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Posted on 8/2/17 at 8:36 pm to VolInBavaria
Posted on 8/2/17 at 8:36 pm to VolInBavaria
Why would he do that? I thought he was the favorite to start at LG. He was back at practice Monday.
Posted on 8/2/17 at 8:54 pm to Kraven Moorehed
Yeah I'm not certain, it's primarily speculation at this point. I've not seen any input from any insiders.
Posted on 8/2/17 at 10:44 pm to TRUERockyTop
Posted on 8/3/17 at 12:40 pm to Kraven Moorehed
I actually alluded to it being a player quitting before I edited but didn't want to spread it after it had already been worked out.
Jones is the 4th o-lineman to "quit" the team during camp in the past 2 years.
Jones is the 4th o-lineman to "quit" the team during camp in the past 2 years.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 1:14 pm to volfan30
It's hot and they are big. I can understand why they "quit" in camp.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 2:29 pm to volfan30
I wonder why the trend? Maybe with how they like to rotate them so much?
Posted on 8/3/17 at 2:45 pm to BigOrangeVols
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I wonder why the trend? Maybe with how they like to rotate them so much?
Honestly two things: 1. OL has sucked and 2. because it has sucked there have been position battles and no set spots in camp. Things get heated in that situation with everyone thinking they should playing and everyone trying to earn a job.
Now that OL has a new coach and plenty of talent to choose from guys are gonna fight it out and occasionally get pissed. Once this OL settles more into who they are going to be and spots get more locked down you'll see a lot less of this for numerous reasons.
But any time a unit is that unsettled you'll see stuff like this pop up from time to time.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 2:50 pm to Kraven Moorehed
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Why would he do that? I thought he was the favorite to start at LG. He was back at practice Monday.
You can't overlook Tatum grabbing one of the guard spots. If they're willing to play Smith at Guard then if Tatum is the 5th best they'll put him in too. Jack is in the position where he may wind up being the next best again. That would piss me off too. It's frustrating to be the 6th guy when there's 5 spots.
Posted on 8/4/17 at 7:12 am to Prof
Sounds like Chance Hall is out for the year.
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As of now Chance is scheduled to have surgery on his knee that will take an 8 month recovery. This info comes from the guy in my avatar with Chance. The guy is a close personal friend of Chance and his family from Roanoke, Va. They want this done now so hopefully he can come back and have 2 healthy years left at Tennessee. SIAP but we just got the word like 2 hours ago from the family.
Posted on 8/4/17 at 9:32 am to Vols&Shaft83
Good thing Jack Jones didn't bail, looks like he'll get bumped up. Y'all think they slide Trey Smith over to RT and put JJ in at RG?
Posted on 8/4/17 at 9:45 am to BigOrangeVols
Richmond
Jones
Robertson
Kendrick/Boulware
Smith
Do it, Lyle
Jones
Robertson
Kendrick/Boulware
Smith
Do it, Lyle
Posted on 8/4/17 at 2:02 pm to BigOrangeVols
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Good thing Jack Jones didn't bail, looks like he'll get bumped up. Y'all think they slide Trey Smith over to RT and put JJ in at RG?
Never trust Vol Nation. Came out today that Jack Jones missed practice for a family thing with permission. He never quit. Just an anonymous poster on VN doing what they do.
This post was edited on 8/4/17 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 8/4/17 at 2:05 pm to Prof
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Never trust Vol Nation. Came out today that Jack Jones missed practice for a family thing with permission. He never quit. Just an anonymous poster on VN doing what they do.
He tried to quit just as Thomas, Wiesman and Kendrick did in 2015 and Crowder did mid-season in 2015.
You can believe the spin if you want but Jones and his dad went to Jones on Sunday and tried to get a transfer before they were talked down.
Posted on 8/4/17 at 2:13 pm to David Ricky
Smith will be one of the top 5 guards in the league this year I am willing to bet. Was pretty bad at tackle in the spring. He is a guard all the way at the next level as well and has no desire to play outside. No chance they will significantly weaken 2 positions by moving him to tackle.
Tatum will be starting the GT game at tackle as both Richmond and Kendrick are a little banged up right now and they want to get a look at him.
Boulware/Jones at the guard opposite Smith is the only real battle right now. Obviously Robertson has locked up the center job.
Depending on how Tatum plays in the opener it will either be
Richmond
Jones/Boulware
Robertson
Smith
Kendrick
or
Richmond
Kendrick
Robertson
Smith
Tatum
moving forward.
