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re: Coaching Changes Discussion - Chief locked up, what about rest?
Posted on 12/2/14 at 11:23 am to Projectpat
Posted on 12/2/14 at 11:23 am to Projectpat
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I'd rather have some other tangible (and intangible) qualities that drew coaches here.
Sure, I would love that too.....but we don't have them so we have to cover the gap with money.
I mean....are we really offering coaching stability? I know Sumlin has the big contract but he job is less secure than one of the best coaches in SEC history, or a guy who last year played in a title game. So there goes that tangible intangible.
USC has a recruiting dominance in their region and is the closest team to an almost untapped North Carolina and Virginia. Auburn has a recent national title (and a more recent national title trip) to sell. Oh and Boom has never publicly called out either of those cities as a place he doesn't like.
On this fight, all the intangibles outside of facilities are against us. So if we want Boom we have to make money the tangible reason to come.
I mean, I don't think Boom is a perfect slam dunk or the ONLY option. But if he goes to an Auburn, and they have more success than us going forward, it will really freaking hurt. It would be better if some non-SEC team got him, or even someone in the East like USC. I just hate we didn't steal MSU's coach way back when, him plus JFF would have been a BCS game at least.
Coaching hires are like asking out dates to the prom. You are going to experience rejection, but it hurts a lot more if one of your buds scores the date and the girl who rejected you is riding around in the limo yall rented all night.
This post was edited on 12/2/14 at 11:25 am
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Posted on 12/2/14 at 11:32 am to cardboardboxer
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but we don't have them so we have to cover the gap with money.
Well, agree to disagree on that point.
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I mean....are we really offering coaching stability? I know Sumlin has the big contract but he job is less secure than one of the best coaches in SEC history, or a guy who last year played in a title game.
Less secure probably, but Sumlin is nowhere close to being on the hot seat.
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USC has a recruiting dominance in their region and is the closest team to an almost untapped North Carolina and Virginia.
Recruiting is where we have the biggest advantage. We've been (and are currently) ranked higher than both Auburn and USC with more to come this year.
Overall everything has to be the right fit. A coach can succeed in one place and not another while being the same person, and it's the reason that a coach isn't always going to chase the biggest paycheck. We can't just throw money at any problems that come up is my point, and this knife always cuts both ways.
Posted on 12/2/14 at 11:40 am to cardboardboxer
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Oh and Boom has never publicly called out either of those cities as a place he doesn't like.
You realize KK coached for us two years ago right? That kind of shite makes no difference to a coach when they get offered millions of dollars.
Posted on 12/2/14 at 11:49 am to cardboardboxer
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On this fight, all the intangibles outside of facilities are against us
what? Look I know many here are melting but I'm perplexed anyone really thinks this.
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are we really offering coaching stability?
The only thing that will derail this staff is a bad DC hire. So unless you think you suck as a DC, then yes, it's about as stable a place as anywhere.
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USC has a recruiting dominance in their region and is the closest team to an almost untapped North Carolina and Virginia
SC has never recruited on the level we are right now. And NC and VA don't add up to Houston talent, much less DFW, LA or AZ. And if SC had an advantage in those states, why aren't Sweat or Deberry, the top two area talents in years, considering them at all? They recruit SC, GA, and FL and those areas are ALL heavily contested. They touch NC to a lesser extent but not at all VA.
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Auburn has a recent national title (and a more recent national title trip) to sell
yep. That's not really a sales job you know. I mean as an incoming coach, you don't get any credit for that and in fact, it may be a negative if you really think that through. This isn't a 17yo high school kid. It's a long-tenured coach that is looking out for his future.
If you are thoughtful about the situation, there's a lot more to be gained via quick success at A&M than Auburn. Take Auburn to the playoff and Malzahn brought them back. Take A&M to the playoff and you are the reason. Both are pretty good situations honestly as both have young talent. But this isn't some obvious flaw for us
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Oh and Boom has never publicly called out either of those cities as a place he doesn't like
man you are still going overboard with a good natured shot. Muschamp has been to BCS twice I believe and both times he was coaching. He probably never set foot outside the hotel. The idea that he even has a real opinion about BCS is amusing.
I'm not at all saying we'll get Muschamp but some of y'alls reasoning is nothing more than low self-esteem
Posted on 12/2/14 at 12:06 pm to cardboardboxer
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USC has a recruiting dominance in their region and is the closest team to an almost untapped North Carolina and Virginia.
Actually, Clemson typically has a slightly higher rated class than USC.
I get that there are some things working for Auburn, such as wife's preference, but if Muschamp really has ambitions of returning to the coaching ranks, is he really going to take an inferior career opportunity just for the sake of living in a familiar place for two years before leaving again? Because he's not going to get Malzahn's job anytime soon. If he really is thinking about looking to be a HC after a two-year stint as a DC, then his wife isn't going to be living in Auburn for very long.
If he thinks that A&M has better defensive talent on campus and coming in, then coupled w/ opportunity for a huuuge turnaround presented by our current dismal defensive ranking, a persuasive pitch can certainly be made.
That said, he isn't the only fish in the sea. Let's assume he's the best available, but he goes somewhere else. If we merely get a good DC, or even a DECENT DC, that will make an enormous difference. And with names like Venables, Narduzzi, Foster, even Randy Shannon floating around, we aren't SOL if Muschamp doesn't come to Aggieland.
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