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Why is it when discussing great military minds it's never Admirals?
Posted on 9/9/15 at 9:35 pm
Posted on 9/9/15 at 9:35 pm
We always give credit to Ike, Schwartzkopf, Bradley, etc. but people never mention Nimitz, Rickover, Halsley, and others.
Also we never discuss great Air Force leaders either other than LeMay, who is generally forgotten and his tactics are now considered beneath us.
Also we never discuss great Air Force leaders either other than LeMay, who is generally forgotten and his tactics are now considered beneath us.
Posted on 9/9/15 at 9:49 pm to TbirdSpur2010
Usually I'd say good job Toby, but on this one I say really?
You being a veteran I think you'd want to defend Curtis LeMay and the persecuted and forgotten leaders.
:off soapbox:
You being a veteran I think you'd want to defend Curtis LeMay and the persecuted and forgotten leaders.
:off soapbox:
Posted on 9/9/15 at 9:52 pm to sms151t
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You being a veteran I think you'd want to defend Curtis LeMay
Nah, their accomplishments speak for themselves
Plus, you put the A word in the title. It was like a Ginobili pass.
You get credit for the assist
Posted on 9/9/15 at 9:57 pm to TbirdSpur2010
But they have abandoned his doctrine. Which I somewhat agree with, but when a fatwa has been levied and it specifically details they make no discern between uniformed and non uniformed persons. I think it's time to restart the LeMay tactic.
I'm getting sore doing soap box jumps
I still want to know how a 7 foot man fit in a sub?
I'm sure glad they cut down the 5 year commitment though
I'm getting sore doing soap box jumps
I still want to know how a 7 foot man fit in a sub?
I'm sure glad they cut down the 5 year commitment though
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Posted on 9/9/15 at 10:39 pm to sms151t
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when a fatwa has been levied and it specifically details they make no discern between uniformed and non uniformed persons. I think it's time to restart the LeMay tactic.
I don't disagree
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I still want to know how a 7 foot man fit in a sub?
Uncomfortably, I would imagine
Posted on 9/9/15 at 10:41 pm to sms151t
Because people don't like semen, unless they need them.
Posted on 9/9/15 at 11:02 pm to sms151t
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Nimitz, Rickover, Halsley
Posted on 9/10/15 at 7:43 am to Remote Controlled
Halsey acted stupidly
Posted on 9/10/15 at 7:53 am to sms151t
That is a question my wife and I have discussed many times. After 20 years in the Navy, we still haven't come up with an answer. Maybe people pay more attention to land warfare vs sea or air? Who knows. Ego?
Since you mentioned USAF, a great one to talk about is Robin Olds. If you haven't read the book on him, I very strongly suggest it.
LINK
Since you mentioned USAF, a great one to talk about is Robin Olds. If you haven't read the book on him, I very strongly suggest it.
LINK
Posted on 9/10/15 at 7:53 am to sms151t
I suspect it's because naval tactics and strategy are not well understood by most people.
As far as great Air Force generals, I think the carpet bombing doctrine why is an interesting idea for its time. I'd say the effectiveness of it as far as war fighting goes is very very suspect.
As far as great Air Force generals, I think the carpet bombing doctrine why is an interesting idea for its time. I'd say the effectiveness of it as far as war fighting goes is very very suspect.
Posted on 9/10/15 at 8:28 am to cokebottleag
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I think the carpet bombing doctrine why is an interesting idea for its time. I'd say the effectiveness of it as far as war fighting goes is very very suspect.
It is costly and does not really eliminate targets, but it shows a willingness to engage in complete destruction. I think that is effective on a psyche of people. Cut the places and will to live, cut the fight. I also know it can actually solidify a people too.
Posted on 9/10/15 at 8:54 am to sms151t
I always heard about Nimitz and Halsley growing up but my grandad served on the destroyer McNair in World War 2. He was always telling us stories about those great men. I have some great stories about his time served in the South Pacific. They were in the thick of it very often.
Posted on 9/10/15 at 9:01 am to cokebottleag
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naval tactics and strategy are not well understood by most people.
Or appealing. They are to me, but the common man couldn't care less because there's nothing encountered in a lifetime that's relatable..
Posted on 9/10/15 at 9:05 am to sms151t
I had one grandfather that was in the air force and one that was in the navy. I've never heard either of them discuss anything but where they lived during their time in the service. Never a word about tactics or "great minds", but it's also never interested me so I've never asked.
Posted on 9/10/15 at 9:52 am to sms151t
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We always give credit to Ike, Schwartzkopf, Bradley, etc. but people never mention Nimitz, Rickover, Halsley, and others.
Also we never discuss great Air Force leaders either other than LeMay, who is generally forgotten and his tactics are now considered beneath us.
Who is "We?"
Students of history recognize great leaders from every branch of service. The general citizenry recognize the people they see in the media and the 5 minutes of military history they get in school - which understandably focuses on large land operations.
Posted on 9/10/15 at 11:08 am to JustGetItRight
We=General public, the major media, and persons not experts in military history.
Most people only hear of generals and do not discuss naval commanders.
Most people only hear of generals and do not discuss naval commanders.
Posted on 9/10/15 at 11:35 am to sms151t
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We=General public, the major media, and persons not experts in military history.
Most people only hear of generals and do not discuss naval commanders.
That's primarily because most of them couldn't tell you the date 9/11 happened even if they didn't have to name the year. I'd bet if you pulled a random 100 people off the street and asked them who were the following:
George Washington
US Grant
John Pershing
Dwight Eisenhower
Douglas MacArthur
Norman Schwarzkopf
You'd be lucky if 25% of them could tell you that three of them had been US presidents. I'd bet fewer than than 5 would know they'd been army generals much less theater commanders or higher in a major US war.
Now, with than in mind, when you consider that most of our wars have been overwhelmingly land engagements (PTO in WW2 the clear exception) it should come as no surprise that the few recognized names are those of land commanders.
Oh, and as to the original list, Rickover can't really be called a great military mind. He was a scientific visionary for sure but the man never held a combat command in wartime.
Posted on 9/10/15 at 11:41 am to sms151t
The one admiral that may have had more influence and played a bigger role in the US's military supremacy that never gets mentioned much is Alfred Thayer Mahan. His ideas shaped much of the naval and military doctrine of the 20th century.
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