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Why do people believe Saban would have built a dynasty if he had stayed at LSU?
Posted on 11/8/16 at 8:32 am
Posted on 11/8/16 at 8:32 am
The numbers don't bear it out.
At LSU, Saban had at least one game every year where he lost by two scores or more. In fact, he had ten losses of two scores or more and seven losses of three scores or more. At Bama, Saban's had four games where he lost by two scores or more and has never lost by three scores.
At LSU, Saban had at least one game every season when his team was held to ten or fewer points. At Bama, his teams have been held to ten or fewer points three times in ten years.
LSU was never ranked #1 in the AP Poll during Saban's entire time at LSU. There wasn't a single week AP voters believed LSU had the best team in the country.
It's Saban's tenth year at Alabama. He has the same number of conference losses at Alabama that he had during his entire time at LSU (12).
It took eight years at Bama for Saban to match his five year loss total at LSU.
These numbers tell me one of two things. Either it's much easier for a coach to win big at Bama or Saban became a much better and improved coach after his two year stint in the NFL. However you look at it, Saban showed no signs of building this incredible uber-dominant program if he had stayed at LSU. At LSU, his teams had a bad game every year where they either fail to show up offensively (not scoring at least ten points) or lost decisively (lost by two or more scores). Saban lost at least two conference games every year at LSU except 2003. Saban lost at least three games every year at LSU except 2003. His teams never even finished in the top 15 in consecutive years. Where is the proof that Saban would have been able to build this dominant program at LSU?
At LSU, Saban had at least one game every year where he lost by two scores or more. In fact, he had ten losses of two scores or more and seven losses of three scores or more. At Bama, Saban's had four games where he lost by two scores or more and has never lost by three scores.
At LSU, Saban had at least one game every season when his team was held to ten or fewer points. At Bama, his teams have been held to ten or fewer points three times in ten years.
LSU was never ranked #1 in the AP Poll during Saban's entire time at LSU. There wasn't a single week AP voters believed LSU had the best team in the country.
It's Saban's tenth year at Alabama. He has the same number of conference losses at Alabama that he had during his entire time at LSU (12).
It took eight years at Bama for Saban to match his five year loss total at LSU.
These numbers tell me one of two things. Either it's much easier for a coach to win big at Bama or Saban became a much better and improved coach after his two year stint in the NFL. However you look at it, Saban showed no signs of building this incredible uber-dominant program if he had stayed at LSU. At LSU, his teams had a bad game every year where they either fail to show up offensively (not scoring at least ten points) or lost decisively (lost by two or more scores). Saban lost at least two conference games every year at LSU except 2003. Saban lost at least three games every year at LSU except 2003. His teams never even finished in the top 15 in consecutive years. Where is the proof that Saban would have been able to build this dominant program at LSU?
Posted on 11/8/16 at 8:33 am to Bench McElroy
Hard to fathom what he would have done with the talent that's been wasted here
Posted on 11/8/16 at 8:35 am to Bench McElroy
I think Nick learned a lot with the Dolphins which has helped him.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 8:35 am to Nissanmaxima
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To long didn't read!
Eaux neaux
Posted on 11/8/16 at 8:37 am to Bench McElroy
He also never had back to back ten win season at LSU and is about to have his 9th consecutive ten win season at Bama.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 8:37 am to Bench McElroy
Are you attempting to tell me that Saban can't build a dynasty anywhere else? Don't be stupid.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 8:39 am to MoarKilometers

To OP - We are the sumtotal of our experiences. I think CNS learned some things after he left LSU (from observation and experience while at Miami) that he brought with him to Bama. I think he could have accomplished much the same at LSU... but NOT exactly the same.
LSU has a strong hold on a rich recruiting pool. I think he could have won multiple championships there had he stayed
Posted on 11/8/16 at 8:40 am to Bench McElroy
its easier to win when the conference and refs are in your back pocket...or he was building LSU to a place they had never been...which one do you think is correct?
Posted on 11/8/16 at 8:41 am to Bench McElroy
Bitch please.
Did lsu win? Bama insecurity and skirts are really exposed.
Is lsu your measuring stick? Your rival?
Do you bring in former nfl alum to practice for all games?

Did lsu win? Bama insecurity and skirts are really exposed.
Is lsu your measuring stick? Your rival?
Do you bring in former nfl alum to practice for all games?

