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The VA Scandal
Posted on 5/16/14 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 5/16/14 at 1:32 pm
It is serious. Heads should roll over it.
But just keep in the back of your mind as you watch Republican Senators grandstand on it and feign outrage, they had the opportunity back in February to give a commitment to VA benefits and chose not to over petty election year politics. Obviously it wouldn't have had any impact on what occurred at the VA, but just something to keep in mind when they strut around demanding something be done.
Huffpost link, OMG
But just keep in the back of your mind as you watch Republican Senators grandstand on it and feign outrage, they had the opportunity back in February to give a commitment to VA benefits and chose not to over petty election year politics. Obviously it wouldn't have had any impact on what occurred at the VA, but just something to keep in mind when they strut around demanding something be done.
Huffpost link, OMG
Posted on 5/16/14 at 1:37 pm to The Spleen
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But just keep in the back of your mind as you watch Republican Senators grandstand on it and feign outrage, they had the opportunity back in February to give a commitment to VA benefits and chose not to over petty election year politics
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Obviously it wouldn't have had any impact on what occurred at the VA,
So then why take a shot a Republicans now?
Posted on 5/16/14 at 1:41 pm to The Spleen
Why not hold the President's appointee and his staff responsible? And the President himself?
Blumenthal asks why Shinseki hasn't notified FBI of poss. criminal activity by VA records falsifiers. Shinseki hems & haws.
"I don't know what data is being assembled" for VA review.
Shinseki sez 3,000 VA workers "involuntary removed" for misconduct...but some reassigned or retired.
VA undersecretary Petzel hesitates & says "he doesn't know if it would be appropriate" to remove employees who falsify data.
When Shinseki says Deputy Chief of Staff Nabors & family are longtime friends, I wonder where the impartiality lays?
Shinseki "not aware" of book-cooking, "can't remember" getting fall 2013 OSC/OMC reports on VA ghost clinics, double-booking schemes.
eta- notice the problems, deaths and secret lists, PREDATE what you linked?
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VA medical centers defied some agency policies on supplying opiates to veterans in 2012, including simultaneously prescribing thousands of ex-troops with narcotic painkillers and psychoactive drugs -– a combination that’s been linked to lethal overdoses, a new audit shows
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Among the VA’s “take-home opioid patients,” 7,426 died in fiscal year 2012
Blumenthal asks why Shinseki hasn't notified FBI of poss. criminal activity by VA records falsifiers. Shinseki hems & haws.
"I don't know what data is being assembled" for VA review.
Shinseki sez 3,000 VA workers "involuntary removed" for misconduct...but some reassigned or retired.
VA undersecretary Petzel hesitates & says "he doesn't know if it would be appropriate" to remove employees who falsify data.
When Shinseki says Deputy Chief of Staff Nabors & family are longtime friends, I wonder where the impartiality lays?
Shinseki "not aware" of book-cooking, "can't remember" getting fall 2013 OSC/OMC reports on VA ghost clinics, double-booking schemes.
eta- notice the problems, deaths and secret lists, PREDATE what you linked?
This post was edited on 5/16/14 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 5/16/14 at 1:45 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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So then why take a shot a Republicans now?
Because they're going to make the rounds on Fox News and CNN and any other TV show that will put them on the air and express outrage that something like this could happen. They're going to act like they care deeply for our veterans. In essence, they're going to keep talking the talk, but when they had a chance to walk the walk back in February, they put petty politics over it.
Posted on 5/16/14 at 1:47 pm to The Spleen
And in your mind, that excuses the deaths and actions and should shut them up. Forget, once again, finding the truth and holding those responsible for those deaths.
For someone that likes to label others for their "right" sidedness and lack of "objectivity", you have a really huge propensity to inject political positioning into your arguments at times.
For someone that likes to label others for their "right" sidedness and lack of "objectivity", you have a really huge propensity to inject political positioning into your arguments at times.
Posted on 5/16/14 at 1:48 pm to Vols&Shaft83
I only fault them for over out raging over everything. This is a time for proper outrage but their outrage capital is wasted.
