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re: i think blake is our guy
Posted on 9/7/14 at 11:11 am to JCinBAMA
Posted on 9/7/14 at 11:11 am to JCinBAMA
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I think the playbook is thin with Blake but gets thicker with Coker, just a matter of time Coker will
take this team over.
Totally agree.
The mistake made by Sims on the goal line was inexcusable. You could see TJ mouthing something like "I don't know what the frick he was doing" concerning Sims running the wrong play. That shite will get you beat against a good team.
Yeah, Coker made some mistakes, but his upside is what great.
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Posted on 9/7/14 at 11:13 am to Bham4Tide
quote:What on earth. Y'all are being unfair to Sims, reading way too much into certain things that I don't think you would do with AJ. I'm also not comfortable with the assumption that Sims is stupid.
The mistake made by Sims on the goal line was inexcusable. You could see TJ mouthing something like "I don't know what the frick he was doing" concerning Sims running the wrong play. That shite will get you beat against a good team.
Posted on 9/7/14 at 11:17 am to chattabama
quote:the auburn and a&m defenses are not substantially better than west virginias.
But will that Sims return when facing a legit defense? I think it's safe to say that our first three games are against the worst defenses we will face this year outside of WCU especially with WVU not having one of their starting cornerbacks.
Posted on 9/7/14 at 11:35 am to Bham4Tide
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Totally agree.
The mistake made by Sims on the goal line was inexcusable. You could see TJ mouthing something like "I don't know what the frick he was doing" concerning Sims running the wrong play. That shite will get you beat against a good team.
Yeah, Coker made some mistakes, but his upside is what great.
Coker only made some mistake (small ones, huh?). While the one thing you can pin on Sims is the worst mistake ever.
I think it is absolutely hilarious you rip Sims for a communication mistake; something every QB has done.. even AJ. Stating that would get us beat...
Yet you completely ignore Coker's horrendous clock awareness and time management. If anything will get us beat, it is that and bad passing accuracy.
Posted on 9/7/14 at 12:01 pm to chattabama
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Did Saban announce that the quarterback competition is officially over? I must have missed that.
Why would he? Saban isn't an idiot. Look at how great Sims played yesterday and look at how much shite he's getting in this thread and how many excuses are made for Coker who was up-and-down with his play.
Saban does what he wants, but he knows how some of our fanbase is and how they think.... which is pretty sad.
This post was edited on 9/7/14 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 9/7/14 at 1:18 pm to YStar
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how many excuses are made for Coker who was up-and-down with his play.
Posted on 9/7/14 at 1:19 pm to YStar
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Yet you completely ignore Coker's horrendous clock awareness and time management.
No one should ignore it. Sims had the same fricking problem in his first game.
Why can't anyone be fricking fair to both guys?
Posted on 9/7/14 at 1:39 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
quote:In full 100% on-field fairness, there's no comparison. Sims has been far better. And it's like everyone except for a very few people can clearly see that. The only way to equate the two would be to be unfairly critical of Sims, and unfairly forgiving of Coker.
Why can't anyone be fricking fair to both guys?
Posted on 9/7/14 at 1:41 pm to genro
There are people being unfairly critical of both players, and unfairly forgiving of both players.
This whole thing.
This whole thing.
Posted on 9/7/14 at 2:44 pm to Bham4Tide
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The mistake made by Sims on the goal line was inexcusable.
But Coker taking a sack at the goal line wasn't? That could get you beat against a good team, too.
I'm not taking sides, by the way. Just pointing out the obvious hypocrisy.
This post was edited on 9/7/14 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 9/7/14 at 5:57 pm to RollTide1987
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But Coker taking a sack at the goal line wasn't? That could get you beat against a good team, too.
Apparently that doesn't matter. If that was Sims, they'd be pointing the finger to another reason why he should be replaced.
This theme where you have to be very easy on Coker while extremely hard on Sims is pathetic. Especially when the same host of people were bitching about Ware being hard on Coker (even when he complimented him on everything good he did).
Then they get made when other fanbases point out the black QB thing with Alabama. Forget race or style of QB, we had a QB have the best start to a career in like FOREVER and still people aren't happy.
We literally have some of the worst fans.
Posted on 9/7/14 at 6:00 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
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No one should ignore it. Sims had the same fricking problem in his first game.
Sims took a bad sack while letting the clock run out?
All I keep seeing is posters dumbing down everything Coker does or saying (well Sims did or would do it too!) while then saying Sims makes big mistakes.
Posted on 9/7/14 at 6:41 pm to YStar
I'm honestly surprised this is still being talked about after actually watching Coker play. He obviously has more physical ability than Blake Sims. Just as obviously, he isn't ready to be the starter. Sure we should continue to try to develop Coker, but Blake Sims is certainly the best option right now.
