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re: Who wins the SC v. UGA game and why?

Posted on 9/5/13 at 3:03 pm to
Posted by atlgamecockman
Washington, DC
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 9/5/13 at 3:03 pm to
OL has slowly gotten better and better. We have pretty quality depth.

Don't know if any of y'all saw the graphic on TV during the UNC game but our OL averages 322, with the left side being on the plus side of that.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58984 posts
Posted on 9/5/13 at 3:05 pm to
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Don't know if any of y'all saw the graphic on TV during the UNC game but our OL averages 322, with the left side being on the plus side of that.



Actually I DID see where you outwieghed NC Line by 50 LBS average. now, if I were you, THAT would concern me more than anything. your OL did NOT dominate their DLine. BUT...I also think you could have run the ball down their throats, but Spurrier held off. He didn't want to show us too much and felt you could beat them without wearing them down. That was my thinking, anyway.
Posted by MenloDawg
Member since Jan 2010
6719 posts
Posted on 9/5/13 at 3:06 pm to
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shite. I saw the game and didn't come away impressed with South Carolina on either side of the ball.


I thought defensively they were even more impressive than I assumed they would be and that was with Clowney's "B" game.

On offense, I thought Shaw looked good, but I wasn't impressed with their ability to run block and thought it was the weakest part of their entire team. Davis and Wilds were forced to just absolutely fight for 2, 3, and 4 yard gains at time (which they did and it was impressive).

No idea how to feel about Thompson on the road. He could come in and immediately throw a pick or he could lead a TD drive.
Posted by RoyalAir
Detroit
Member since Dec 2012
5916 posts
Posted on 9/5/13 at 3:06 pm to
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You might want to revisit the Box Score of the LSU game. I watched it, and I know that LSU outplayed you. There is a general formula for winning in the SEC.
A. You've got to be able to slow down the run.
B. You've got to be able to run the ball effectively.
South Carolina averaged 1.4 yards per rush versus LSU on 25 attempts. South Carolina only had 211 yards compared to LSU's 406. South Carolina made the final score of the game with less than 2 minutes to go to make the score 23-21 instead of 23-14. Texas A&M, Alabama, and Clemson all scored on late drives versus LSU too. It was a problem LSU had, but it doesn't take away from their dominance of South Carolina, Texas A&M, and (to an extent) Alabama.


Don't be All Knowing Football Grandfather Guy. No one likes that guy.

All of those stats are great, but the only one that mattered was the score. 23-21. USC lost. They had the lead at halftime and had a chance to come away with the win. They didn't do it. End of story. The pissed away a ticket to Atlanta with that game and the debacle in Gainesville. Regardless of the TOP or who had the lead the longest or anything else, if a team has the chance to win in the closing seconds, they weren't dominated. Case in Point: no one remembers how LSU led the entire game against Clemson last year. All anyone remembers is that CU kept it close enough to win it in the end, and did exactly that. There aren't any brownie points for outplaying a team, but letting the score stay close.

Second, I didn't play. No one on this board did.
Posted by atlgamecockman
Washington, DC
Member since Dec 2012
3822 posts
Posted on 9/5/13 at 3:07 pm to
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Davis and Wilds were forced to just absolutely fight for 2, 3, and 4 yard gains at time


They're good at that. And Wilds is heavy too, about 220 or so. Also he ran a 4.5 preseason I think?
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but I wasn't impressed with their ability to run block


Read the post above yours
Posted by geauxranger54
Hoover, Alabama
Member since Feb 2012
1158 posts
Posted on 9/5/13 at 3:08 pm to
Im taking Cocks all day on this one
Posted by RoyalAir
Detroit
Member since Dec 2012
5916 posts
Posted on 9/5/13 at 3:10 pm to
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Actually I DID see where you outwieghed NC Line by 50 LBS average. now, if I were you, THAT would concern me more than anything. your OL did NOT dominate their DLine. BUT...I also think you could have run the ball down their throats, but Spurrier held off. He didn't want to show us too much and felt you could beat them without wearing them down. That was my thinking, anyway.


Agree with this. The OL isn't as good as it should be, given its size and depth. They don't perform particularly well as a cohesive unit. It should have dominated UNC's D-line, especially considering that UNC's old d-line coach is now at USC and knew all the weaknesses on that side of the ball.

