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re: Ole Miss is a overall better team than Florida
Posted on 10/2/15 at 1:39 pm to Tornado Alley
Posted on 10/2/15 at 1:39 pm to Tornado Alley
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Ah, the transitive property.
Well, my participation in this debate is over, as I'm engaging with people who lack a basic understanding of logic.
" When you've only played one real opponent the entire year -- and needed +5 turnovers, a miracle bounce off of a helmet, a missed penalty (ineligible receiver downfield) and the worst game Alabama has played in years to win by six?
Yeah, your numbers will be pretty stacked. "
Yes, take your Parthian Shot and run away while avoiding the crux.
You didn't play anyone except Bama, and it took your best day against their worst to win by six. This'll look very familiar as you run away from Gainesville.
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Posted on 10/2/15 at 1:45 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
I find it amazing that fans (including Alabama's) are now discounting OM's road win at Alabama at night. Teams just haven't beaten Alabama at home since Saban's arrival. It may end up being one of the biggest wins of the season.
Posted on 10/2/15 at 1:47 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Spin this:
We have each beaten one team with a winning record. We beat Alabama on the road, and y'all beat Kentucky on the road.
Whose victory was better?
This line has been spouted ad nauseam on tRant since our victory in Tuscaloosa. Nonetheless, we never trailed in Tuscaloosa, the entire evening.
Actually, we haven't trailed this entire season.
So, you tell me, doesn't a good football team punch in a touchdown when a favored team fumbles the ball inside their own 20-yard line?
It's a catch 22, from your perspective:
1) Ole Miss doesn't score a touchdown - "lol Ole Miss sucks, Alabama gifted you great field position and you couldn't score a TD"
2) Ole Miss scores a touchdown - "lol the only reason you won was because Alabama gifted you great field position and you scored a TD"
Do you see the logical fallacy in your assertion - circular logic?
Now, I'm going to get back to work.
We have each beaten one team with a winning record. We beat Alabama on the road, and y'all beat Kentucky on the road.
Whose victory was better?
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When you've only played one real opponent the entire year -- and needed +5 turnovers, a miracle bounce off of a helmet, a missed penalty (ineligible receiver downfield) and the worst game Alabama has played in years to win by six?
This line has been spouted ad nauseam on tRant since our victory in Tuscaloosa. Nonetheless, we never trailed in Tuscaloosa, the entire evening.
Actually, we haven't trailed this entire season.
So, you tell me, doesn't a good football team punch in a touchdown when a favored team fumbles the ball inside their own 20-yard line?
It's a catch 22, from your perspective:
1) Ole Miss doesn't score a touchdown - "lol Ole Miss sucks, Alabama gifted you great field position and you couldn't score a TD"
2) Ole Miss scores a touchdown - "lol the only reason you won was because Alabama gifted you great field position and you scored a TD"
Do you see the logical fallacy in your assertion - circular logic?
Now, I'm going to get back to work.
Posted on 10/2/15 at 1:57 pm to dlc83
They've lost four games at home since 2008, including our victory.
Posted on 10/2/15 at 1:58 pm to Tornado Alley
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Actually, we haven't trailed this entire season.
unfortunately we were down 3-0 against Vandy.
Posted on 10/2/15 at 1:58 pm to Tornado Alley
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We have each beaten one team with a winning record. We beat Alabama on the road, and y'all beat Kentucky on the road.
Whose victory was better?
You guys nearly lost to Vanderbilt at home??? You don't remember that time they intercepted it, and not for a horrible offense could have easily made it a 1 point game, or won?
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Actually, we haven't trailed this entire season.
Wrong, you trailed against Vanderbilt.
DISREGARDING WHOLE ARGUMENT AND SHOWING YOU MY arse 'CAUSE YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND FOOTBALL TATER.
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1) Ole Miss doesn't score a touchdown - "lol Ole Miss sucks, Alabama gifted you great field position and you couldn't score a TD"
2) Ole Miss scores a touchdown - "lol the only reason you won was because Alabama gifted you great field position and you scored a TD"
Do you see the logical fallacy in your assertion - circular logic?