Posted on 9/7/14 at 7:29 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
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Sims had the same fricking problem in his first game.
When? Can you elaborate? Are you talking about letting the play clock run down a couple of times against WVA so we had to burn timeouts? Are you equating that with Coker taking a sack instead of throwing the ball away at the end of the half? Because that was exactly the same as a turnover on the goal line. Unless I missed something, Sims hasn't had a clock management issue that resulted in a turnover.
Posted on 9/7/14 at 7:46 pm to BamaGradinTn
Really, all you guys ought to be smart enough to figure this out. If Coker continues to develop, there will be some times in some games where it makes more sense to play him, and there will be other times it will make more sense to play Sims. Each has different strengths and weaknesses, and those strengths and weaknesses are going to be magnified by the strengths and weaknesses of different opponents in different ways. And then you have the very real possibility that either one of them may have a bad game and find himself being replaced by the other. Competition at the QB position? Seriously? There better be competition at every position every day.
For now, Sims just happens to be the starter, and Coker's gonna get his snaps too, and that's the way it is. And both are gonna play well. You want to be the starter? Or do you want to be the guy on the field in the 4th quarter? Lots of games it will be the same guy...sometimes maybe it won't be. But it will always be the guy who can put us in the best position to win.
If you think think that this team can't be successful with two guys each getting a meaningful share of snaps in big games, you need to go back and read a little of our own history. What was Bryant's only perfect season during his run of dominance in the seventies? 1979...the year we had the running QB returning as starter who had gotten significant playing time while backing up the passing QB in 1977 and 1978. And he had another guy backing him up in 1979 who also got plenty of playing time.
Get used to both of these guys getting their reps. I love watching both of them, and we can and will win with both of them.
For now, Sims just happens to be the starter, and Coker's gonna get his snaps too, and that's the way it is. And both are gonna play well. You want to be the starter? Or do you want to be the guy on the field in the 4th quarter? Lots of games it will be the same guy...sometimes maybe it won't be. But it will always be the guy who can put us in the best position to win.
If you think think that this team can't be successful with two guys each getting a meaningful share of snaps in big games, you need to go back and read a little of our own history. What was Bryant's only perfect season during his run of dominance in the seventies? 1979...the year we had the running QB returning as starter who had gotten significant playing time while backing up the passing QB in 1977 and 1978. And he had another guy backing him up in 1979 who also got plenty of playing time.
Get used to both of these guys getting their reps. I love watching both of them, and we can and will win with both of them.
Posted on 9/7/14 at 8:31 pm to BamaGradinTn
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Really, all you guys ought to be smart enough to figure this out. If Coker continues to develop, there will be some times in some games where it makes more sense to play him, and there will be other times it will make more sense to play Sims. Each has different strengths and weaknesses, and those strengths and weaknesses are going to be magnified by the strengths and weaknesses of different opponents in different ways. And then you have the very real possibility that either one of them may have a bad game and find himself being replaced by the other. Competition at the QB position? Seriously? There better be competition at every position every day.
Have an upvote my friend.
Posted on 9/7/14 at 8:47 pm to YStar
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Apparently that doesn't matter. If that was Sims, they'd be pointing the finger to another reason why he should be replaced.
This theme where you have to be very easy on Coker while extremely hard on Sims is pathetic. Especially when the same host of people were bitching about Ware being hard on Coker (even when he complimented him on everything good he did).
Haven't seen anyone say Coker should be the starter and I've ad much as said add of now Sims has to be the man but it's a much bigger difference for a 5th year senior to call a pass play and then try to hand the ball off than for Coker to have timing issues but Coker's timing issues at this time are horrendous. It's disturbing when the announcers are saying Sims can't communicate in the huddle with play calling.
Posted on 9/7/14 at 8:57 pm to labamafan
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It's disturbing when the announcers are saying Sims can't communicate in the huddle with play calling.
Dude, his numbers have been incredible. He's doing EXACTLY what's being asked of him. Yeah he's made a mistake or two. But that's a hell of a lot more consistent than ANY first year starter we've seen at Bama in AGES.
He also brings a running threat. We are fine, no, we are more than fine.
Chill the frick out.
Posted on 9/7/14 at 9:17 pm to YStar
TL; DR post on where I am coming from in the qb battle.
Are there two different levels of expectations relative to Coker and Sims? Absolutely.
For one, there is the Bama arrogance. The "our system should be the best for preparing our quarterbacks to be successful for our team" i.e. the Sims has been in the system the longest argument. We would expect, fairly or unfairly, that Sims would have a better handle on the Alabama qb position than Coker because he has been here longer. We might have changed offensive coordinators, but the underlying system is still Saban's, and Sims should have it mastered by now. Screwing up the calls in the huddle and depending on Kiffin to spoon feed the plays is frowned upon when Sims has been here for five years. I know Coker sat under one of the great qb gurus of the modern era, but he wasn't in our system with our coaches. Again, Bama arrogance. Roll Tide.