I do think that once the lead was 17 points, Spurrier just wanted to get the guys off the field and pocket the W without showing too much or getting anyone hurt. When it comes to blowing a team out of the water, he really doesn't do that much anymore. Yeah, he's had opportunities, but he's much more likely just to sit on a lead and let the clock dry up.
Posted by Gardevoir
Member since Jun 2013
1880 posts
Posted on 9/5/13 at 3:11 pm to
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Not sure I disagree or agree with you on this one. You can make the point that we didn't earn it because SouCar beat us. but we DID beat Florida. Something SouCar could not do. I would argue that our game with SC was a fluke. They jumped on us and we could never get anything going. I seriously doubt if they were THAT much better than us last season. I mean, isn't that the argument they make in THEIR game with Florida? It was a fluke?

Did we have a MUCH easier schedule last year. No doubt. but we won the games we had to win and they LOST the games they had to win.

You're right. I'm not going to bitch or whine about schedules, but I can acknowledge that they've helped Georgia more the past two seasons than they've helped Alabama. Good LSU teams are nearly unbeatable at home. Could Georgia come off the 35-7 loss and beat LSU in Death Valley last season? Yes, they would have had a chance, but I think it would have been slim. For starters, your rushing defense was an embarrassment (77th in the country). Running the ball was LSU's strength. LSU's defense showed flashes of greatness last year, and I think they could have produced a turnover or two against Georgia. I'll repeat: Death Valley is one of the toughest environments to win in. Last but not least, there's Murray-lead teams' record versus Top 15 opponents.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58984 posts
Posted on 9/5/13 at 3:13 pm to
It's considered heresy for me to say this, but I've never been one to hate Spurrier as so many Georgia fans do. I've actually heard some pretty good stories about him that paint him to be personable. Never met him, though, so take that with a grain of salt!
Posted by MenloDawg
Member since Jan 2010
6719 posts
Posted on 9/5/13 at 3:14 pm to
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Read the post above yours


I don't think their inability to run block as effectively as I thought they would in the first half has anything at all to do with Spurrier not wanting to tip his hand. They may show up and maul us at our house, but not based on what they did at home against UNC.
Posted by cecolacock
Columbia, SC
Member since Nov 2012
19 posts
Posted on 9/5/13 at 3:17 pm to
Thompson did go on the road at Clemson last year and came out with a win.
Posted by Gardevoir
Member since Jun 2013
1880 posts
Posted on 9/5/13 at 3:17 pm to
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Don't be All Knowing Football Grandfather Guy. No one likes that guy.

I'm not that type. I don't look for things to correct, but if I have a good recollection of something or know my research, then I'll occasionally make that known.

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All of those stats are great, but the only one that mattered was the score. 23-21. USC lost. They had the lead at halftime and had a chance to come away with the win. They didn't do it. End of story. The pissed away a ticket to Atlanta with that game and the debacle in Gainesville. Regardless of the TOP or who had the lead the longest or anything else, if a team has the chance to win in the closing seconds, they weren't dominated. Case in Point: no one remembers how LSU led the entire game against Clemson last year. All anyone remembers is that CU kept it close enough to win it in the end, and did exactly that. There aren't any brownie points for outplaying a team, but letting the score stay close.

Second, I didn't play. No one on this board did.


Excellent points, though I think the Florida game is more upsetting than the LSU game. In 2011, you should have beaten Auburn. In 2012, you should have taken care of business versus Florida, but rumor has it that the team was sick. Also, I'm one of those people who switches between making personal connections to the team and speaking in a removed sense if you get what I mean. I know that we aren't a part of the team, but I still use the "I", "we", etc. and sometimes I'll use third person instead.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58984 posts
Posted on 9/5/13 at 3:20 pm to
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For starters, your rushing defense was an embarrassment (77th in the country). Running the ball was LSU's strength. LSU's defense showed flashes of greatness last year, and I think they could have produced a turnover or two against Georgia. I'll repeat: Death Valley is one of the toughest environments to win in.