This is the second time someone has asserted that I'm using circular logic -- and it's the second time where someone has no clue what it actually is.
You don't think getting the ball inside the Bama 30 - 4 times is significant?
You think that happens every night?
To only win by six is astonishing when you think about how fortunate you have to be to get those kinds of numbers and still have a game by the end.
You're acting like I'm only taking ONE turnover inside the 30 and calling it that way but I'm taking FOUR.
Ole Miss drove the ball one time the entire game. That's not even counting the missed fourth downs Alabama had -- which you can credit to Ole Miss. But those freak accident plays where you pound your chest -- that game should have been won by three possessions -at least-.
4 turnovers inside the 30 and you win by six, come back a week later after Vanderbilt almost beats you and you've got a chip on your shoulder?
Yeah go to work, stop this shite.
Posted on 10/2/15 at 1:58 pm to Tornado Alley
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Actually, we haven't trailed this entire season.
We actually trailed 3-0 vs Vandy
Posted on 10/2/15 at 2:01 pm to adfalcon
Also I'm Lmaoing over people discounting a win vs Bama, on the road, at night.
Posted on 10/2/15 at 2:02 pm to BarberitosDawg
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Florida has the better corch.
Irvin Myers isn't coaching da University of Florida Gata anymore.
Posted on 10/2/15 at 2:07 pm to boXerrumble
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Better QB.
Better RBs.
Better TE.
Better WRs.
Better OL.
Better DL.
Better LBs.
Better Special Teams.
In order- more experienced but by no means better in the long run; not really and finally no, they have one DL who is a beast and might have a slight edge on Bullard (not in say production but stats can be misleading) after that one guy it's all Florida.
Ole Miss has more experience, and and a better top 4 players, but they're shallow and after those 3 to 4 guys (one of whom won't play) the edge swings back to Florida- an opinion backed up by comparing recruiting rankings over the past 4 years.
How shallow is Ole Miss- one injury and they went from being arguably a top 5 team to getting blown out and shut out by possibly the Worst HC in the SEC (one of his two wins in 17 games).
Posted on 10/2/15 at 2:09 pm to montanagator
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they have one DL who is a beast and might have a slight edge on Bullard (not in say production but stats can be misleading) after that one guy it's all Florida.
Posted on 10/2/15 at 2:10 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
We needed 5+ turnovers against Alabama?
I love how turnovers are now discounted as not earned. The secondary didn't play the ball well; the pass rush didn't force a bad throw; the ball wasn't stripped. In the mind of the Rant, we received 5 turnovers cards from the Monopoly Community Chest.
What's not discussed on the Rant is we were up 20 points in Tuscaloosa at night with about 10 minutes to go when Kendarius Webster dropped what would have been yet another turnover. Alabama scored and followed up with an onside kick that happened to bounce 30 yards downfield -- no luck whatsoever -- and followed up with another score.
With all that being said, the game Florida fans should be pointing to is Vanderbilt last week. I have no doubt that this is a winnable game for Florida. We must block better and find ways to pass against a team with much better athletes that Vandy.
I love how turnovers are now discounted as not earned. The secondary didn't play the ball well; the pass rush didn't force a bad throw; the ball wasn't stripped. In the mind of the Rant, we received 5 turnovers cards from the Monopoly Community Chest.
What's not discussed on the Rant is we were up 20 points in Tuscaloosa at night with about 10 minutes to go when Kendarius Webster dropped what would have been yet another turnover. Alabama scored and followed up with an onside kick that happened to bounce 30 yards downfield -- no luck whatsoever -- and followed up with another score.
With all that being said, the game Florida fans should be pointing to is Vanderbilt last week. I have no doubt that this is a winnable game for Florida. We must block better and find ways to pass against a team with much better athletes that Vandy.
This post was edited on 10/2/15 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 10/2/15 at 2:10 pm to DrunkenStuporMan
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they have one DL who is a beast and might have a slight edge on Bullard (not in say production but stats can be misleading) after that one guy it's all Florida.
And I thought Florida wasn't a delusional fanbase...
Posted on 10/2/15 at 2:14 pm to PharmacistReb
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We needed 5+ turnovers against Alabama?