Another thing that leads to higher expectations of Sims is that this is his last remaining year of eligibility. There is no building for the future at the qb position with Sims. You start him because he can win games for Bama right now, even if it hurts preparation for the future. Look at the way that McCarron improved as a qb from 2011 to 2012. Astounding. I think some of us were a little more tolerant of his mistakes because we kept thinking long-term investment. Sims is a short-term solution. He either works well when facing our toughest opponents, or he should be benched in favor of the future. At another position, think of how quickly Fulton was pulled in the TAMU game for his play vs how long Cyrus was left in for similar level of play. Fulton was either going to help us then, or he was going to be benched in favor of someone who may play similarly, but taking his lumps would help us later. Similarly, it would help us more for next year if Coker won the job this year. Sims play has to offset the inherent value of investing in the future by showing that he can have us as a contender now. Sure, Coker could become a better qb sitting behind Sims, but there is no substitute for first team reps and starting games. Look at how long Coker sat under one of the great qb minds of this era. I would venture to guess he probably learned more about the qb position on Saturday than all of his time at FSU.
Lastly, the expectations for Sims are greater than his predecessors because we are expecting more from the offense than ever before. Sure, defense wins championships, but it isn't like the offense can take the back seat anymore. The 2011 defense isn't lining up on Saturday. In 2011, there were two other teams in tSEC, LSU and Arkansas, that ranked in the top 25 in FEI, which measures offensive efficiency. In 2013 there were seven offenses in the tSEC that were ranked in the top 25. Four of the SECW teams were in the top ten in FEI, TAMU, LSU, Auburn, and Bama. LINK Greg McElroy under center would not win a title in 2014.
TL; DR there are reasons behind the higher expectations for Sims.
Are there two different levels of expectations relative to Coker and Sims? Absolutely.
For one, there is the Bama arrogance. The "our system should be the best for preparing our quarterbacks to be successful for our team" i.e. the Sims has been in the system the longest argument. We would expect, fairly or unfairly, that Sims would have a better handle on the Alabama qb position than Coker because he has been here longer. We might have changed offensive coordinators, but the underlying system is still Saban's, and Sims should have it mastered by now. Screwing up the calls in the huddle and depending on Kiffin to spoon feed the plays is frowned upon when Sims has been here for five years. I know Coker sat under one of the great qb gurus of the modern era, but he wasn't in our system with our coaches. Again, Bama arrogance. Roll Tide.
Another thing that leads to higher expectations of Sims is that this is his last remaining year of eligibility. There is no building for the future at the qb position with Sims. You start him because he can win games for Bama right now, even if it hurts preparation for the future. Look at the way that McCarron improved as a qb from 2011 to 2012. Astounding. I think some of us were a little more tolerant of his mistakes because we kept thinking long-term investment. Sims is a short-term solution. He either works well when facing our toughest opponents, or he should be benched in favor of the future. At another position, think of how quickly Fulton was pulled in the TAMU game for his play vs how long Cyrus was left in for similar level of play. Fulton was either going to help us then, or he was going to be benched in favor of someone who may play similarly, but taking his lumps would help us later. Similarly, it would help us more for next year if Coker won the job this year. Sims play has to offset the inherent value of investing in the future by showing that he can have us as a contender now. Sure, Coker could become a better qb sitting behind Sims, but there is no substitute for first team reps and starting games. Look at how long Coker sat under one of the great qb minds of this era. I would venture to guess he probably learned more about the qb position on Saturday than all of his time at FSU.
Lastly, the expectations for Sims are greater than his predecessors because we are expecting more from the offense than ever before. Sure, defense wins championships, but it isn't like the offense can take the back seat anymore. The 2011 defense isn't lining up on Saturday. In 2011, there were two other teams in tSEC, LSU and Arkansas, that ranked in the top 25 in FEI, which measures offensive efficiency. In 2013 there were seven offenses in the tSEC that were ranked in the top 25. Four of the SECW teams were in the top ten in FEI, TAMU, LSU, Auburn, and Bama. LINK Greg McElroy under center would not win a title in 2014.
TL; DR there are reasons behind the higher expectations for Sims.