That being said, if Ted Cruz, Bachmann and Palin lead the lynch mod we should follow them.
That being said, if Ted Cruz, Bachmann and Palin lead the lynch mod we should follow them.
Posted on 5/16/14 at 1:48 pm to Alahunter
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Why not hold the President's appointee and his staff responsible? And the President himself?
I hold anyone and everyone that is responsible accountable.
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notice the problems, deaths and secret lists, PREDATE what you linked?
Of course it does, and that's the point. The problems in the VA have been festering for quote some time. The bill in the Senate in February aimed to address some of those issues, but the Republicans(save for 2 of them in the Senate) decided election year politics was more important.
This isn't about not holding anyone accountable. This is about not falling for the BS the Republicans are about to roll out in the coming weeks on your TV.
Posted on 5/16/14 at 1:49 pm to The Spleen
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They're going to act like they care deeply for our veterans.
If you're not fishing, you should be
Posted on 5/16/14 at 1:59 pm to Alahunter
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And in your mind, that excuses the deaths and actions and should shut them up. Forget, once again, finding the truth and holding those responsible for those deaths.
Of course not. What occurred is an absolute disgrace and is something that should never happen here. It's one of the few things that has gotten my blood boiling over the past few years. I'm all for them beating the drum to get to the bottom of it, but excuse me if I find their grandstanding on it a bit disingenuous.
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For someone that likes to label others for their "right" sidedness and lack of "objectivity", you have a really huge propensity to inject political positioning into your arguments at times.
I am absolutely injecting politics into it, no argument. It's disgraceful that one party, the same party that still so vehemently defends us going into war, put politics over funding for taking care of those men and women they sent into that war. I'm not saying they're going to be wrong to be outraged. I'm saying to keep in mind when they express their outrage they had the chance to help the situation, but didn't.
Posted on 5/16/14 at 2:00 pm to The Spleen
It shouldn't be a surprise. The government, by definition, cannot efficiently allocate resources,
Posted on 5/16/14 at 2:02 pm to Alahunter
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you have a really huge propensity to inject political positioning into your arguments at times.
Hey pot, you're black!
Posted on 5/16/14 at 2:13 pm to The Spleen
Everything is tied to pork or earmarks these days and they shot down line item vetoing some years back which would have prevented this and many other needed measures from going through.
Politicians pander to special interest money and little else.
Politicians pander to special interest money and little else.
Posted on 5/16/14 at 2:29 pm to The Spleen
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This isn't about not holding anyone accountable. This is about not falling for the BS the Republicans are about to roll out in the coming weeks on your TV.
So let me get this straight. The BS that Harry Reid rolls out EVERY frickING DAY is ok, even though NONE of it is based in reality and is 100% pandering, but the Republican BS that is based in reality, which is justifiable outrage, but HASN'T EVEN HAPPENED YET, is not ok?
Got it Any respect I had for you being an objective poster, putting morals ahead of party is now gone. Good job.
This post was edited on 5/16/14 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 5/16/14 at 2:32 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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Any respect I had for you being an objective poster, putting morals ahead of party is now gone. Good job.
Im sure he's heartbroken
Posted on 5/16/14 at 2:32 pm to Vols&Shaft83
He's just mentally preparing himself to being forced to agree with Republicans for a while. Let him process it out.
Posted on 5/16/14 at 2:33 pm to TreyAnastasio
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Im sure he's heartbroken
Wouldn't you be?
Posted on 5/16/14 at 2:35 pm to The Spleen
This is one reason we need a complete change in Washington. So much corruption, and wasteful spending. We lavish billions on illegals and our own veterans suffer.
Posted on 5/16/14 at 2:38 pm to kywildcatfanone
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We lavish billions on illegals and our own veterans suffer.
But in a good way.
I know it doesn't make sense. But whenever I want to feel better about something, I just add "but in a good way" to the end. It really works.
Posted on 5/16/14 at 2:39 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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Republicans
To be fair, they aren't any different than democrats in DC
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