I love how turnovers are now discounted as not earned. The secondary didn't play the ball well; the pass rush didn't force a bad throw; the ball wasn't stripped. In the mind of the Rant, we received 5 turnovers cards from the Monopoly Community Chest.
Did you see the two fumbles on kickoffs that gave you the football within the 30? Well, I think both of those were automatic red zones.
Or is a foot coming in and popping the ball out now all planned and skill? Nah, it was luck, man. The interceptions are a bit different, but they were pretty much giftwrapped. No Bama players were within miles of those throws and they were just easily taken out of the air.
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What's not discussed on the Rant is we were up 20 points in Tuscaloosa at night with about 10 minutes to go when Kendarius Webster dropped what would have been yet another turnover. Alabama scored and followed up with an onside kick that happened to bounce 30 yards downfield -- no luck whatsoever -- and followed up with another score.
One play vs. 8 Turnovers total? If we're counting failed fourth down conversions?
Why on Earth were they even one possession away from beating you?
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With all that being said, the game Florida fans should be pointing to is Vanderbilt last week. I have no doubt that this is a winnable game for Florida. We must block better and find ways to pass against a team with much better athletes that Vandy.
I have been talking about it, but the problem is people always revert back to Alabama -- that was probably one of the worst games played by Bama in a long, long time...
And it was still relatively close to an Ole Miss loss. Bama had the time and they should have been at the very least 3 possessions down after the amazing field position Ole Miss had all night.
Posted on 10/2/15 at 2:17 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Furthermore:
50-yard line: Average starting field position for Ole Miss' eight scoring drives with four beginning at Alabama 31 and in. Alabama's average starting field position on scoring drives was its own 39 with only one beginning inside Ole Miss territory.
Even if it's Alabama, to win by six is incredible.
50-yard line: Average starting field position for Ole Miss' eight scoring drives with four beginning at Alabama 31 and in. Alabama's average starting field position on scoring drives was its own 39 with only one beginning inside Ole Miss territory.
Even if it's Alabama, to win by six is incredible.
Posted on 10/2/15 at 2:19 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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And it was still relatively close to an Ole Miss loss. Bama had the time and they should have been at the very least 3 possessions down after the amazing field position Ole Miss had all night.
Alabama was 3 possessions down. This was the case before Kendarius Webster dropped the interception and before the onside kick that bounced 30 yards into Ole Miss territory.
Get back with me after you know WTF you're talking about and we'll discuss further.
Did you not read the second text block that you quoted? Did you not watch the full game? The more you post, the more I realize I'm discussing a game with someone who just looked at the final numbers on the box score and reviewed game stats.
This post was edited on 10/2/15 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 10/2/15 at 2:24 pm to PharmacistReb
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Did you not read the second text block that you quoted? Did you not watch the full game? The more you post, the more I realize I'm discussing a game with someone who just looked at the final numbers on the box score and reviewed game stats.
I posted the game already from a Youtube link.
Look, take your victories, but don't come in here chest thumping is all I'm saying.
They were all much closer than they should have been -- especially Vanderbilt.
They were three down and came within six, and had a chance to win. That should, at the very least, give some pause.
Especially considering Ole Miss started at the 30 yard line four times, while Bama drove the field to score.
Posted on 10/2/15 at 2:25 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Did you see the two fumbles on kickoffs that gave you the football within the 30? Well, I think both of those were automatic red zones.
I'm sorry. I don't subscribe to the notion that forced fumbles don't count.
If Alabama was Leon Lett'ing its way to the endzone, it's one thing to call it a fluke.
You're grasping for straws. And for what? I think most Ole Miss fans that are logical will agree that Florida can beat us. Most of us are realistic to that fact after seeing us play Vanderbilt.
We'll see what happens tomorrow night.
Posted on 10/2/15 at 2:26 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Alabama would still beat Florida by 3 scores at night in TTown with 5 turnovers.
Posted on 10/2/15 at 2:27 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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but don't come in here chest thumping is all I'm saying.
This thread was started by a Florida fan. And I was the first Rebel to comment and it was deferential to the fact that we could absolutely lose this game.
No idea what you're trying to prove here.
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