Tatum will be starting the GT game at tackle as both Richmond and Kendrick are a little banged up right now and they want to get a look at him.
Boulware/Jones at the guard opposite Smith is the only real battle right now. Obviously Robertson has locked up the center job.
Depending on how Tatum plays in the opener it will either be
Richmond
Jones/Boulware
Robertson
Smith
Kendrick
or
Richmond
Kendrick
Robertson
Smith
Tatum
moving forward.
Posted on 8/4/17 at 2:20 pm to Prof
I have said before on this site I have some friendships with guys who cover the team on a daily basis. Play golf with a few of them regularly. Many of these guys are very, very close with some of the position coaches and get a lot of off the record stuff.
Just as an example Don Mahoney spoke with one of the VolQuest guys just about every single day off the record.
You can believe what I bring or not but I promise I would not go through the trouble of making this stuff up.
Just as an example Don Mahoney spoke with one of the VolQuest guys just about every single day off the record.
You can believe what I bring or not but I promise I would not go through the trouble of making this stuff up.
Posted on 8/4/17 at 2:34 pm to volfan30
So what was Jack's problem? Figuring out Smith is going to start at RG?
Everyone makes it out so conspiratorial but a guy quitting for a day is hardly the end of the world. Even if he wants to transfer it's no biggie. I'd miss him out there even if it's just in the rotation but such is life.
Everyone makes it out so conspiratorial but a guy quitting for a day is hardly the end of the world. Even if he wants to transfer it's no biggie. I'd miss him out there even if it's just in the rotation but such is life.
Posted on 8/4/17 at 2:43 pm to Prof
I don't think it's a big deal. Guys get frustrated, especially at o-line and QB where there is no rotation in season.
It was just frustration with Boulware getting some work ahead of him late last week when he feels he is the best option. I think it was the same thing with the handful of guys a couple years ago.
Jones is better than Boulware right now from everything I've heard but at times coaches go with other factors when you are dealing with the borderline guys. Smith, Robertson, Richmond and Kendrick are your clear top 4 guys right now and that leaves Jones/Boulware/Tatum/Thomas in an uncertain spot which is tough for these kids.
Tatum is definitely going to get a shot and I don't think Thomas has much of a shot at all. That leaves Jones/Boulware in a dogfight for the starting LG spot and significant PT going forward depending on how Tatum does at tackle.
It was just frustration with Boulware getting some work ahead of him late last week when he feels he is the best option. I think it was the same thing with the handful of guys a couple years ago.
Jones is better than Boulware right now from everything I've heard but at times coaches go with other factors when you are dealing with the borderline guys. Smith, Robertson, Richmond and Kendrick are your clear top 4 guys right now and that leaves Jones/Boulware/Tatum/Thomas in an uncertain spot which is tough for these kids.
Tatum is definitely going to get a shot and I don't think Thomas has much of a shot at all. That leaves Jones/Boulware in a dogfight for the starting LG spot and significant PT going forward depending on how Tatum does at tackle.
Posted on 8/4/17 at 3:02 pm to volfan30
Thanks for the explanation. That's far more reality driven than anything VN was pushing.
As for Boulware... I think Jones is better or at least was last season. I understand starting Kendrick but he's not my favorite -- really seems that with Smith at RG and Kendrick at RT they're wanting to run behind that side and think those two can work well together.
What I don't understand about LG is why put Boulware beside Richmond with Richmond still having a bit of a learning curve at LT? The only knock I've heard on Jones that might answer that is that he wasn't quite as strong as he needed to be last season.
Tatum needs to see the field more but I have no idea where they put him except in rotation if you have Richmond and Kendrick holding down OT with Smith at RG. You think they're going to give him a shot at LG? I mentioned that upthread that I thought Tatum could snag that spot, especially if they're willing to put Smith at RG, but haven't heard much on it.
As for Boulware... I think Jones is better or at least was last season. I understand starting Kendrick but he's not my favorite -- really seems that with Smith at RG and Kendrick at RT they're wanting to run behind that side and think those two can work well together.
What I don't understand about LG is why put Boulware beside Richmond with Richmond still having a bit of a learning curve at LT? The only knock I've heard on Jones that might answer that is that he wasn't quite as strong as he needed to be last season.
Tatum needs to see the field more but I have no idea where they put him except in rotation if you have Richmond and Kendrick holding down OT with Smith at RG. You think they're going to give him a shot at LG? I mentioned that upthread that I thought Tatum could snag that spot, especially if they're willing to put Smith at RG, but haven't heard much on it.
This post was edited on 8/4/17 at 3:06 pm
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