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re: Dan Wolken: if Kirby doesn't win the East in 17, he's a clown
Posted on 2/27/17 at 10:20 am to Porter Osborne Jr
Posted on 2/27/17 at 10:20 am to Porter Osborne Jr
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Facilities?
Probably the worst facilities in the conference, no real history to speak of, basically zero atmosphere, inconsistent fan support, and no tangible demonstration of a real desire to improve. Basketball players typically don't care about staying in state. They've played travel ball all over the country their whole lives.
I know people don't want to hear that, but that's the reality of the UGA job. That stuff is especially problematic with UGA located on the doorstep of the ACC.
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Posted on 2/27/17 at 10:28 am to Crowknowsbest
I seem to recall that the AD state that Fox would have a long rope due to how broken the program was... what did Florida do differently to become elite in Basketball?
Posted on 2/27/17 at 11:27 am to Crowknowsbest
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Probably the worst facilities
Stegeman isn't great, but the training facilities are top notch. I disagree that Stegeman is an excuse for failure to win a single game in the tournament and typically outright failing to get in. If you want to say that it's why we don't regularly compete with Kentucky/Duke/UNC for the top 10-15 players, fine... But we're not just one step back from them. We're many. Also, Alabama, Miss St, and several others have pretty shitty venues as well.
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basically zero atmosphere
Not sure where this is coming from... it's about on par with other places when the competition is good, and plenty of other SEC programs have less than ideal crowds for games against bottom dweller 200+ RPI programs.
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inconsistent fan support
This is accurate, but again a reflection of the brand of basketball that we play. For big games, the fans show up... then they get let down... it's a shitty self fulfilling prophecy, but the best way to get consistent fan support is to put a consistently quality product on the floor. Fox has taken the team as far as he can in my opinion (and others), and yet 8 years later there are people willing to give him a pass but feel that it's win or gtfo for Kirby in year 2... Just calling a spade a spade.
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no tangible demonstration of a real desire to improve
Not sure what a tangible demonstration would be other than actually stating that regularly missing the tournament is unacceptable and holding a coach accountable.
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Basketball players typically don't care about staying in state
This doesn't seem to be the case for players in Kansas, Indiana, North Carolina, etc... why does it only apply to players from the state of Georgia? It doesn't have to just be in state either... regional is big. Villanova is just a little outside Philly. Their roster is made up primarily of guys from Maryland, Delaware, Pennsylvania, and New Jersey/New York - all bordering states. Butler is more than 50% Indiana/Ohio guys. Baylor's roster is half TX players, then expanding into OK, MO, and LA gets you to 75%. Gonzaga has a good number of guys from the NW (Oregon, Washington, BC) and further still most guys are from "out west" whether it's CA, CO, Montana... basketball recruiting is regional. So yes, being on the doorstep of the ACC is problematic, it is the same for Auburn, Alabama, Florida, South Carolina, etc... all teams that are at present trending more positively than UGA.
This post was edited on 2/27/17 at 11:32 am
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