Oh. I am very familiar with tiger Stadium i grew up a LSU fan. A BIG fan. I'd like to think we could have beaten LSU last season...but it was not one of their better years, and it would only be speculation. Unfortunately the NCAA refuses to award Georgia wins based on the way I feel. Can't understand why.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58984 posts
Posted on 9/5/13 at 3:21 pm to
Hey Menlo....I used to live in Summerville. How old are you? I'm wondering if I know you!
Posted by jefffan
Florence- Sumter- Columbia, SC
Member since Sep 2013
4971 posts
Posted on 9/5/13 at 3:22 pm to
34-27 USC. UGA misses the game winning FG.

Why? Georgia's defense and OL looked terrible last week. Now the OL should better because it's a home game. But the defense looked lost at times against Spurrier I doubt they'll be able to get enough stops to get Murray and Gurley the ball back with field position.

Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58984 posts
Posted on 9/5/13 at 3:23 pm to
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But the defense looked lost at times against Spurrier


No doubt Spurrier is an offensive genius. AND, missing a field goal is entirely possible. Our kicker is out again this week!
Posted by RoyalAir
Detroit
Member since Dec 2012
5916 posts
Posted on 9/5/13 at 3:32 pm to
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I'm not that type. I don't look for things to correct, but if I have a good recollection of something or know my research, then I'll occasionally make that known.

Ah, OK, cool. Misread the tone, then. I'm just used to getting rustled by that Screwtape guy on the Rivals board.

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Excellent points, though I think the Florida game is more upsetting than the LSU game. In 2011, you should have beaten Auburn. In 2012, you should have taken care of business versus Florida, but rumor has it that the team was sick. Also, I'm one of those people who switches between making personal connections to the team and speaking in a removed sense if you get what I mean. I know that we aren't a part of the team, but I still use the "I", "we", etc. and sometimes I'll use third person instead.


The 2011 Auburn loss was what did that team in. And that loss was 100% on Spurrier. He left Garcia in there for the entire game when it was clear that SG was way too hammered to figure out which team was his. SOS has to live with the fact that, not only is he the only coach to ever lose to Cam Newton twice, but that he is also 0-3 to Cheezdik.

The 2012 UF loss was a perfect storm, much like what UGA has said about their 2012 loss to USC. Hyped-up crowd, Gameday, Muschamp having a weird fetish against SOS, etc. USC may have been the better team that year, but they weren't winning that day. I would've liked to have seen a rematch, but that seems to only work for Bama.

As to the UGA fan's comments about Spurrier being an offensive genius, I think that used to be true. The post-2009 offensive success that USC has had have more to do with Shawn Elliott's run game and blocking schemes than with Spurrier, IMO. Not to say that Spurrier isn't still a fine gameday coach and motivator, just that the backbone of the offense USC now runs was brought in by someone else.
This post was edited on 9/5/13 at 3:33 pm
Posted by jefffan
Florence- Sumter- Columbia, SC
Member since Sep 2013
4971 posts
Posted on 9/5/13 at 3:56 pm to
If UGA can get a solid 4 yards per run, that'll get them a chance to keep the defense off the field and play TOP/ Play Action.

I don't know if A. Bobo is willing to run the ball and B. IF UGA will block well enough against USC's DL.

Gonna be a good, close game though.
Posted by MenloDawg
Member since Jan 2010
6719 posts
Posted on 9/5/13 at 4:25 pm to
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Posted by Gardevoir
Member since Jun 2013
1880 posts
Posted on 9/5/13 at 4:27 pm to
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If UGA can get a solid 4 yards per run, that'll get them a chance to keep the defense off the field and play TOP/ Play Action.

I don't know if A. Bobo is willing to run the ball and B. IF UGA will block well enough against USC's DL.

Gonna be a good, close game though.

This thread has quieted down some so let's reconsider which side of the team has really cost them the big games these past few years.

I'll list the sides.
1. Coaching
2. Offense
3. Defense
4. Special Teams
*5. Execution/Practice

People will point to problems in all 4, and it's true that Georgia has areas to improve in all 4, but no team is perfect in all 4. I just added number 5 though it relates to the previous 4.

To be honest, Georgia could use an overhaul on the defensive coaching staff. With the defensive talent and big names that Georgia draws and has had, they should field the SEC's best defense every now and then, but they haven't. HTF does a team with as much talent as they had last year come in 12th in the SEC against the run behind the likes of Arkansas, Ole Miss, Vanderbilt and Missouri? The only teams they had a better rushing defense ranking than were Tennessee and Auburn.
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