Posted on 9/7/14 at 9:21 pm to DrGarth
I have yet to post anywhere about the QB situation but here goes:
Blake - has done a phenomenal job so far with what they are asking him to do. He is definitely a leader on this team and teammates look to him for leadership. Great all around guy who has put in the work and puts the team first (as evident of him running out and congratulating Coker). My concerns are can he push the ball down the field. Some believe he can and some believe he can't. But honestly have we ever seen him push the ball down the field? The non believers are not going to believe it until they see it. I read a lot of comments that he makes good decisions. I don't know if I have seen him make any decisions. They basically pulled the huddle from him to take that part of the game away from him because it helped him play better because it takes one less thing away that he has to do ( less to screw up). He gets one play call from the sideline with basically no checks(again no decision making). Locks on primary target and delivers the ball but does a great job of getting the ball to the person the play was called for. Still no decision making. Sims also can make playa with his feet and did a good job in WV game keeping his eyes down the field once he scrambled out if pocket. With the playmakers Bama has we can compete for the win in every game. Tougher defenses may take a lot of the short throws away and that is when we will see if Blake can get the job done with down field throws. But as if right now he is the one more comfortable on the field.
Coker - all the physical tools in the world. We finally got to see him action. Was very rusty and came in with more hype than any Bama QB ever. I don't know if anyone could live up to those expectations. He can push the ball down the field and he can throw the 15-25 yard routes anywhere in the field. I likes seeing him move the chains a couple times in third and long with comebacks and crossing routes in middle of the field. He definitely got better as the game went along. Saban has said the thing he needs the most is confidence. The only way he is going to gain confidence is to play. The play book definitely changed when he came into the game. He does have more work to do mentally to gain the trust of the staff to be in the game when the game is on the line.
I feel the coaching staff believes he will give them the best chance to win if he can continually progress. If not they would be working Blake every rep to prepare him. If Coker hasn't progressed enough to take complete control of the position by Florida we will then start seeing the zone reads with Blake which is another dimension of his game we haven't seen this year. Even if the play is predetermined for sims to keep or give which is a lot of how the barn used Marshall last year.
With all that said I believe Coker will give Bama the best chance at a title if he continues to develop. Not to say that Sima can't so it but I definitely feel the odds are better IF Coker continually develops. Now I'm not rooting against Blake at all. I root like hell for him when he is out there and root like hell for Coker when he is out there too. So all the racist bullshite that is directed at posters who say they want Coker to win the job is absurd. True Bama fans just want to win whoever is on the field. True Bama fans also love Blake Sims for everything he is and everything he has done for Bama.
TLDR I know I probably wouldn't read it all either. Just my 2 cents and since it is the first and probably only time I post on the subject had to get it all in. Haha RTR!!!
Blake - has done a phenomenal job so far with what they are asking him to do. He is definitely a leader on this team and teammates look to him for leadership. Great all around guy who has put in the work and puts the team first (as evident of him running out and congratulating Coker). My concerns are can he push the ball down the field. Some believe he can and some believe he can't. But honestly have we ever seen him push the ball down the field? The non believers are not going to believe it until they see it. I read a lot of comments that he makes good decisions. I don't know if I have seen him make any decisions. They basically pulled the huddle from him to take that part of the game away from him because it helped him play better because it takes one less thing away that he has to do ( less to screw up). He gets one play call from the sideline with basically no checks(again no decision making). Locks on primary target and delivers the ball but does a great job of getting the ball to the person the play was called for. Still no decision making. Sims also can make playa with his feet and did a good job in WV game keeping his eyes down the field once he scrambled out if pocket. With the playmakers Bama has we can compete for the win in every game. Tougher defenses may take a lot of the short throws away and that is when we will see if Blake can get the job done with down field throws. But as if right now he is the one more comfortable on the field.
Coker - all the physical tools in the world. We finally got to see him action. Was very rusty and came in with more hype than any Bama QB ever. I don't know if anyone could live up to those expectations. He can push the ball down the field and he can throw the 15-25 yard routes anywhere in the field. I likes seeing him move the chains a couple times in third and long with comebacks and crossing routes in middle of the field. He definitely got better as the game went along. Saban has said the thing he needs the most is confidence. The only way he is going to gain confidence is to play. The play book definitely changed when he came into the game. He does have more work to do mentally to gain the trust of the staff to be in the game when the game is on the line.
I feel the coaching staff believes he will give them the best chance to win if he can continually progress. If not they would be working Blake every rep to prepare him. If Coker hasn't progressed enough to take complete control of the position by Florida we will then start seeing the zone reads with Blake which is another dimension of his game we haven't seen this year. Even if the play is predetermined for sims to keep or give which is a lot of how the barn used Marshall last year.
With all that said I believe Coker will give Bama the best chance at a title if he continues to develop. Not to say that Sima can't so it but I definitely feel the odds are better IF Coker continually develops. Now I'm not rooting against Blake at all. I root like hell for him when he is out there and root like hell for Coker when he is out there too. So all the racist bullshite that is directed at posters who say they want Coker to win the job is absurd. True Bama fans just want to win whoever is on the field. True Bama fans also love Blake Sims for everything he is and everything he has done for Bama.
TLDR I know I probably wouldn't read it all either. Just my 2 cents and since it is the first and probably only time I post on the subject had to get it all in. Haha RTR!!!
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