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Thoughts on new rule change for this season regarding defenseless player
Posted on 7/12/16 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 7/12/16 at 1:41 pm
Quote from Steve Shaw today:
Personally, I hate this and it's going to cost someone big. I already have my issues with teh targeting penalty in general (especially the official statement by Shaw that if there is any doubt, it's targeting), but I think this goes too far. YOu see it MANY times throughout the course of a game where a ballcarrier and a defender are approaching each other, the defender begins his tackle, the ballcarrier slides, and there's some incidental contact. When your'e moving that fast in real time sometimes it's simply not possible to just stop.
I can already see this happening and even with zero malicious intent whatsoever, someone's elbow is going to scrape a ballcarrier's helmet and it's going to be a targeting penalty. I hate this.
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the first one is a sliding ball carrier. So, really the change here is now by rule definition a sliding ball carrier -- and they've got to slide feet first, and the slide starts when they obviously give themselves up. But once they've obviously given themself up, sliding feet first, they become a defenseless player.
What does that mean? Why is that important? Well, even though before it could have been a late hit if he was down, but now because he's defenseless as a
sliding ball carrier, if there's forcible contact to the head or neck area, it now converts to a targeting foul.
The opportunity here for defenders is when you see that player go into a slide, pull up, stay off his head, and hopefully there's a player change of behavior there that helps us. And, again, a player safety-type situation
Personally, I hate this and it's going to cost someone big. I already have my issues with teh targeting penalty in general (especially the official statement by Shaw that if there is any doubt, it's targeting), but I think this goes too far. YOu see it MANY times throughout the course of a game where a ballcarrier and a defender are approaching each other, the defender begins his tackle, the ballcarrier slides, and there's some incidental contact. When your'e moving that fast in real time sometimes it's simply not possible to just stop.
I can already see this happening and even with zero malicious intent whatsoever, someone's elbow is going to scrape a ballcarrier's helmet and it's going to be a targeting penalty. I hate this.
This post was edited on 7/12/16 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 7/12/16 at 1:46 pm to WG_Dawg
It's like holding. It could be called often or rarely - room for subjectivity. Lot of gray area and tough for the officials as well as fans.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 1:50 pm to WG_Dawg
Who's going to be the first player smart enough to start faking slides? It's going to happen sooner or later.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 1:50 pm to WG_Dawg
I would tend to err on the side of caution rather than let questionable stuff not be called and I am fully aware this rule will affect Foster more than just about anyone. I think these rules are attempting to make players stop using there heads, helmets and bodies as missiles and start tackling properly and I am ok with that.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 1:56 pm to WG_Dawg
There are going to be some smart arse dual threat QB's who will learn how to time this right and take a hit from a would-be tackler...in order to get the guy DQ'd. Also, I won't be surprised to here the tv announcer say, "he then faked the slide, but then changed direction." Dual threat QB's might also train how to do that as well to freeze defenders.
This post was edited on 7/12/16 at 2:05 pm
Posted on 7/12/16 at 2:03 pm to WG_Dawg
Is this new? I was watching a replay of a game the other day (can't remember which one) and a player got kicked out for exactly what you describe.
Anyway, absolutely hate the rule. Especially the DQ component.
Anyway, absolutely hate the rule. Especially the DQ component.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 2:20 pm to WG_Dawg
Getting a little tired of the coddling of offensive players.
They know what they're getting in to when they sign up to play. I played in high school. I knew that getting hit in the head probably wasn't the best for my brain. However I did it because I enjoyed the sport and playing with my teammates.
Should spearing and obvious tackles meant to inflict harm on another player's head be punishable? Definitely. However the refs have obviously been instructed to err on the side of the offensive player, which screws over defensive players trying to enjoy probably their last time playing football (since most of them won't be playing in the NFL).
They know what they're getting in to when they sign up to play. I played in high school. I knew that getting hit in the head probably wasn't the best for my brain. However I did it because I enjoyed the sport and playing with my teammates.
Should spearing and obvious tackles meant to inflict harm on another player's head be punishable? Definitely. However the refs have obviously been instructed to err on the side of the offensive player, which screws over defensive players trying to enjoy probably their last time playing football (since most of them won't be playing in the NFL).
Posted on 7/12/16 at 2:29 pm to WG_Dawg
The rule should also be that the runner is considered down at the point where he begins to give himself up. That way there is no room for gaining an extra yard in the process of sliding.
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