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Posted on 2/25/16 at 2:54 pm to
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
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Posted on 2/25/16 at 2:54 pm to
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I still oppose most abortions, which as a nonbeliever always gets weird looks from both the religious crowd and atheists


As a Christian who is pro-life, I really wish the pro-life cause were disassociated from religious convictions. I mean, I oppose abortions because I think the idea itself is fricked up, not because I'm a Christian. Much the same way one doesn't have to be a believer or even religious to believe that murder or some other heinous crime is fricked up.

Idk, maybe I'm hoping for too much.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 2/25/16 at 3:00 pm to
I think religious belief goes a long toward making someone believe abortion is equivalent to the murder of a baby. I think the idea that it is an ugly, distasteful practice that civilized society shouldn't partake in can go beyond religious boundaries.

But, sadly, most Nonbelievers align themselves with the logically inconsistent beliefs of the far left.
Posted by Cooter Davenport
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Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 2/25/16 at 3:27 pm to
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As a Christian who is pro-life, I really wish the pro-life cause were disassociated from religious convictions. I mean, I oppose abortions because I think the idea itself is fricked up, not because I'm a Christian. Much the same way one doesn't have to be a believer or even religious to believe that murder or some other heinous crime is fricked up.


I don't think you are hoping for too much. A lot of people think this way. This is basically the way my wife, who is a non-believer, explains her viewpoint; almost verbatim. The left is basically a vehicle to escape from responsibility. Get pregnant? Kill it. Don't want to pay down your student loans? Get Bernie to forgive them. Get tossed in jail for robbing people? Blame your childhood. Can't ever get ahead in any way because you are lazy or like drugs too much? It's the evil rich holding you down.
This post was edited on 2/25/16 at 3:29 pm
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 2/25/16 at 3:50 pm to
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As a Christian who is pro-life, I really wish the pro-life cause were disassociated from religious convictions.


I really really wish the abortion debate was disassociated from politics. At this point Row v Wade is law of the land, and even if someone doesn't like the status quo the legal road that got us where we are hit the end of the rope because we have had a conservative leaning Supreme Court for decades and they won't touch it. That is the definition of a dead end, but the way people campaign against it denies that reality.

I mean there is still some of it that interacts with modern politics- like the abortion clinic restriction in Texas- but even the fate of those laws will be determined in courts and not statehouses. I feel like having it be a "political issue" makes too many people single issue voters that are disconnected from modern politics, which really doesn't further the national political discourse. It also creates a false litmus test for candidates on both sides when really it should have turned into a non-political personal belief decades ago.

I feel the same way about drug problems- they are a health issue and not a legal/political issue. I wish the billions we have dumped into the drug war would have been spent building a good security net for those with mental issues, which would include drug addicts. The tide is starting to turn on that but not for the right reasons- states just see a way to cover budget shortfalls. The best case scenario would be to tax places like pot shops to create mental health clinics, but a lot of people take a hard line approach to something they haven't dealt with personally.

A lot of politics are like that, which is why our system of government can be so dysfunctional sometimes.
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