" he could be a good coach.
I do not respect any Head Coach who does not have a special teams coach. HCGP got lucky and had Jeremy Maclin and Marcus Murphy. We have a 4 Star kicker who has mental/technique problems a special teams coach could probably fix.
I do not respect any Head Coach who does not have a special teams coach. HCGP got lucky and had Jeremy Maclin and Marcus Murphy. We have a 4 Star kicker who has mental/technique problems a special teams coach could probably fix.
Posted on 10/26/17 at 4:23 pm to JesusQuintana
I agree with you but Top 20 is realistic and going 0-fer St. Louis two years running isn't going to cut it.
Call me naive, but I think Mizzou could be a great brand in the SEC with a real closer.
I like that Odom realized getting back into Texas was important, but his failures locally are what's really killing him. Those kids should be his brand buliders, firing up the locals to watch them and the media to cover them. Instead Odom is losing out on the locals and cutting back on local media availablility.
I think his ship has sailed and it's only a matter of time, but I'd love for his successor to be first and foremost an ace recruiter. Bring in the horses, starting with Missouri kids.
Posted on 10/26/17 at 4:24 pm to outlawjoseywales
Over half the coaches in college football don’t have a designated special teams coach.
Once staffs can go from 9 assistants to 10, I think having a special teams coordinator will be more prevalent
Once staffs can go from 9 assistants to 10, I think having a special teams coordinator will be more prevalent
Posted on 10/26/17 at 5:00 pm to Mizz-SEC
I think a coach can have a negative effect on where you recruit. More so the current state of the program.
Your ceiling is pretty much your ceiling though barring some extreme outliers.
We need a very good developer and identifier here to win imo.
Something in the 25-35 range is a reasonable yearly expectation. Beyond that though, once you get past the top 15 or so classes it's a complete crapshoot and the coaches that can identify and develop are the ones that win.
Your ceiling is pretty much your ceiling though barring some extreme outliers.
We need a very good developer and identifier here to win imo.
Something in the 25-35 range is a reasonable yearly expectation. Beyond that though, once you get past the top 15 or so classes it's a complete crapshoot and the coaches that can identify and develop are the ones that win.
Posted on 10/26/17 at 7:52 pm to Mizz-SEC
I don’t think Missouri will ever have consistent top 20 recruiting classes even if Rockne was here. Mizzou is not a name brand when it comes to football royalty. It never has been. Staying in the 25-40 range would be considered very good for us.
You have to realize, that when all these blue blood programs come knocking on our local recruits doors, they get real wide eyed in a hurry. Suddenly they can’t even spell Mizzou. Selling the home program is very difficult no matter what the success level is. Hell, even GP had very difficult times recruiting top 20 classes even after successful campaigns. Lost a lot of top local recruits. The grass always seems greener on the other side when FSU, Bama, Ohio St. and other big time programs reach out to 17 yr old kids.
You have to realize, that when all these blue blood programs come knocking on our local recruits doors, they get real wide eyed in a hurry. Suddenly they can’t even spell Mizzou. Selling the home program is very difficult no matter what the success level is. Hell, even GP had very difficult times recruiting top 20 classes even after successful campaigns. Lost a lot of top local recruits. The grass always seems greener on the other side when FSU, Bama, Ohio St. and other big time programs reach out to 17 yr old kids.
Posted on 10/27/17 at 9:06 am to wubilli
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Over half the coaches in college football don’t have a designated special teams coach
This is true and a huge mistake. Get rid of some of those "quality control " coaches and get a special teams coach. Frank Beamer knew it was so important to coach 1/3 of the game.
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