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So let's talk Mazzone after his first year
Posted on 1/5/17 at 9:25 am
Posted on 1/5/17 at 9:25 am
What are your thoughts on our new OC after his first year?
I felt like we mixed it up more and looked better than previous years under Spav.
With a more consistent down the field passing qb, will his offense get better?
Is it unfair or premature to judge him after this year?
I felt like we mixed it up more and looked better than previous years under Spav.
With a more consistent down the field passing qb, will his offense get better?
Is it unfair or premature to judge him after this year?
Posted on 1/5/17 at 9:35 am to Old Sarge
Overall I think he was fine. Offense was more consistent this year... even with an inconsistent QB. Have to give him credit for utilizing our running backs a lot more this year.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 9:36 am to Old Sarge
He was certainly an upgrade. Frustrating at times but defense and lack of toughness on defense is still our major problem. He was good enough for us to finish 9-3 or 10-2
Posted on 1/5/17 at 10:12 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
I'm not sure how to feel about him. Obviously Trevor Knight is a limited passer, so its hard to get a good read.
It's frustrating that on both sides of the ball we seem to rely on big plays and have no consistency. That to me, says we have players that can make plays but we aren't putting them in a position to succeed on a consistent basis. Our running and passing game production were 100% dependent on explosives, and our defense was dependent on negative plays and turnovers. When we had spells without those, we looked pretty bad across the board.
It's frustrating that on both sides of the ball we seem to rely on big plays and have no consistency. That to me, says we have players that can make plays but we aren't putting them in a position to succeed on a consistent basis. Our running and passing game production were 100% dependent on explosives, and our defense was dependent on negative plays and turnovers. When we had spells without those, we looked pretty bad across the board.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 10:26 am to Nguyening
Yeah, was Trevor holding the offense back, probably, but does Mazzone get a pass for it? I don't know. Next year Mazzone will have a first year starter.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 10:59 am to Nguyening
I agree with you and I'm not saying Mazzone was flawless by any means. I do think our offense was more cohesive this year and he did a decent job cobbling together an identity based on the personnel. Is there a a lot of room for our offense to improve? Absolutely. But it's the other side of the ball where we really need to be asking questions. People can say all they want about HS football in TX and there's certainly merit to that, but we still shouldn't be one of the worst defenses in the country year in year out. I would understand that excuse if we were consistently in the 50-60s overall
I don't want to derail this into a defensive discussion though. I think Mazzone is fine right now and it will be interesting to see what we do next year with so many new people
I don't want to derail this into a defensive discussion though. I think Mazzone is fine right now and it will be interesting to see what we do next year with so many new people
This post was edited on 1/5/17 at 11:00 am
Posted on 1/5/17 at 11:47 am to Old Sarge
The coordinators can only do so much under this head coach.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 11:58 am to Old Sarge
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What are your thoughts on our new OC after his first year?
Start was good.
Finish was terrible.
Overall, it was very average.
Just like everything else under Sumlin.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 11:59 am to CGSC Lobotomy
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The coordinators can only do so much under this head coach.
Names change, but the results stay underwhelming
Posted on 1/5/17 at 12:01 pm to Nguyening
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It's frustrating that on both sides of the ball we seem to rely on big plays and have no consistency. That to me, says we have players that can make plays but we aren't putting them in a position to succeed on a consistent basis.
I lean more towards it being that Trevor was inconstant w/pre snap reads (3rd & 4th on last drive vs KSU is a prime example) and as a passer (aside from those one on one deep balls) while the WRs (mainly RSJ, Speedy, and to a lesser degree Kirk) had some drop issues. Even on many of the completed passes the ball often low, high, behind, and in front of the WR enough that plays didn't get as many yards as they could have. It's hard to be consistent when your offense can't execute the simple short passes at a high clip.
Also, for as good as Trevor was running the ball, starting w/Tennessee he began to miss HUGE opportunities to keep the ball on the read option. Not sure if it was b/c of defenses adjusting to his tendencies or if he was simply trying to keep from taking too many hits but there were many times a 3 yard gain could have been huge plays if he had kept it.
It was concerning that when Hubes played the offense was total trash but considering Knight was brought in at all the staff must have known he wasn't capable of handling the gig (at least w/this o-line).
Really if we can just have a QB who can complete passes somewhere in the low to mid 60% range and can run the ball enough to make defenses account for him the offense should be good enough to win quite a few games. Hopefully, more consistent passing will also lead to more extended drives that can, at the very least, give the defense more rest. That alone should make a huge difference in their late game/late season performance.
