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re: Early signing period rejected

Posted on 6/17/15 at 4:17 pm to
Posted by randomways
North Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 6/17/15 at 4:17 pm to
Can anyone tell me which blocs are for it and which are against it? Major programs? Smaller programs?
Posted by Bunta
Member since Oct 2007
12271 posts
Posted on 6/17/15 at 4:20 pm to
Tabled for a year, it wasn't voted on.
Posted by scrooster
Resident Ethicist
Member since Jul 2012
37838 posts
Posted on 6/17/15 at 4:21 pm to
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Why will it pass next year and not right now?


Read my previous post ... it'll happen, the details just havta get worked-out.
Posted by CCTider
Member since Dec 2014
24221 posts
Posted on 6/17/15 at 4:21 pm to
quote:

Mullen
quote:

diamonds


LOL, only on the rant

Posted by CajunTiger_225
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2015
9204 posts
Posted on 6/17/15 at 4:26 pm to
Yall really think we need this? CFB will never have an early signing period. I think it would be bad for the game, everything would get twice as shady as it already is. What would be the whole point?
Posted by RT1941
Member since May 2007
30284 posts
Posted on 6/17/15 at 4:32 pm to
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Yall really think we need this? CFB will never have an early signing period. I think it would be bad for the game, everything would get twice as shady as it already is. What would be the whole point?
What's Miles' opinion on it?

IMO - they should leave it like it is now. Too much liability with grade and injury issues. Also, if they moved it to mid-August some kids wouldn't have even taken their official visits by then.
Posted by Tds & Beer
TOT DAT MOFAN~DRIP DRIP~Bunty Pls
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 6/17/15 at 4:39 pm to
DAMNIT
Posted by randomways
North Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
12988 posts
Posted on 6/17/15 at 4:59 pm to
quote:

Yall really think we need this? CFB will never have an early signing period. I think it would be bad for the game, everything would get twice as shady as it already is. What would be the whole point?


Elaborate? I'm not seeing the potential for things getting twice as shady. Early signing in basketball hasn't resulted in that. In fact, with the ability to hold schools to their scholarship offers by letting kids sign early, it might actually clean up the general clusterfrick that the regular NSD sometimes gets caught up in.
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29179 posts
Posted on 6/17/15 at 5:03 pm to
Just eliminate National Signing Day all together. If you're ready to sign a letter of intent and the school wants to offer one, sign it. End of story.
Posted by RT1941
Member since May 2007
30284 posts
Posted on 6/17/15 at 5:06 pm to
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Elaborate? I'm not seeing the potential for things getting twice as shady. Early signing in basketball hasn't resulted in that. In fact, with the ability to hold schools to their scholarship offers by letting kids sign early, it might actually clean up the general clusterfrick that the regular NSD sometimes gets caught up in.


Basketball recruiting is shady as hell from it's inception, can't get much shadier than the AAU hurdles programs have to jump through to sign a player.
Posted by randomways
North Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
12988 posts
Posted on 6/17/15 at 5:07 pm to
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Just eliminate National Signing Day all together. If you're ready to sign a letter of intent and the school wants to offer one, sign it. End of story.


Are you crazy? This is how things are done. It's how things have always been done. Do you think Goliath signed with the Levant SuperPhilistines any damn time he pleased? No, he waited for the right day because that's just how it's supposed to be.
Posted by randomways
North Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
12988 posts
Posted on 6/17/15 at 5:08 pm to
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Basketball recruiting is shady as hell from it's inception, can't get much shadier than the AAU hurdles programs have to jump through to sign a player.


It's definitely shady. I'm just not seeing how the early signing period is in any way responsible for part of that.
Posted by JesusQuintana
St Louis
Member since Oct 2013
33366 posts
Posted on 6/17/15 at 5:09 pm to
quote:

Just eliminate National Signing Day all together. If you're ready to sign a letter of intent and the school wants to offer one, sign it. End of story.


This would be my suggestion as well.

Can sign at anytime after the end of their JR year up until the Feb during their SR year.

This would really curb a lot of the flipping and uncommittable offers.

Would have to be a few ways to break the NLI for both parties. Coaching changes, legal problems, injuries. Etc

This is the best system.
Posted by CajunTiger_225
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2015
9204 posts
Posted on 6/17/15 at 5:12 pm to
Miles is 'bout it bout it'
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Too much liability with grade and injury issues. Also, if they moved it to mid-August some kids wouldn't have even taken their official visits by then.

But pretty much all of this is why I'm opposed to it. The staff needs as much time as possible for evaluations and to know that these kids can do it physically and mentally and that they will be ready by the time the season comes around. I don't see this happening, like you said, too much liability.
This post was edited on 6/17/15 at 5:14 pm
Posted by JesusQuintana
St Louis
Member since Oct 2013
33366 posts
Posted on 6/17/15 at 5:14 pm to
If you aren't sure a kid can play, then you don't offer. If you want to take officials before you sign, then you don't sign.

It's all pretty simple.
Posted by CajunTiger_225
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2015
9204 posts
Posted on 6/17/15 at 5:18 pm to
quote:

Elaborate? I'm not seeing the potential for things getting twice as shady. Early signing in basketball hasn't resulted in that. In fact, with the ability to hold schools to their scholarship offers by letting kids sign early, it might actually clean up the general clusterfrick that the regular NSD sometimes gets caught up in.

I think football recruiting is a different demand then basketball. I can see coaches pushing kids to sign early to lock them in place, but most kids are going to want to weigh everything out, see places. Coaches aren't going to want that so deals would be put in place imo. Not saying that isn't already happening but I feel it would move to a bigger scale.
Also, isn't basketball already some of the dirtiest recruiting?
Posted by CajunTiger_225
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2015
9204 posts
Posted on 6/17/15 at 5:56 pm to
quote:

If you aren't sure a kid can play, then you don't offer. If you want to take officials before you sign, then you don't sign.
It's all pretty simple.

No, it is not near that simple.
Posted by JesusQuintana
St Louis
Member since Oct 2013
33366 posts
Posted on 6/17/15 at 6:03 pm to
Why not?
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46590 posts
Posted on 6/17/15 at 6:05 pm to
The timing of fall sports isn't very conducive to an early signing period.
Posted by phil4bama
Emerald Coast of PCB
Member since Jul 2011
11462 posts
Posted on 6/17/15 at 6:06 pm to
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So there's early signing periods for almost every other sport...but not one for football? What's the deal here?


Stupidity and fear.
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