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re: Eason already looks like the starter IMO

Posted on 4/19/16 at 5:59 am to
Posted by IT_Dawg
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Posted on 4/19/16 at 5:59 am to
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Numbers dont' always tell the tale


No argument. They don't ALWAYS tell the tale, but they sure so go along way. Every QB gets saved by some drops by DBs, every QB also gets screwed by some dropped passes (he goes 11-1 as a starter if Reggie doesn't drop that one). He also set the NCAA record for completions in a row in a game and completion % in a game. 11 other teams played Carolina and none could do that....shite, how many QBs have played the game and played shitty defenses and no ones ever done that....

I agree, start Eason, but GL wasn't as bad as you all make him out to be. Our D left us in some bad spots and the play calling was not great last year. Chubb getting hurt didn't help matters and our WR corps last year was sub par. The OL was like a leaking damn that burst at times. Last season the guy went 10-2 and woulda been 11-1 if not for Reggie (or possibly Chubb getting hurt). Then he starts against Florida and god knows what happens...
This post was edited on 4/19/16 at 6:04 am
Posted by HinesvilleThrill
Skidaway Island
Member since Sep 2012
3475 posts
Posted on 4/19/16 at 7:54 am to
I haven't read the whole thread, but I think you have to start Lambert at least for the UNC game. He's the know commodity. He won't win us that game but he most likely won't lose us the game either. A true freshman in his first college game has the very real chance of collapse. And it potentially could stunt his growth down the line. What Eason saw in Athens will be a far cray from what he will have after his arse in the Dome. I think he needs to be slowly worked in and start by week 3.
Posted by fibonaccisquared
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Posted on 4/19/16 at 1:24 pm to
We won a good number of those games *in spite of* GL, not because of him. The best you can say is he didn't outright lose games for you. Other than the Carolina game though, you really can't point to games where you can say he would have won them for you either. The pass to Reggie obviously a slight outlier there, but wasn't that just for a tie at that point, rather than an outright lead? I'm not sure based on how that game goes that we end up winning, but for sure a decent argument to be made. The inability to score touchdowns on the road and the abundance of underthrown/behind the receiver 5 yard completions on 3rd and 7 for example though just show me he doesn't have the ability to consistently put the team in a good place offensively. We could do a hell of a lot worse (ie. more turnovers), but I personally believe the upside to Eason outweighs the possible increase in turnovers.

If we say that a turnover is on average worth 4 points to the opposition (Smart's #):
GL was 12 TDs to 2 INTs - 72-8 = 66 points through the air. Or essentially 5.5 points per game. I have a hard time believing that Eason couldn't contribute around the level of Josh Rosen from 2015:
23 TDs to 11 INTs - 138 - 44 = 94
Sack totals for the 2 were similar GL - 11, JR - 15.

Simply put, while 2 INTs is an admirable number, the 12 TDs (with the majority of those coming at home - 10) is an atrocious total. It puts *so* much pressure on your defense to play perfect. If we were still playing football in 1995, those numbers are great. Unfortunately, offenses are just more likely to score. The "magic number" for an offense has shifted from low 20s to 29-33 points or so on average.

Additionally, here was a pretty interesting study on some of the metrics that tend to align with winning football games. While turnovers and field position are included there, they are *less* likely to contribute to wins than 3 factors where Eason should win out - Explosiveness, Efficiency (one of the worst 3rd down teams in football last year I believe), and Effectiveness (essentially scoring TDs in the redzone).

I don't put all of the ineffectiveness on the shoulders of Lambert. Some of that was bad scheme by Schotty, some of it was poor offensive line play, but ultimately what we saw was a QB that looked like a deer in the headlights often, so he short armed throws in the dirt at key points of games (no INT, but no value), got happy feet and just threw it away, and generally managed to make neither good nor "bad" decisions... simply he took the 'live to fight another drive' approach without providing real fire power to ever 'fight'. You can only get by on that for so long unless your defense is elite (and even still, Bama was quite strong last year and gave up a ton of points to Ole Miss for example).

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Then he starts against Florida and god knows what happens...

I feel pretty confident, based on what I saw from that team against the rest of the schedule, that we lose that game regardless. Maybe we don't have the volume of turnovers, but we still allowed Treon Harris and Co. to rack up more yards than they should have. I imagine probably a ~10 point loss there even starting Lambert.
Posted by VADawg
Wherever
Member since Nov 2011
45066 posts
Posted on 4/19/16 at 3:07 pm to
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he goes 11-1 as a starter if Reggie doesn't drop that one


Given how the second half of that game went, we would have needed a 2PC after that TD to have a real chance to win. Our defense disappeared in that game and I don't think they would have magically reappeared in overtime.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 4/20/16 at 12:24 pm to
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GL wasn't as bad as you all make him out to be


Ignoring the many Ints that were dropped, just look at the numbers. Those are black and white, can't be skewed. They are literally what happened. No doubt he played the game of 4 lifetimes against SC, and nobody is taking that away from him. Next week we had a cupcake (southern). AFter that was bama. Here are his stats following the southern game:

bama: 10/24, 86 yards, 0/1
@ut: 15/32, 279 yards, 2/0
mizz: 23/32, 178 yards, 0/1
uk: 6/13, 64 yards, 1/0
@au: 12/17, 97 yards, 0/0
gsu: 16/25, 183 yards, 1/0
@gt: 18/25, 225 yards, 0/0
psu: 10/20, 115 yards, 1/0

Through the heart of the schedule, only twice did he throw for 200 yards. In three of hte games he threw for less than 100 yards. 5 TDs/2 Int over his last 8 games. That is awful.

I'm not going to pile on the guy and say he sucks, I'm just saying he doesn't (from what I see and read) give us the best chance to win games. He is going to be ultra ultra safe, throw for minimal yardage, and be fairly predictable. Ramsey and Eason at least will take some shots and stretch the field.

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Our D left us in some bad spots


In 6 of those 8 games above, the defense gave up 17 points or less. AGainst missouri/auburn/gsu, games that went down to the final end, the defense gave up a grand total of 3 TDs.

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Last season the guy went 10-2 and woulda been 11-1 if not for Reggie


I belive that reggie drop would have only tied the game. And again, it's nice to say he was 10-2 as a starter, but we won games despite our woeful QB play.
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