This post was edited on 11/8/16 at 8:44 am
Posted on 11/8/16 at 8:42 am to Bench McElroy
Because he was just starting to establish himself in terms of gaining cache to recruit. LSU started to get Alabama like classes in 03 and 04, but he never got to develop them himself. In 05-07 Miles averaged just 2 losses a season and won a national championship. Saban would have won 2 national championships during that time period (06 &07), and at that point the thing would be rolling similarly to Alabama after 11/12.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 8:43 am to Topwater Trout
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its easier to win when the conference and refs are in your back pocket...
Please explain 2000-2007. If they conference and refs are in Bama's back pocket then how does that 8 year stretch of average occur?
Posted on 11/8/16 at 8:52 am to bamasgot13
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He also never had back to back ten win season at LSU and is about to have his 9th consecutive ten win season at Bama.
You do realize he was only at LSU for 5 years right? He won the championship in 03', would have won it in 07' and who only knows from that point. This is a dumb discussion.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 8:56 am to Bench McElroy
It's silly to say that Saban would have built a dynasty at LSU.
Alabama made Saban great. LSU isn't Alabama.
Alabama made Saban great. LSU isn't Alabama.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 8:56 am to Nissanmaxima
0/10 ... saban would've built a dynasty at any of the top ten programs ... he might not have taken the job, but he would have a dynasty at a school like lsu ...
Posted on 11/8/16 at 8:58 am to Nissanmaxima
This is intended as an Alabama ego stroke and nothing more. They want to think and prove that they are just inherently better than everyone else, not that they literally have had the two greatest coaches of all time run their program for extended periods. The fact of the matter is this, Alabama is no more immune from lulls than any other program similarly situated in terms of natural resources. It depends on who is coaching at that time. Look at UF under Meyer and UF now, for example. Their natural recruiting footprint and financial resources are not at this untouchable exalted status.
Here is where I will give Alabama credit. They have created a culture of demanding and expecting excellence. That's where they gain the advantage over similarly situated schools in terms of natural resources, e.g. Florida, UGA, LSU. The latter schools don't quite demand it as much as Alabama expects it. This is what gets them to go out and hire elite coaches and stymie any lull they may experience.
Here is where I will give Alabama credit. They have created a culture of demanding and expecting excellence. That's where they gain the advantage over similarly situated schools in terms of natural resources, e.g. Florida, UGA, LSU. The latter schools don't quite demand it as much as Alabama expects it. This is what gets them to go out and hire elite coaches and stymie any lull they may experience.
This post was edited on 11/8/16 at 9:00 am
Posted on 11/8/16 at 9:00 am to Bench McElroy
He learned from Miami, alright... he has structured his "organization" much like a professional one. Hiring any decent out of work former head coach as analysts, has more administrative assistant types than ever before, is constantly looking for angles to get an edge (like Belichek), and the one thing he got at Alabama that he never had anywhere else is complete and unfettered control, with unlimited pockets to do whatever his "organization' can dream up.
For example, Alabama + Saban is a great recruiter all by itself, right? Kids just die to play for him and the school, right? Well, Alabama spends ~ $1 Million in recruiting , second only to Tennessee who HAD to ramp theirs up to survive.
As of 2014, the school you think just wakes up and pisses excellence, just because, spends more of it's budget on football than anyone in the country.... because what Saban wants, he gets.
He has pushed Alabama into the modern age of big-business professional football at the college level.... but i do give the school credit for literally spending anything it took to do what he wanted.
Can't wait until the next coach doesn't quite do it that way, and you'll have to come up with some reason why Alabumma can't get it done.
For example, Alabama + Saban is a great recruiter all by itself, right? Kids just die to play for him and the school, right? Well, Alabama spends ~ $1 Million in recruiting , second only to Tennessee who HAD to ramp theirs up to survive.
As of 2014, the school you think just wakes up and pisses excellence, just because, spends more of it's budget on football than anyone in the country.... because what Saban wants, he gets.
He has pushed Alabama into the modern age of big-business professional football at the college level.... but i do give the school credit for literally spending anything it took to do what he wanted.
Can't wait until the next coach doesn't quite do it that way, and you'll have to come up with some reason why Alabumma can't get it done.
This post was edited on 11/8/16 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 11/8/16 at 9:00 am to RollDawgRoll
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Alabama made Saban great
So in 2004 the Browns and in 2007 Alabama gave blank checks to hire a coach that wasn't great? Sure
Posted on 11/8/16 at 9:00 am to bamasgot13
Didn't Alabama football have some sanctions/probations in the early 2000's? I'm sure that was a factor in that "stretch of average" during that time period. I could be wrong, but I remember something about that.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 9:03 am to Bench McElroy
Ok now imagine that he left for Miami had that experience and LSU fired Miles and hired Saban right back. What kind of success do you think he would have had then? The difference between Saban now and then is ambition. He scratched an itch and he has settled down. His mind is not in two different leagues.
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