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Posted on 1/5/17 at 12:11 pm to Dr RC
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Really if we can just have a QB who can complete passes somewhere in the low to mid 60% range and can run the ball enough to make defenses account for him the offense should be good enough to win quite a few games.
I was going to rebut you with the 2015 season, but Allen didn't even reach 60% completion percentage.
2014
Kenny Hill 66.7%
Kyle Allen 61.5%
Leading Rusher - Tra Carson (581 yards)
2015
Kyle Allen 56.5%
Kyler Murray 59.5%
Jake Hubenak 53.3%
Leading Rusher - Tra Carson (1165 yards)
2016
Trevor Knight 53.3%
Jake Hubenak 58.7%
Leading Rusher - Trayveon Williams (1057 yards)
Keith Ford and Trevor Knight BOTH had more rushing yards in 2016 (669, 614) than our leading rusher in 2014
Posted on 1/5/17 at 12:13 pm to Nguyening
Agree with everything Nguyenning said 100%. Mazzone is an upgrade from spavital, but let's be honest that's not hard to do. We ran the ball more and used the middle of the field on passes (although still not as much as I'd like) and did it with a transfer QB that is just average and a rebuilding offensive line.
Now just because of the two hamstrings I mentioned doesn't mean he gets a pass for us still not having a good 3rd and 1 or 4th and 1 play. It is not that hard to QB sneak for a yard or less. It's incredibly frustrating to see us fail at it once or twice and then abandon it after that. Also the bow game was the first time I saw the run-pass option work, that play should have been trashed in the first half of the season. Also still a few too many screens that we never execute well.
At the end of the day I'd give him a B- knowing he didn't walk into the best situation player wise. He's got plenty of improving to do and I guess we will see what he can do this year.
Now just because of the two hamstrings I mentioned doesn't mean he gets a pass for us still not having a good 3rd and 1 or 4th and 1 play. It is not that hard to QB sneak for a yard or less. It's incredibly frustrating to see us fail at it once or twice and then abandon it after that. Also the bow game was the first time I saw the run-pass option work, that play should have been trashed in the first half of the season. Also still a few too many screens that we never execute well.
At the end of the day I'd give him a B- knowing he didn't walk into the best situation player wise. He's got plenty of improving to do and I guess we will see what he can do this year.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 12:18 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
'14 and '15 were Spav led offenses.
Not sure how you can use those to rebut what I am talking about w/a Mazzone offense.
I'm also not accounting for a potential mental meltdown like Kenny Hill had.
This post was edited on 1/5/17 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 1/5/17 at 12:19 pm to Texas Gentleman
And why for the love of everything good why can't we teach receivers to come back to the ball???
Instead of risky jump balls or over the shoulder catches, why not run out 15 and break back for 5 for an easy 10???? It's was there for the taking with Josh's speed
Instead of risky jump balls or over the shoulder catches, why not run out 15 and break back for 5 for an easy 10???? It's was there for the taking with Josh's speed
Posted on 1/5/17 at 12:35 pm to Dr RC
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Not sure how you can use those to rebut what I am talking about w/a Mazzone offense.
You said completion percentage in the 60's AND a legitimate run threat.
The only year we've had a 1,000 yard rusher and a passer with a better than 60% completion under Sumlin was 2012.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 12:48 pm to Old Sarge
Improved which isn't saying a whole lot, I'd give him a C+ at best. The red zone and 3rd down offense left a lot to be desired ( Redzone- #55 in scores and #65 in TD's and #77 in 3rd down conversions), he owes most of his success to Turner.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 1:46 pm to Old Sarge
"No end zone" Mazzone.
He singlehandedly is the reason we lost to KSU. When the run is working, and there are running lanes, why does he frickING always abandon the run once he is in the red zone? He's just another washed up dumbass that is warming a seat and biding time until Sumlin is gone.
He singlehandedly is the reason we lost to KSU. When the run is working, and there are running lanes, why does he frickING always abandon the run once he is in the red zone? He's just another washed up dumbass that is warming a seat and biding time until Sumlin is gone.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 2:02 pm to Bubbles Up
We gave up 6.7 yards per play to the 83rd best offense in the country. Mazzone was awful in that game but I have a hard time pinning it all on him. We should never be losing defensive battles at the LOS to fricking K State
Posted on 1/5/17 at 5:10 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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You said completion percentage in the 60's AND a legitimate run threat.
When talking about what seems to be needed for a Mazzone offense sure.
Again, I'm not sure why you'd compare a Spav called offense to a Mazzone one. Other than both being spread based they really aren't all that similar at all.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 5:14 pm to Dr RC
The requirements for success you listed are not only valid but indicative and explain a lot regarding our offense over the past 5 years, even with 4 different OC's.
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